Welcome to the North American Subaru Impreza Owners Club Wednesday September 17, 2014
Home Forums WikiNASIOC Products Store Modifications Upgrade Garage
Click here to visit TireRack
Tire & Wheel Forum sponsored by The Tire Rack

Losing traction? Need new tires?
Click here to visit the NASIOC Upgrade Garage...
Here you can view your subscribed threads, work with private messages and edit your profile and preferences Home Registration is free! Visit the NASIOC Store NASIOC Rules Search Find other members Frequently Asked Questions Calendar Archive NASIOC Upgrade Garage Logout
Go Back   NASIOC > NASIOC Technical > Tire & Wheel

Welcome to NASIOC - The world's largest online community for Subaru enthusiasts!
Welcome to the NASIOC.com Subaru forum.

You are currently viewing our forum as a guest, which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our community, free of charge, you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. Registration is free, fast and simple, so please join our community today!

If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact us.
* Registered users of the site do not see these ads.
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 08-28-2005, 06:12 PM   #1
hampster
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 15766
Join Date: Feb 2002
Chapter/Region: TXIC
Vehicle:
torq steer=something
cattlemen do after work.

Lightbulb Wider than 225 and rubbing...what are you running?

I've found numerous threads on people running wider than 225's on WRX sedans, but I've read conflicting information on what rubs and what will clear.

So, if you can help me (and many others, I'm sure) out and let us know what your are running and whether or not you have rubbing issues:

1. Tire make/model:
2. Tire size (nominal):
3. Wheel make/model:
4. Wheel size:
5. Fenders (rolled/stock):
6. Spring/shock/coilover setup:
7. Alignment (mainly camber, F/R):
8. Does it rub? (where, what conditions):
* Registered users of the site do not see these ads.
hampster is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-28-2005, 10:07 PM   #2
HomerJay
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 1135
Join Date: Mar 2000
Chapter/Region: BAIC
Location: BAICED
Vehicle:
2005 WRX WAGON
Silver

Default

You'll be fine as long as you start w/ 235's or less. Any wider and you'll have to start thinking about rolling your fenders. Especially your rear fenders. Some searches would yield all the info you need.
HomerJay is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-29-2005, 01:30 PM   #3
hampster
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 15766
Join Date: Feb 2002
Chapter/Region: TXIC
Vehicle:
torq steer=something
cattlemen do after work.

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by HomerJay
You'll be fine as long as you start w/ 235's or less. Any wider and you'll have to start thinking about rolling your fenders. Especially your rear fenders. Some searches would yield all the info you need.
I'm causing all my own grief by trying to run that ragged edge...245's. My specific situation is I am looking at 245/35-18 Toyo T1-R's on 18x8 SSR Competitions (+51 offset) with an Eibach Pro Kit (springs, -1.3" front, -1.1" rear).

I have searched extensively for people using the same/similar configurations and found the closest to be: +51mm offset wheel (18x8"), 245/35-18 Toyo T1-S (same actual dimensions as newer T1-R), running STi pinks and struts on a 2002 WRX sedan. This individual went 9+ months without rubbing, then rubbed one day with the car loaded down (5 people) while turning a corner.

Others have used Toyo T1-S in 235/35-18 with +51mm offset wheels and Tein lowering springs and said their next tire will be 245/35-18's (ie: they think they will have the clearance).

Yet others have used Bridgestone Pole Position S0-3's in 225/40-18 on +51mm offset wheels and Prodrive or other lowering springs and had plenty (ie: over 0.75") of clearance (225/40-18 S0-3 is only 0.4" narrower than 245/35-18 T1-R/S).

The point here (aside from my own struggle on functional tire sizes) is that some people have no rubbing whereas others running similar (or even more conservative) configurations experiene rubbing.

I personally have PM'd over a dozen people on this board to get additional information on their setups to see why this is happening (ie: PM one guy to get his alignment specs, another for his wheel offset, another for his strut models, etc).

This is a tedious way to gather data, so my intent was to gather all pertinent data from people more efficienty (and publicly) so other's could benefit from this *complete* data and not have to do what I've been doing for the last week.

Cliff's Notes: This thread is for the benefit of all ScoobyKind.
hampster is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-29-2005, 08:53 PM   #4
boxerboy
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 80976
Join Date: Feb 2005
Default

Hampster . I am encountering similar problems for different reasons. Mine are brake size. It may be a couple of weeks be for I can get tires on my car (02 WRX). I will try to run 235. I will post pics and spec when it all works out. PM me if you want.
boxerboy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-29-2005, 08:54 PM   #5
shane86
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 67387
Join Date: Aug 2004
Chapter/Region: MWSOC
Location: Minneapolis, MN
Vehicle:
04 WRX - STX
05 LGT Limited Wagon

Default

1. Falken Azenis RT-615
2. 245/45-17
3. Rota Boost
4. 17x8, +48
5. Stock
6. Stock
7. Stock
8. Yes. Mainly between 10 o'clock and 2 o'clock only at full suspension load in the rear.

They'll fit just fine once i roll the fenders, and once i lower it it'll clear thanks to the added camber.

i think that the +51 offset is going to kill ya.
shane86 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-30-2005, 02:56 PM   #6
slickvic
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 29727
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Indianapolis
Vehicle:
2003 Impreza WRX
Black

Default

I have some 245/40/17 michelin pilot sports that I will be putting on my car this week (have to get them mounted and balanced) on a 17x8 +48 wheel. The car is lowered about an inch on tein flexs with 1 degree rear camber and 2 degrees front. I will post back once I get them on about rubbing. I have heard that this will fit, might need a little more camber, without rolling the fender. I have 225 on the same 17x8 inch wheel and it seems that I have just enough clearance to the fender and to the strut, but it will certainly be close. Worst comes to worst I will simply have to roll the fender.
slickvic is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-03-2005, 09:40 PM   #7
JDM addict
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 42976
Join Date: Sep 2003
Chapter/Region: SCIC
Location: Del Mar, California
Vehicle:
04' Subie
Econobox Rocket

Default

This is what I am running, ZERO rubbing

JDM addict is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-03-2005, 09:57 PM   #8
slickvic
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 29727
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Indianapolis
Vehicle:
2003 Impreza WRX
Black

Default

^ you're cheating though with the sti
slickvic is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-04-2005, 12:13 AM   #9
JDM addict
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 42976
Join Date: Sep 2003
Chapter/Region: SCIC
Location: Del Mar, California
Vehicle:
04' Subie
Econobox Rocket

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by slickvic
^ you're cheating though with the sti
chassis is the same between WRX and STi
JDM addict is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-04-2005, 03:39 PM   #10
slickvic
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 29727
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Indianapolis
Vehicle:
2003 Impreza WRX
Black

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by JDM addict
chassis is the same between WRX and STi
It's a bigger fender flare though isn't it? Maybe I'm wrong just always thought it was. If not I'm going to stop dicking around with 245's and step up to some 265 asap.

Anyway put the 245/4017 Michelin Pilot Sports on today and took it for a test drive. No rubbing during normal driving, but when I pushed it real hard in a turn that has a couple mid-corner bumps it rubbed in the rear on the rubber liner that hooks onto the fender lip. It just barely rubbed the outside edge of the rumber strip so you would probably be fine if you just took that off since it adds about another 1/4 inch to the fender lip. I went ahead and rolled the fender ( did this with a baseball bat and a hair dryer and it turned out fine) anyway just cause I dont want to risk cutting my pilot sports. So basically if you are going to run 245 or more I would say plan on rolling the fender on a wrx sedan.

Again as posted above I'm running 1 degree rear camber on a 17x8 +48 wheel and I'm running about an inch lower (13.5" from hub center to fender edge in the rear and 14" front) on tein flex coilovers 10k/8k.

Hope this helps some
slickvic is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-05-2005, 03:56 AM   #11
slvrwrx04
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 58058
Join Date: Mar 2004
Chapter/Region: SCIC
Location: San Diego, CA
Vehicle:
2014 STI Sedan
Satin White Pearl

Default

I believe JDM Addict has a 2004 STI, so he does not have the fender flares on the rear of his car.
slvrwrx04 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-05-2005, 02:13 PM   #12
JDM addict
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 42976
Join Date: Sep 2003
Chapter/Region: SCIC
Location: Del Mar, California
Vehicle:
04' Subie
Econobox Rocket

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by slickvic
It's a bigger fender flare though isn't it? Maybe I'm wrong just always thought it was. If not I'm going to stop dicking around with 245's and step up to some 265 asap.
The fenders are identical, stop dicking around
JDM addict is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-05-2005, 03:12 PM   #13
slickvic
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 29727
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Indianapolis
Vehicle:
2003 Impreza WRX
Black

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by JDM addict
The fenders are identical, stop dicking around
What wheel size and offset is this on. Definately going to have to go something bigger now. I dont get how you fit that though and I rubbed the rubber stripping on a 245. How much camber are you running and what ride height is this. Thanks for any info you can provide.
slickvic is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-05-2005, 03:30 PM   #14
JDM addict
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 42976
Join Date: Sep 2003
Chapter/Region: SCIC
Location: Del Mar, California
Vehicle:
04' Subie
Econobox Rocket

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by slickvic
What wheel size and offset is this on.
18x8.5 +45

Quote:
Originally Posted by slickvic
Definately going to have to go something bigger now.
yes you do

Quote:
Originally Posted by slickvic
I dont get how you fit that though and I rubbed the rubber stripping on a 245.
My fender lip are rolled with no rubber strip.

Quote:
Originally Posted by slickvic
How much camber are you running
-1.75

Quote:
Originally Posted by slickvic
and what ride height is this.
I don't know how to define ride height, but my car is on 04' TEIN S-tech springs.
JDM addict is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-05-2005, 03:32 PM   #15
JDM addict
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 42976
Join Date: Sep 2003
Chapter/Region: SCIC
Location: Del Mar, California
Vehicle:
04' Subie
Econobox Rocket

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by slickvic
What wheel size and offset is this on. Definately going to have to go something bigger now. I dont get how you fit that though and I rubbed the rubber stripping on a 245. How much camber are you running and what ride height is this. Thanks for any info you can provide.
My advice to you is, stop listening to other people and carefully think about it yourself, it is a very simple measurement. If you can see and use a ruler, anyone can do it. People are just lazy and afraid to try it.
JDM addict is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-05-2005, 03:40 PM   #16
slickvic
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 29727
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Indianapolis
Vehicle:
2003 Impreza WRX
Black

Default

Hey thanks alot, great info there. I think running only 1 degree rear camber is making things tighter for me than need be. A little more camber and I think i could get another 20 mm of tire in there or at least a 255 depending of the tire design.
slickvic is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-05-2005, 04:34 PM   #17
JDM addict
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 42976
Join Date: Sep 2003
Chapter/Region: SCIC
Location: Del Mar, California
Vehicle:
04' Subie
Econobox Rocket

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by slickvic
Hey thanks alot, great info there. I think running only 1 degree rear camber is making things tighter for me than need be. A little more camber and I think i could get another 20 mm of tire in there or at least a 255 depending of the tire design.
yup, you starting to see it

It is not rocket science
JDM addict is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-06-2005, 02:21 PM   #18
slickvic
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 29727
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Indianapolis
Vehicle:
2003 Impreza WRX
Black

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by JDM addict
It is not rocket science
True, it's just that it would suck to spend $800 on tires and then they end up not fitting. I think thats why people are reluctant to go big until they see others do it first.
slickvic is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-30-2005, 10:38 PM   #19
JohnW
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 14583
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: San Diego, CA
Vehicle:
2002 WRX Wagon
Silver

Default

Addict.. long time no see.

I'm thinking of putting rt-615 255/40/17 on my wagon. Unfortunately I can't wait for the 235/40/17s that are coming out next year. I'm going to try to measure tomorrow. If it doesn't fit, I'll have to go with 245/40/17 Kumho MXs.

Good to see you still around and driving your STI.
JohnW is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-01-2005, 07:42 AM   #20
boxerboy
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 80976
Join Date: Feb 2005
Default

5Zigen GN+ 18x8.5 48 G-force 245/35/18 Had to roll the rear fender. That was the only issue.

boxerboy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-02-2005, 12:13 AM   #21
SubiePilot
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 85245
Join Date: Apr 2005
Chapter/Region: W. Canada
Location: Calgary
Vehicle:
V7 STi wanna be

Default

On a 02 WRX sedan 245/40 SO2 pole positions on 17x8 rota torque all suspension is stock(for now). I have lots of room, no rubbing at all. Till my prodrives springs get here then we will see.
SubiePilot is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-03-2005, 03:13 PM   #22
JDM addict
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 42976
Join Date: Sep 2003
Chapter/Region: SCIC
Location: Del Mar, California
Vehicle:
04' Subie
Econobox Rocket

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnW
Addict.. long time no see.

I'm thinking of putting rt-615 255/40/17 on my wagon. Unfortunately I can't wait for the 235/40/17s that are coming out next year. I'm going to try to measure tomorrow. If it doesn't fit, I'll have to go with 245/40/17 Kumho MXs.

Good to see you still around and driving your STI.
Hi John, yeah is been a while since I seen you, thanks for saying hi! I hope everything is going well with you

Man, 255 is HUGE for a wagon, my 265 BARELY fit inside my wide fender, but you got 9k springs though, that helps a lot!

Yeah I am still around, I'll live here forever if I can, and yes I am loving my STi, in my opinion it is the perfect car in the price range for me. The only other cars I would own in the future would be an Infiniti GTR and Porsche 911 Turbo, that is if I am doing A LOT better in life. I have to have 4WD, high power sports car
JDM addict is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
17 or 18 on my wrx what are you running drkelly Tire & Wheel 10 11-18-2011 12:00 AM
Intake Setups for Rallycars, What are you running? rallykeith Motorsports 5 08-03-2004 12:59 PM
Auto-x Suspension set-up? What are you running? joshmeduri Brakes, Steering & Suspension 2 01-07-2004 05:58 PM
Plugs for RS-T? What are you running? jeff22 Normally Aspirated with bolt-on Forced Induction Powertrain 1 06-10-2003 02:18 AM
Turbo Poll: What Are You Running? MagicMT Factory 2.0L Turbo Powertrain 13 05-06-2001 12:12 AM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 07:45 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Powered by Searchlight © 2014 Axivo Inc.
Copyright ©1999 - 2014, North American Subaru Impreza Owners Club, Inc.