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Old 08-24-2005, 02:57 PM   #1
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I rented a new Legacy (2.5L w/ sport shift) from Hertz a couple weeks back and really liked it except it could use another 20HP. When I returned the car, the manager of the Hertz location was dealing with an irate customer (who was screaming into the phone / manager holding the phone 6" away from his ear). The customer also had a Legacy w/ sport shift and he had just driven from Logan to the Peabody Marriott in 1st gear "and couldn't even get it up to 30MPH" he screamed!



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Old 08-24-2005, 03:00 PM   #2
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I'll quote Jeff Foxworthy on this one... "buying a rental car is like going to a whore house looking for a wife... She'll have been driven hard and by everyone and thats not something I want to put my key in."

dumb customer though, obviously had it in manual sports shift. Should have just left it in drive.
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Old 08-24-2005, 03:01 PM   #3
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Old 08-24-2005, 03:02 PM   #4
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Yup. Those things get hammered.
I used to work at Boeing field and we had trucks and cars to drive out to the airplanes for engineering lisaison work. These little cars were for field use only and would get 50ft-.75 mile stints every time they were used. Those things looked beautiful, but the engines were pretty horible after they turned over 10k. Don't ever buy a used Boeing vehicle with low miles.
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Old 08-24-2005, 03:10 PM   #5
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I used to work for a car rental company. The cars would get one oil change at 10,000 miles and then again at 20,000 just before they were sold. No other maintainance was ever done.
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Old 08-24-2005, 03:11 PM   #6
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my car was leased before i bought it. thats a little different though....
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Old 08-24-2005, 03:55 PM   #7
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So let me get this straight....Subaru manumatic mode will not shift into 2nd gear at redline? If so, very, VERY bad design.
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Old 08-24-2005, 03:58 PM   #8
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So let me get this straight....Subaru manumatic mode will not shift into 2nd gear at redline? If so, very, VERY bad design.
I completely disagree - I think it's bad if it does shift. It wouldn't be much of a manumatic then would it- more like a regular automatic
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Old 08-24-2005, 04:01 PM   #9
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I didnt know Hertz even had subarus until I read this thread. I thought they only rented out impalas and aveos and such.
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Old 08-24-2005, 04:12 PM   #10
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I completely disagree - I think it's bad if it does shift. It wouldn't be much of a manumatic then would it- more like a regular automatic
Think about what you are saying. If the car hits redline, it should shift. I know that my S4 (with tiptronic) shifts at redline. It will not shift 50 rpm before redline, just at redline.

So tell me, why would you be driving around at redline? I would love to hear. Oh, by the way, redline on modern manual cars is when the rev limiter kicks in. So what would you rather have, your rev limiter kicking in or the car shifting to a higher gear?

Again, think about what you are saying.
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Old 08-24-2005, 04:14 PM   #11
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the rsx (not type-s, obviously since all type-s are manual) manumatic mode will bounce the rev limiter and hold the gear. kind of fun actually.
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Old 08-24-2005, 04:16 PM   #12
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I hope there isn't a car company out there that will build a tranny not to shift out of first at some point! even my built turbo 400 on my old car would shift out of first at a preset limit...thank god cause racing a car that loud I would sometimes not hear the engine revs and bam right inot second...thank god for smart engineering!
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Old 08-24-2005, 04:48 PM   #13
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Think about what you are saying. If the car hits redline, it should shift. I know that my S4 (with tiptronic) shifts at redline. It will not shift 50 rpm before redline, just at redline.

So tell me, why would you be driving around at redline? I would love to hear. Oh, by the way, redline on modern manual cars is when the rev limiter kicks in. So what would you rather have, your rev limiter kicking in or the car shifting to a higher gear?

Again, think about what you are saying.

you think about what you are saying. Have you ever driven around and wanted the car to stay in gear? The last thing I would want is it to shift to 2nd (or third or whatever) and me to have to drop it right back down a gear. We are talking about a human being chosing to put it in manumatic mode. What is so strange about having the actual DRIVER decide when to shift up. Have you ever heard of a manual transmission? The question is not "why would you want to drive in redline" (you may not want to hold it there although on some autox courses you would) its why in the world would you want your car to shift up when you are in manumatic mode trying to hold a gear. Many manumatics work like the LGTs, including ones for porsches and ferraris- the fact that your audi shifts up is actually a weakness. Again think about what you are saying.
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Old 08-24-2005, 04:49 PM   #14
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I hope there isn't a car company out there that will build a tranny not to shift out of first at some point! even my built turbo 400 on my old car would shift out of first at a preset limit...thank god cause racing a car that loud I would sometimes not hear the engine revs and bam right inot second...thank god for smart engineering!

it has a revlimiter, it won't over-rev or damage the engine...
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Old 08-24-2005, 04:49 PM   #15
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when my wife got her 05 LGT, the sales guy told her how to use the automatic/sport/manual shift on the vehicle. Only thing he failed to tell her was unlike a true manual, down shifting the sport shift will not slow the car down. Meh but she learned that on her own. Either way... if the rental guys did more then just hand someone the keys and say "See ya later" this wouldn't be such a common problem.
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Old 08-24-2005, 04:54 PM   #16
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it's a car...if you don't know how to drive one then you shouldn't be on the road.
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Old 08-24-2005, 05:05 PM   #17
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you think about what you are saying. Have you ever driven around and wanted the car to stay in gear? The last thing I would want is it to shift to 2nd (or third or whatever) and me to have to drop it right back down a gear. We are talking about a human being chosing to put it in manumatic mode. What is so strange about having the actual DRIVER decide when to shift up. Have you ever heard of a manual transmission? The question is not "why would you want to drive in redline" (you may not want to hold it there although on some autox courses you would) its why in the world would you want your car to shift up when you are in manumatic mode trying to hold a gear. Many manumatics work like the LGTs, including ones for porsches and ferraris- the fact that your audi shifts up is actually a weakness. Again think about what you are saying.
My car holds 1 rpm right before redline. We are talking REDLINE here, you know, the point at which you should be shifting anyways, the point at which rev limiters kick in on manual cars. No one holds it exactly at redline - no one is good enough to hold a car exactly redline.

My car can hold gears just fine. Why would I not want it to shift at redline? Again, if you are in a manual and you hit redline, the rev limiter kicks in and the car feels as though it's dying.

I don't think you realize what redline means in modern cars. Now, if we are talking about cars without rev limiters, that is another matter.
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Old 08-24-2005, 05:06 PM   #18
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when my wife got her 05 LGT, the sales guy told her how to use the automatic/sport/manual shift on the vehicle. Only thing he failed to tell her was unlike a true manual, down shifting the sport shift will not slow the car down. Meh but she learned that on her own. Either way... if the rental guys did more then just hand someone the keys and say "See ya later" this wouldn't be such a common problem.
If you click it once or twice it will also slow the car down. I have test driven many LGTs to make a decision, and it slowed down just as much as either of my 3 manual cars will when dwnshifting.
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Old 08-24-2005, 05:11 PM   #19
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Sometimes better to stay in a gear and bounce off the limiter than to waste time shifting.
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My car holds 1 rpm right before redline. We are talking REDLINE here, you know, the point at which you should be shifting anyways, the point at which rev limiters kick in on manual cars. No one holds it exactly at redline - no one is good enough to hold a car exactly redline.

My car can hold gears just fine. Why would I not want it to shift at redline? Again, if you are in a manual and you hit redline, the rev limiter kicks in and the car feels as though it's dying.

I don't think you realize what redline means in modern cars. Now, if we are talking about cars without rev limiters, that is another matter.
On a Prelude w/ manumatic the rev limiter hits about 500rpm past the redline. And it would NOT shift on it's own.
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Old 08-24-2005, 05:14 PM   #21
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My car holds 1 rpm right before redline. We are talking REDLINE here, you know, the point at which you should be shifting anyways, the point at which rev limiters kick in on manual cars. No one holds it exactly at redline - no one is good enough to hold a car exactly redline.

My car can hold gears just fine. Why would I not want it to shift at redline? Again, if you are in a manual and you hit redline, the rev limiter kicks in and the car feels as though it's dying.

I don't think you realize what redline means in modern cars. Now, if we are talking about cars without rev limiters, that is another matter.
rev limiters kick in when in manumatic mode too, not just in manual cars. if you go into past redline it will tap against the revlimiter and you will know that you should either shift up or your gear will hold, which is precisely what you want it to do when you are (to name just one example) approaching a series of turns and know that you can take all of them in second gear. You don't have to be afraid of flooring it and having the car shift to 3rd because you went 1mph too fast and then be forced to downshift again. Its all about the flexibilty of a manual transmission- there is no reason to program more compromizes in the manumatic mode of an auto tranny. If you want the car to shift for you then leave it in D.
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Old 08-24-2005, 05:43 PM   #22
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I believe Subaru has fixed this problem with an ECM reprogramming..it might only be on the 3.0's though....I know they issued a recall on it
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I believe Subaru has fixed this problem with an ECM reprogramming..it might only be on the 3.0's though....I know they issued a recall on it


...yeah....Subaru of Jacksonville had a BRAND NEW(as in just out of pdi) 3.0 Outback loaner given to a lady that did the first gear bit.....drove it far enough to overheat it bad enough that it blew a rod up through the intake manifold and it had fire dripping out the bottom.....and the lady, still foot to the floor was waved over py passersby and she left the key in, and on, and the car burned.

...a good portion of the drivetrain of that car was disassembled and shipped to japan.
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Can someone post the service bulletin WWV-06? Thats the one that explains the recall
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Can someone post the service bulletin WWV-06? Thats the one that explains the recall

I would, but the top secret Subaru website for voiding NASIOC warranties worldwide, is not cooperating with my home system. I'll get it in the morning.
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