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Old 08-18-2005, 01:31 PM   #1
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so i'm driving back to NC last night and we stop off for dinner. as i'm coming up the exit ramp i press the clutch in and the little oil like came on and then went off. about 5mins later it does it again. after eating i check the oil level. pull the dipstick out, wipe it down, dip it in, pull it out.....nothing. didn't believe my eyes so i repeat the process, again, nothing. head over to Wally World be4 getting on the road again and i pick up 2 quarts b/c i just can't believe there is NO oil. i pour in a 1.5 and recheck to avoid over filling...nothing. poured in the rest of the 2nd quart and checked and FINALY got something just above 'L'.

i'm pretty good at checking for major leaks under the car, but i haven't seen any. are there any secret spots on the EJ25 that can leak 5 qts of oil?!?!?! i'm a little stumped, confused, and mistified.....

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Old 08-18-2005, 01:40 PM   #2
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With the price of oil these days, you got to watch out for the oil thieves.

That should be about 3 quarts low but thats still a lot. No obvious leaks eh?

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Old 08-18-2005, 02:36 PM   #3
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With the price of oil these days, you got to watch out for the oil thieves.

That should be about 3 quarts low but thats still a lot. No obvious leaks eh?

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no puddles, no smoke, no smells. i'm gonna check it again today be4 i leave work to make sure it wasn't some type of "freak deal". also may try to newspaper trick over the wknd just to be sure if it still comes out low after i check today.

damn those oil thieves!

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Old 08-18-2005, 03:45 PM   #4
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Kenda: I'm holding your oil hostage. Please forward $1,000,000 to my swiss bank account. Otherwise, I will be cutting off your oil's fingers one by one and mailing them back to you, rendering it totally useless.

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Old 08-18-2005, 03:49 PM   #5
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Does your car smoke? Maybe your valve seals or rings are going south and you're burning the oil.

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Old 08-18-2005, 03:51 PM   #6
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On another note, anyone ever have a oil-like substance come out of the boot/wires for the spark plugs?
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Old 08-18-2005, 04:20 PM   #7
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Kenda: I'm holding your oil hostage. Please forward $1,000,000 to my swiss bank account. Otherwise, I will be cutting off your oil's fingers one by one and mailing them back to you, rendering it totally useless.

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again...damn you oil thieves!!!

JD, there is no smoke.

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Old 08-18-2005, 08:13 PM   #8
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On another note, anyone ever have a oil-like substance come out of the boot/wires for the spark plugs?
That might be the spark plug galley gaskets leaking.

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Old 08-18-2005, 08:18 PM   #9
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That might be the spark plug galley gaskets leaking.

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any more info on this? cost of fixing? difficulty? etc?

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Old 08-18-2005, 09:02 PM   #10
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If its not leaking on the ground, and its not leaving a dense grey fog out the tail pipe, dare I ask about the condition of your coolant ?

I hate to suggest it, but a milky coloured yucky gloop substance in your coolant may be indicative of a failing or failed cylinder head gasket.
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Old 08-18-2005, 09:32 PM   #11
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If its not leaking on the ground, and its not leaving a dense grey fog out the tail pipe, dare I ask about the condition of your coolant ?

I hate to suggest it, but a milky coloured yucky gloop substance in your coolant may be indicative of a failing or failed cylinder head gasket.
will look into that in the morning. all i can say is DEAR GOD PLEASE NO!!!! or maybe i'm not paranois enough to go check it out now!!

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Old 08-19-2005, 12:04 AM   #12
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At first I was like 'Hah someone stole the oil' Then jonathan comes in and speaks horror. Changed the mood of this thread. 'This was, well, interesting' to 'Is my coolant supposed to be black?' or 'Wrx swap anyone?'

Good luck there Kenda.
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Old 08-19-2005, 12:22 AM   #13
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any more info on this? cost of fixing? difficulty? etc?

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I may have spoken too soon. Its not showing any o-rings or gaskets on the blowup. I dont know how that joint is sealed(valve cover to spark plug galleys.) I was operating off exeprience with my Toyota and assuming their had to be something sealing that joint.

Here's the blowup:



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Old 08-19-2005, 01:42 AM   #14
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... i just can't believe there is NO oil. i pour in a 1.5 and recheck to avoid over filling...nothing. poured in the rest of the 2nd quart and checked and FINALY got something just above 'L'.
Keep in mind the bottom of the dipstick is not the bottom of the oil pan, so you certainly weren't missing 5qts of oil (unless you habitually put way too much oil in the engine). If you're 1.5 - 2qts low the oil will be off the stick. My car uses oil purty good, never leaves any puddles/drips anywhere, I don't see any blue exhaust smoke, and my coolant's fine, but I'll use a quart probably every 1000-1500mi.

The first time I ever found it 2 quarts down was during a long cross-country drive, all highway. I guess it's easy to forget that although one may have checked the oil just a couple days ago, if one is putting 600-800mi on the car every day it adds up quick!

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Old 08-19-2005, 03:19 AM   #15
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I may have spoken too soon. Its not showing any o-rings or gaskets on the blowup. I dont know how that joint is sealed(valve cover to spark plug galleys.) I was operating off exeprience with my Toyota and assuming their had to be something sealing that joint.

Here's the blowup:

[IG]https://www.parts.com/schematics/images/mechanical/F732058.gif[/IMG]

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Hrm....well, I'm still baffled. It doesn't look good though.
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Old 08-19-2005, 08:51 AM   #16
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Keep in mind the bottom of the dipstick is not the bottom of the oil pan, so you certainly weren't missing 5qts of oil (unless you habitually put way too much oil in the engine). If you're 1.5 - 2qts low the oil will be off the stick. My car uses oil purty good, never leaves any puddles/drips anywhere, I don't see any blue exhaust smoke, and my coolant's fine, but I'll use a quart probably every 1000-1500mi.

The first time I ever found it 2 quarts down was during a long cross-country drive, all highway. I guess it's easy to forget that although one may have checked the oil just a couple days ago, if one is putting 600-800mi on the car every day it adds up quick!

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ah ha! i put almost 2k miles on between friday and weds, all highway. coolant looked ok so no HG worries. i feel better now!

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Old 08-19-2005, 10:22 AM   #17
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may have spoken too soon. Its not showing any o-rings or gaskets on the blowup. I dont know how that joint is sealed(valve cover to spark plug galleys.) I was operating off exeprience with my Toyota and assuming their had to be something sealing that joint.
Subysouth was on the right path. There are 3 valve cover gaskets on each head. There is the large one shown on the blown up picture (#4) but there are also two small ones that surround the spark plugs. Those can leak and leave oil in the spark plug galleys.

Concerning your missing oil, if it's not blowing smoke, dripping oil, or mixing coolant and oil, you must be burning it somewhere. When you start your car up in the morning, have someone else start it and check for a puff of smoke at startup. Maybe your valve stem seals are leaking.

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Old 08-19-2005, 11:03 AM   #18
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On another note, anyone ever have a oil-like substance come out of the boot/wires for the spark plugs?
I was just going to suggest this, that the valve cover gasket(s) may be leaking... but I couldn't see it leaking down three quarts without some evidence. BTW - how many miles on your Leggy? And if it's still under the 5/60K warranty, recommend that your dealer do an oil-consumption test.

They change the oil and filter and set it to the proper levels, paint/mark all your access plugs/drains and then you drive it for 1K miles. They recheck and if it's lost 1 qt or more in that 1K miles, then they'll figure out what needs to be done from there...usually a short block replacement.

Good luck and keep us appraised.

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Old 08-19-2005, 11:47 AM   #19
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Subysouth was on the right path. There are 3 valve cover gaskets on each head. There is the large one shown on the blown up picture (#4) but there are also two small ones that surround the spark plugs. Those can leak and leave oil in the spark plug galleys.
Thanks for the info Dobes. Those blowups miss some key things sometimes.

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