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Old 08-26-2005, 01:32 AM   #1
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Hi there all, I have a '04 impreza WRX and I am glad that I found this website. I recently had to replace my OE bridgestone RE 92's because they finally went bald on me.

I bought a set of four Yokohama Avid V4S from discount tire direct and I am not happy. It turned out that these are your touring tires that lacks performance. I cannot get good grip on corners and the overal traction is just subpar. They are making the RE 92's look GREAT! I originally bought these because the treadwear is like 500, and the price is good, however not knowing what I have to trade in for the treadwear. The sidewalls are not very stiff and my entire car shakes when I try to kick one tire.

Discount tire told me they are willing to trade them for another set of four and here are some of my options, please offer your opinion. I don't race on the tracks, but I do need to feel control of my car when I am driving on the streets and on the highways. Please offer your expertise on which of the following tire provides what I am looking for. Thank you very much in advance.


Choices:

BF Goodrich g-Force Sport $78 each
Yokohama AVS ES100 $89 each (seems to be popular in the forum)
Falken GR Beta FK-451 $76 each
Kumho Ecsta Supra 712 $70 each
Falken Ziex ZE-512 $72 each
Falken Azenis ST115 $74 each

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Old 08-26-2005, 01:35 AM   #2
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Hi there all, I have a '04 impreza WRX and I am glad that I found this website. I recently had to replace my OE bridgestone RE 92's because they finally went bald on me.

I bought a set of four Yokohama Avid V4S from discount tire direct and I am not happy. It turned out that these are your touring tires that lacks performance. I cannot get good grip on corners and the overal traction is just subpar. They are making the RE 92's look GREAT! I originally bought these because the treadwear is like 500, and the price is good, however not knowing what I have to trade in for the treadwear. The sidewalls are not very stiff and my entire car shakes when I try to kick one tire.

Discount tire told me they are willing to trade them for another set of four and here are some of my options, please offer your opinion. I don't race on the tracks, but I do need to feel control of my car when I am driving on the streets and on the highways. Please offer your expertise on which of the following tire provides what I am looking for. Thank you very much in advance.


Choices:

BF Goodrich g-Force Sport $78 each
Yokohama AVS ES100 $89 each (seems to be popular in the forum)junk
Falken GR Beta FK-451 $76 each best bet for overall performance
Kumho Ecsta Supra 712 $70 each junk
Falken Ziex ZE-512 $72 each not much better than the avid's
Falken Azenis ST115 $74 each

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Old 08-26-2005, 02:05 AM   #3
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Falken Azenis ST115 $74 each

That gets my vote. You get decent grip and they are one of the quietest perforamce tires I have ever owned. Great for daily driving.
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Old 08-26-2005, 04:40 AM   #4
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BF Goodrich g-Force Sport $78 each better than the RE92's, test results here:

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/...ce_sport_c.jsp

i.e. comparable to the 712's, better in the dry, not as good wet

Yokohama AVS ES100 $89 each (seems to be popular in the forum) true, they are popular, but there are also a number of posts from former owners complaining about performance and noise issues. based on this and TireRack's test results - especially against newer tire designs - IMO dissapointing for the price...

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/...laim_uhp_c.jsp

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/fuzion_zri_c.jsp

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/...exalto_pe2.jsp

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/...ech_m500_c.jsp

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/...ore_charts.jsp

Falken GR Beta FK-451 $76 each own 'em, love 'em, but not the quietest tire in the world. nice stiff sidewall, great in the dry, unreal in the rain, tested extensively against the very best and competitive with tires @ twice the price. the only true max-performance tire on your list - will not wear as well as the others

http://www.falken-europe.de/common/i...fs/sa_test.pdf

Kumho Ecsta Supra 712 $70 each see tests results on BFG and ES100's above, not as good as the ES100's. Like the ES100, the 712 is an older design - newer Kumho SPT a better choice, also tested against ES100 above

Falken Ziex ZE-512 $72 each Consumer Reports liked them a lot a few years ago - does not seem to be the performance choice, however. this is the only all-season on your list. do you need snow capability? if not - don't go there

Falken Azenis ST115 $74 each never seen a test on them, but nothing but rave reviews on this board for these tires. by all accounts a longer wearing, much quieter version of the FK451. not quite the performance wet or dry, but apparently good enough for most people and way better than the RE92's
or go with Uncle Scotty's more succinct version - he always cuts to the chase
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Old 08-26-2005, 05:18 AM   #5
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I'm considering either FK-451s or ST115s (both in 205/55/16) for my 2.5 RS. Just how bad is the FK-451's treadwear? I can deal with noise and harshness, but if it's going to be cooked after 15,000 miles...
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Old 08-26-2005, 06:10 AM   #6
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Just how bad is the FK-451's treadwear? I can deal with noise and harshness, but if it's going to be cooked after 15,000 miles...
you'd have to try real hard to burn through them in 15k. I'm at 10k now, looks like 20k easy - probably 25k but I won't keep 'em that long with Houston's rain...
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Old 08-26-2005, 12:38 PM   #7
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Where are you located? Do you have to deal with snow/rain/dirt roads on a somewhat regular basis?
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Old 08-26-2005, 12:57 PM   #8
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I'm basically deciding between Pirelli PZero Nero M+S or Toyo Proxes4 for my spring-summer-fall tires to replace the RE92s, + a set of dedicated winter tires on the stock WRX rims.
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Old 08-26-2005, 01:53 PM   #9
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Defintely go with a 225/50/16. Anything short of the "old" falken azenis is going to be very lack luster in terms of performance in the stock size. I would recommend the Falken 451's.
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Old 08-26-2005, 04:06 PM   #10
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I don't have to deal with snow at all (Las Vegas). Just 100 degree weather and the occasional flash flood. Will 225/50/16's fit on the stock rims (looks like they have a little room left, but I'm not certain)?
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Old 08-26-2005, 04:08 PM   #11
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I don't have to deal with snow at all (Las Vegas). Just 100 degree weather and the occasional flash flood. Will 225/50/16's fit on the stock rims (looks like they have a little room left, but I'm not certain), and will they maintain the same overall diameter as the 205/55/16's?
225-50-16 will fit just fine, but you're gonna experience some bulge and sidewall flex. but i think it looks better so go for it.

i'll vote for fk451 since you have a no snow climate. perhaps you should look at the hankook ventus rs2 also. cheap and sticky.
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Old 08-26-2005, 04:10 PM   #12
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Thanks for your help, and yeah, the overall diameter is the same (www.miata.net/garage/tirecalc.html owns). Is the increased width and lower aspect ratio worth the bulge and sidewall flex, in your opinion?

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Old 08-26-2005, 04:19 PM   #13
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I got a quote from a local tire shop (recommended by nasioc folks) that $480 (taxed) as a package deal and comes with:
4 pcs 205/55-16 Falken 512
Mounting, old tire disposal, etc
Lifetime balance
Lifetime 4-wheel alignment

How'd you guys think? Good deal for me.
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Old 08-26-2005, 05:02 PM   #14
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I got a quote from a local tire shop (recommended by nasioc folks) that $480 (taxed) as a package deal and comes with:
4 pcs 205/55-16 Falken 512
Mounting, old tire disposal, etc
Lifetime balance
Lifetime 4-wheel alignment

How'd you guys think? Good deal for me.
That seems kinda high.

Ziex 512s are listed at $72/ea on www.tires.com.

So 4 x 72 + 4 x 15 = $348 + tax. Then an alignment is $75.

I missed alignment at first though, so I thought you were getting ripped.
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Old 08-26-2005, 05:08 PM   #15
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I didn't deal with online order because I don't want to wait for the shipment, and I constantly having difficulties in receiving any online purchased stuffs, lol. If I order thru web, that's true, I can make some more savings.
Didn't know about Detroit, but here in LA I couldn't find quality shop which can offer lifetime alignment for less than $99.95.

For small to normal size items, I'll have them mailed to my bro's office. 4 tires are impossible to mail to them, and it is pretty hilarious to have 4 new tires shipped to a biochemical company.
My workplace? Sorry, no personal mailings, ever.
My home? Nobody during regular business hours (i.e. when UPS/FedEx work)
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Old 08-26-2005, 05:36 PM   #16
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...the 512's have a MUSHY sidewall!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

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Old 08-26-2005, 05:42 PM   #17
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Thanks for all the help and I can't believe all these response in just 12 hours!! Love this website!!

Especially thanks to uncle scotty and ripview for your detailed responses.

I am very interested to hear more about the ST-115's if anyone has more info. I am trying to compare them to the FK-451's. I am deciding between these two tires as they are good for the buck.

It seems like the 451's have a better a grip on the road and a stiffer sidewall for cornering? On the other hand, the ST-115's are quieter and longer treadwear. I am being extra careful with the treadwear because the avid v4s have great treadwear but it sucked...

Thanks for all the help.
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Old 08-26-2005, 05:52 PM   #18
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dcwrx2, you should look at the online stores unless you personally know a shop that will give you great deals.

Discount tires is pretty quick with shipment and they offer free shipping. Don't worry about not able to get them from UPS. Just indicated under special instructions when you order to require signature during delivery so UPS won't leave them at your front door and someone can steal your tires. And then just call UPS to pull them from the truck so you can go pick them up after work at your local UPS station. Also if you live in Cali, discount tires does not charge you tax! so you are saving a LOT of money there.

The only drawback with discount tires is that you have to find your own installer. I always go to my local walmart and they have a great deal on mounting tires. You only pay $3.50 per tire for mounting compared to at least $15 in other places. You can also buy the "lifetime rotation and balance" at walmart for $7.50 a tire ($30 total, you get this back with one rotation and banlance). I am very good at finding good deals, however I've never been able to locate anyone that does "lifetime alignment". I am in socal and if someone knows anyone that offers lifetime alignment, please let me know!! The $99 lifetime alignment is a great investment, you'll get that back after two alignments!
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Old 08-26-2005, 05:52 PM   #19
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...the 512's have a MUSHY sidewall!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

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Thanks, I read that too. But I guess it should be ok for my regular commuting but not racing.
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I always go to my local walmart and they have a great deal on mounting tires. You only pay $3.50 per tire for mounting compared to at least $15 in other places.
Yes, WalMart's auto-services are always at low price, but sorry, but I've been trying not to have any auto-related business with WalMart base on these past experiences with them:
Requested for balancing tires and rotation but after 3 hours, they did rotation and forgot to do balancing.
Have uni-directional tires "cross-rotated" especially I made a special note about my tires are uni-directional.
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I've never been able to locate anyone that does "lifetime alignment". I am in socal and if someone knows anyone that offers lifetime alignment, please let me know!!
Don't know where exactly you live in socal, but Discount Tire Center at El Monte is the place. $99.50 most car for lifetime alignment. [EDIT: I made a mistake, please read the next post] They didn't even change the price since 7 years ago when I brought my Integra there for lifetime alignment! I had them aligned my car for like 5 times so far, before my car got vaporized in this world

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SORRY FOLKS, I APOLOGIZE I made a false statement on the "lifetime alignment" thing.

Due to conversational misunderstandings (coz me and the tech were talked over the phone), I told the tech I want a lifetime alignment BUT he missed my word "lifetime". So the correct pricing for one-time-only alignment is around $90. Today I talked to him again and the correct pricings for LIFETIME ALIGNMENT is $169.95 for 2-wheel, while $250 for 4-wheel. (But really, they charged me like $100 for lifetime 4-wheel alignment on my old Integra back in about 7 years ago, same shop. lol) He later offered me the same pricing of 4-wheel lifetime alignment at the same price for 2-wheel which is $169.95, since we had the misunderstandings... Well, anyway, I really need lifetime alignment coz I drive about 25k miles every year...
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Thanks, I read that too. But I guess it should be ok for my regular commuting but not racing.

I couldn't live with it......that's why the PZero Nero's(and Proxes4's) have got so popular, I think....way more towards the 'performance' end of the spectrum....not MUSH.
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Im going with the ST115s for what its worth as a quiet/moderate stick compromise.

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Im going with the ST115s for what its worth as a quiet/moderate stick compromise.ss
does that mean you're recommending them in this situation, or you're going to buy a set? if the latter, I greatly look forward to your review of these often-raved about but so far untested tires...
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does that mean you're recommending them in this situation, or you're going to buy a set? if the latter, I greatly look forward to your review of these often-raved about but so far untested tires...
I'm personally getting a set. I'll be posting my thoughts in comparison to the 712s, ES100s, RE050s and RE070s as far as wet and dry stick goes. I know I am gonna give up some stick for the quieter tire. But I also am gonna record before and after SPL numbers against my wasted 712s on same stretch of highway. Should be interesting to see how quiet these really are.

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