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Old 12-13-2006, 04:37 PM   #51
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Can be replaced from the top, no dropping
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Old 12-13-2006, 05:35 PM   #52
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Can be replaced from the top, no dropping
How is that? It's not under the intercooler,...or at least so I'm told.

I took a pic and posted it here but it must have droped off my host. Here it is again. When I posted it here before, I was told this sensor was not the one,...and thast is the only one that can be reached from the top so far as I know.

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Old 12-16-2006, 04:09 PM   #53
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Anyone able to post pics of the sensor and location????? Please?
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Old 12-16-2006, 09:12 PM   #54
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I had same problem. It IS the nuetral safety switch! ... and you don't have to lower the tranny.

The dealer will do it under warrenty. It's not a big deal and WILL fix all this!
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Old 12-16-2006, 11:35 PM   #55
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Hmm, you see when I posted this before (post 46?) I got the following reply, that the sensor in my pic wasn't it, but rather a "VSS" (whatever the heck a VSS is?).


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No, that is your VSS.

Your Neutral Switch in on the driver's side of the transmission, furthest back with the black connector. It is something you do underneath the car

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Any idea what a VSS is and are you certain this is the neutral safety switch?
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Old 12-18-2006, 08:49 AM   #56
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I think Rob is reaffirming that "the problem" IS the neutral safety switch.

I have the service manual buried at home. When I get the chance I'll dig it out and post a pic. I'll try and do it tonight, but it's a little more involved than just digging (The file is on a raid array on a server that lost the driver for the controller card when I upgraded the kernel the other day)
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Old 12-18-2006, 09:58 PM   #57
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Here ya go. I hope it helps. I know it's not the full view. The front of the car would be to the left deeper into the picture.

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Old 12-18-2006, 11:42 PM   #58
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Thanks a bunch 614.

So it isn't the one in my pic. It's almost 2 feet farthetr back in the car on the top of the trans and just a hair off to the drivers side.

The dealer is supposed to want many hundreds to drop the trans to replace it. That's what has to be done according to the shop manuals, or so I hear.

I wonder if I could just remove the trans mount bolts and drop the back of the trans a bit to replace it. I'm guessing I could get a hand up to it but not a wrench.

That's why I was thinking of just jumping the wires together. All I have to remebmer is NOT to force the shifter into neutral with the cruize on without using the clutch. I can't see any occasion where that would happen, and worse case scenario, the engine would bop off the rev limiter for a half second until instinctively, I hit the brake pedal.
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Old 08-23-2012, 08:22 AM   #59
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reviving an age old thread, but I was wondering if anyone has found a way to change the NSS without dropping the trans on their cars?
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Old 01-29-2013, 10:21 PM   #60
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Hi all,
I'm having the same cruise control failure problem on my '04 STi. Set it at 60 mph or whatever, works fine for a few minutes, then it comes off "set". I can instantly reset it, and it will work for a few seconds, then come off of "set" again. I have spent 1.5 days at my dealer in Denver, Groove Subaru, and gotten them to have two techs using a scan device to get a read on what happens when it fails while on a drive. They said the neutral safety switch appears to be sending a signal. They also said they asked their Parts department to look up the part, and apparantly there isn't one listed for the '04 STi. So, I'm needing some help here pls.

1) Has anyone solved this problem, and if so, how?
2) Was there a technical service bulletin and/or any recall/warranty coverage? It sounds like there has been enough problems with the STi as well as the WRX cruise controls that it might have generated some support.
3) My dealer is saying that to replace the switch, the tranny has to come out. Has anyone figured out a workaround that doesn't require this?

Thanks for your time and help.
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Old 01-30-2013, 02:02 PM   #61
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When I had my 04 STi, I had this problem, cruise wouldnt stay set. Started very intermittently, then more frequently as time progressed. At the time, I was working at the dealer, so parts and labour were extra cheap. I read up on the neutral safety switch fix, so I decided to try it. It definetly fixed the problem, as I drove the car another year or so before selling it and the problem never reoccured.

I should add, the tech would replaced did not have to take out the transmission, he was able to lower it slightly, then reach up top to where the sensor was, and replace it. If a dealer is telling you that they have to remove the transmission, I would look elsewhere.

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Old 01-31-2013, 12:42 PM   #62
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Matthew,
thanks for your help here. will see if we can get to the neutral safety switch by lowering the tranny.
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Old 02-13-2013, 09:48 PM   #63
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Thanks to everyone for the steer toward the neutral safety switch. My dealer couldn't even determine if the 6MT HAD a NSS and what the part number was. Based on the diagram posted here of the tranny, I found the part on SubaruParts.com. so that confirmed it. The dealer wanted to drop the tranny (only $800!) and waste a day of time, plus take some unnecessary risk. Due to statements here that it could possibly be done by lowering the tranny, I went to my fav indy and he "got 'er done!". We removed the tranny mounting bracket, which lowered it an inch or so. Not enough, so we dropped one of the exhaust hangers and that was a little better, but we needed more. We then undid the connector between the downpipe and the catback. A little better, but some more still needed. We then undid the bolt holding the most rear-ward shifter linkage (not sure of the name of it), and that got us what we needed. By going around the passenger side of the tranny, we accessed the NSS, replaced it, put her all back together and "cruised, under control"... only $125 later, including parts. Thanks to everyone for your help
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Old 02-14-2013, 01:12 PM   #64
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Good to know!!! Thanks
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Old 02-17-2013, 12:28 PM   #65
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If anyone else has this problem, before you go and replace the neutral switch, here's something to try. It's a lot cheaper and might fix the problem for nothing...

I had the cruise control problem as well, a year or two after I bought the car new, so this has been 8 or 9 years ago. In my case, the problem was caused by one of the switches on the clutch or brake pedals that cancel the cruise if you press the pedals. On my car, one of these switches (I can't remember which) was intermittently opening and killing the cruise. I think it was the clutch pedal, which I guess had "settled" a little to a very slightly lower position.

You can check if these switches are the problem by temporarily shorting them out with a piece of wire. If the problem goes away, it's the switch.

You can also easily adjust the switch by loosening a nut, moving the switch a little, and re-tightening. In my case, this fixed the problem.
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