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Old 08-24-2005, 10:13 AM   #1
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Default Anyone know any places around Chicago selling Barbed Wire?

Well, with a second attempted breakin on my garage, I'm trying to do everything possible to secure my garage. I have a feeling a lot of the invitation is the vacant lot next door. It does have a 5 foot chainlink fence but anyone can just climb over it. I've already put my own chain and padlock to lock the fence.

I know barbed wire or any pointy objects are illegal in Chicago to put on top of fences. I'm pondering whether to take the chance or just put some stakes/barb wire on the ground next to my garage(deterring the thief from trying to climb through my side garage window)

Here is the municipal code I've found on the net:
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8-4-210 Spikes in railings and fences.

No owner, lessee, or person in possession of any building in this city shall erect, maintain, or permit to be erected or maintained on or about the stairway in, or the entrance to, such building, or on or about its exterior building line, on upon any portion of the sidewalk adjacent to such building, any railing, fence, guard, or protection of any kind, upon which there shall be affixed or in any manner attached so as to protrude therefrom any spike, nail, or other pointed instrument of any kind or description, unless such protrusion shall be an integral part of the fencing located entirely on private property; and unless any such protrusion, projecting vertically upward, shall be at least six feet in height above the ground; and unless any such protrusion, projecting vertically downward, shall not be more than six inches from the ground. Any person violating any of the provisions of this section shall be fined not less than $25.00 nor more than $50.00 for each offense; and each day any such person shall fail or neglect to remove from such railing, fence, or other protection, any such spike, nail, or other pointed instrument after notice in writing from the commissioner of buildings so to do, shall constitute a separate and distinct offense. (Prior code 193-14)
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BTW, I've already got bars on the inside of each window, Tinted Windows w/curtains, Motion Detector Alarm, 1/4" plate on door frames, padlock on the garage rails, motion detector lights on 2 sides(going to install 2 extra for the remaining sides).

The only thing that sucks is that I have to pull my car out and close the garage from the inside so I can put a padlock on it. This is some of the growing pains I guess you face when you buy in a developing neighborhood.
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Old 08-24-2005, 10:26 AM   #2
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I see they make no mention of a flaming moat filled with giant squid.......
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Old 08-24-2005, 10:28 AM   #3
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How are they trying to break in? Are they breaking the windows on your house?
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Old 08-24-2005, 10:29 AM   #4
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I say you move. developing neighborhood is a lie, you can take the ******* out of the ghetto, but you cant take the ghetto out of the ******* (insert your own custom racial epithet)

these "people" will always be this way, and just like the animals in the woods, when you tear down their forest, you end up with deer in your yard.
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Old 08-24-2005, 10:32 AM   #5
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dekalb? they invented the stuff...
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Old 08-24-2005, 10:45 AM   #6
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You could have alot more to worry about than a code violation. If someone were to try to break in to your property and hurt themselves on the spikes/barbed wire/etc.. you would most likely be sued for damages, and you would most likely lose and end up paying the guy to try to break into your garage.

No amount of security is going to stop someone who is bound and determined to get in, the best you can do is try to discourage those that aren't that motivated.
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Old 08-24-2005, 10:48 AM   #7
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You could have alot more to worry about than a code violation. If someone were to try to break in to your property and hurt themselves on the spikes/barbed wire/etc.. you would most likely be sued for damages, and you would most likely lose and end up paying the guy to try to break into your garage.

No amount of security is going to stop someone who is bound and determined to get in, the best you can do is try to discourage those that aren't that motivated.
or just move to a place more demographicaly secure.
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Old 08-24-2005, 10:53 AM   #8
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Do what the kid from home alone did. Put Michael Jordan on a toy train w/ train track in the form of an 8, play some holiday music and sit-back and watch the entertainment unfold. Those wacky wet bandits.
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Old 08-24-2005, 11:30 AM   #9
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Do what the kid from home alone did. Put Michael Jordan on a toy train w/ train track in the form of an 8, play some holiday music and sit-back and watch the entertainment unfold. Those wacky wet bandits.
wet backs?
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Old 08-24-2005, 11:52 AM   #10
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Put those slats in the chain link fence to make it more solid. Less tempting for someone to break into a yard they can't see into.

Or how about a motion-switched light?

How about a door with no handle, and just two deadbolts?

Bars over the windows, and a bar door over the door with a padlock?

There is always the last option... the best way to make sure your stuff doesn't get stolen is to make it look like it's not worth stealing.


I think I would opt for a garage without a side door or window at all, just the garage door. Then set up a lock system for the door itself based off of the secondary control of the opener. When the light on the opener unit is off, the door is locked... when it's on, it pulls back some solenoids or something to unlock the door.
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Old 08-24-2005, 12:14 PM   #11
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Stick and Alarm in there and get in monitored? You can get monitoring for under $10 from the online services....
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Old 08-24-2005, 12:17 PM   #12
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Electric fence baby (sang in a Rick James way)
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Old 08-24-2005, 12:56 PM   #13
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Electric fence baby (sang in a Rick James way)

had a bar owner in aurora in the late 90's do that, and he put a sign stating that there was an electrical charge on the ledge of the windows.
Some jackass waste of life broke into it and died. Hiis family wound up getting a huge chunk of change. ****ing joke.


Edit: oh also, blanes farm and fleet may carry it.
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Old 08-24-2005, 12:58 PM   #14
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I realize I can not stop any determined thief. I'm just trying to have enough deterrents to change their minds. I did think about liability and lawsuits using the stuff. I also have slats in the fence but half are gone since people just rip them out. I have a monitored alarm but it really does no good in the city since police response is really slow for non life-threatening emergencies and the thieves are way too fast.

I don't live in the ghetto and frankly, I'm a suburbun boy myself. However my gf(soon to be fiance) is a city girl and wanted to move in the city. I'm pretty sure my garage is targeted more since it was just built and is the best looking garage on my block.

I'm currently in the process of setting up a couple motion activated web cams so I can see if anything is going on from work.

One thing I've thought of is to put a lot of grease on top of the fence so they'll either have messy hands or fall and slip trying to climb over the fence.
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Old 08-24-2005, 01:05 PM   #15
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Motion lights? That is a good help, you know...

The grease on the fence is nice, but birds and whatnot will also land there... no idea what it'll do to a bird or squirrel to have grease on their feet.

How about a "Beware dog" sign and a few piles of dog poop?
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Old 08-24-2005, 01:13 PM   #16
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David,
Living in the same situation about 15 years ago you are in today I can tell you things I have noticed.
Usually thieves looking to cash in will attack places that have lots of security because they know that someone is trying to protect something.
Surveillance signs, overly bright off white lights, music playing inside (leave a radio on but a touch quiet with a talk station on inside the garage)
Also, constantly check your garage for markings. Usually thieves have someone who will scope out places they want to hit and they will mark them. It might be a small chalk mark on the driveway or egging a near-by garage.
Other then that, its kinda a gamble. good luck.
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Old 08-24-2005, 01:44 PM   #17
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Motion lights? That is a good help, you know...
Already said I had those in my first post. I do have a 80lb German Shep/Lab mix but he's too spoiled to be in the garage and sleeps in the house but he does bark if he senses something but too many false alarms lately so I just tend to ignore the dog most of the time.
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Old 08-24-2005, 01:46 PM   #18
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Old 08-24-2005, 02:52 PM   #19
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Have you considered a hidden camera setup? We live in a town of about 15,000, but the cops don't care about people breaking in or 'vandalizing'. In our case it was someone breaking out the passenger side window on the scoob, didn't take anything but left their prints on the radio faceplate, but we still had to force the cops to take prints (not even sure they actually took prints, just took the faceplate to appease us). After the cops left Phil discovered a scape on the garage door indicating someone was trying to get in the garage (attached to the house too). The idiot cops never did anything as far as we know, but it did get us thinking about home security. We haven't done it yet, but we're considering a hidden camera setup that will show all angles where people could get in or out. Other than that, reinforce any doors you have (if the people trying to break in had tried our back door to the garage it would have been easy to kick in--but not after the reinforcing with 2x4s that we did the following day). We also have a generic alarm system from Radio Shack that will go off if either garage door, front door, or window is opened while the system is armed. We don't have it monitored (yet), but we figure the hellacious noise would scare off anyone trying to get in.

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Old 08-24-2005, 04:24 PM   #20
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I think I might need a 9mm in Chicago. Anyways, I've been one of X-10's biggest customer lately. I have their alarm and camera stuff already. Just trying to get their internet camera working through my dsl connection right now.

BTW, I got the Ninja Mount. hehe. Something like this: http://www.x10.com/products/vk75ae_2...19a_fb552.html

But their software really suxors so I'm currently looking for a suitable replacement that can handle multiple cams and also let you control the robotic base. I'm currently evaluating the active webcam software from www.pysoft.com
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Old 08-24-2005, 05:22 PM   #21
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how about a real dog, like a rot or pitbull?
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Old 08-24-2005, 05:33 PM   #22
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how about a real dog, like a rot or pitbull?
Not necessarily a good idea. It is very easy for someone to sedate and/or poison (and kill) a dog, even one that's a "designated" guard dog. Also, if you get a dog and train it to be a guard dog, are you (and your friends, family and neighbors) going to be comfortable with it around children and invited strangers? I doubt it.

I could go on and on about the negatives of that suggestion, but I'll leave it at that.


As far as protecting your garage, it sounds like you've got a lot going on already and I can't think of anything more. If you are really in need of barbed wire, you CAN buy it online. I did a quick search and found this: http://doityourself.com/store/barbedwire.htm

Uh.... good luck I guess.
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Old 08-24-2005, 08:01 PM   #23
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Yes, last time I was at farm and fleet they had plenty of barbed wire if you are still considering that.
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Old 08-24-2005, 09:56 PM   #24
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Barbed wire is illegal? ***? Man there must be some dumb people somewhere to make a law like that. However, they could always throw a thick blanket over your barbed wire fence and render the barbs useless.

Anyways, you can find 2500 foot spools of barbed wire at farm supply stores, but I somewhat doubt there are many of those in Chicago.

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You're not allowed to own guns in Chicago so don't even think it.
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