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Old 08-23-2005, 01:29 PM   #1
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Default P Zero Nero M+S or Dunlop SP5000 asyms?

Hey,

Just wanted to know what people in the northeast prefer:
(2002RS, SPT suspension, 4 pot brakes, 1999 RS Wheels, Cobb CAI, Stromung Cat-back, Spirited driving, all season)


P Zero Nero M+S or Dunlop SP5000 Asym

I have had the SP5000s in the past. Currently running Contiextremecontacts. (long lasting, decent tire, good snow performance, handling not as good as Dunlops IMO)

I am thinking about getting another set of Dunlop SP5000s but the P Zeros look like they might be better.

Anyone have an opinion or have run both tires?



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Old 08-23-2005, 02:39 PM   #2
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People here swear by the PZeros. I am currently on Yokohama AVS E100s myself
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Old 08-23-2005, 03:10 PM   #3
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you wont go wrong with the P-Zero's.. Me and my best friend ride them and they are great!!
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Old 08-23-2005, 04:59 PM   #4
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p-zero's- great all weather tire for a great all weather rex, cant go wrong.
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Old 08-23-2005, 11:00 PM   #5
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I have have used both tires, the SP5000s on my WRX and the Pzero Neros M+S on my Legacy. They are both great tires. I don't think you can go wrong with either one. Flip a coin.
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Old 08-24-2005, 02:38 AM   #6
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I have heard that the Pzero's have vibration issues. I run the Kumho ASX's which are right up there with the Pzero's. The ASX's are an awsome tire, they grip the road very well and they are quiet.
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Old 08-24-2005, 10:35 AM   #7
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I have heard that the Pzero's have vibration issues.
....I'm on my 2nd set and never had vibration issues with mine.
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Old 08-25-2005, 02:39 AM   #8
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must be a Washington thing. It could be the roads, the ones up here suck.
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Old 08-25-2005, 03:26 AM   #9
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Quote:
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Anyone have an opinion...?
opinion - no problem:

SP5000: better in rain, snow
PzeroNero M&S: better in the dry - in fact, probably the best ever M&S in the dry
source: tests done on TireRack and comments from Luke@TireRack on this board

some other M&S options: Nokian (snow) and Toyo (wet) - never seen any tests on either, but you're welcome to search...
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Old 08-25-2005, 08:41 AM   #10
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Get the Dunnies.
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Old 08-25-2005, 09:10 AM   #11
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I have the Neros. Love them.
215/45-17



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Old 08-25-2005, 09:59 AM   #12
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PZero's are NOT the best in rain. But on dry pavement they grip very nicely. Their limit is high enough, but not absurdly high which IMO actually goes really well with my mostly stock suspension. You can push them quite safely and the car responds smoothly at the limit. Plus they are reasonably quiet, and they are fine with light snow as well. (although I'm getting dedicated snows for this winter after spinning out on a highway on RE92's last year)
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Old 08-25-2005, 10:38 AM   #13
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Have had both on my WRX----- either would make a fine choice----- PZeros are a bit better ----- btw, this is coming from a guy who has not bought (and swore I never would again) Pirellis since the late 1960's. I am very happy with the Neros.
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Old 08-26-2005, 01:41 PM   #14
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How many miles can I expect from Nero M+S (daily commute, not race/tracks etc)?
Currently I still have RE92 and they start giving me wobbing noise at low speed (<25mph) and I think it's the time to look for new tires.
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Old 08-29-2005, 11:21 PM   #15
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Having owned multiple sets of Dunlop SP5000 on VW Passat GLX Wagon and one-and-only-never-again Pirelli PZero Nero M+S on Mazda RX-8, I vote unequivocally for Dunlop. I wrote a piece against Pirelli here: w^3_rx8club_com/showthread.php?t=63065. These tires have just passed the 14k mark, and are wearing maybe down to 1~2mm above the wear indicator. "Dancing in the rain" is how I would describe them when road condition is damp/wet.

If all-season is an absolute, try Toyo Proxes 4. Kumho Ecsta ASX is a fine tire, much better wear while subjecting to similar autox punishments. However, the grip is less than Pirelli in dry as attested by my friend who drove both ASX and Nero M+S on RX-8, similarly equipped.
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Old 08-30-2005, 02:39 PM   #16
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alot of the legacy guys at www.legacygt.com use the PZero Nero M+S. I have them. I the cold they flat spot after sitting for a few hours and tramline if the road is groovy ( I hear this is a problem in CA). All I can say is that numerous guys have switched from the Toyo Proxes 4 to the PZero Nero M+S within the Toyo 30 trial period. I can't speak for the dunlops.
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Old 08-30-2005, 11:41 PM   #17
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Last year, I asked Luke @ Tire Rack his opinion on these two tires. I found his email response today. He said...

"The 5000's are better in the snow than the Pirelli's but, the Pirelli's
are better in the dry ... They are really close to each other in the wet"
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Old 08-30-2005, 11:57 PM   #18
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Having owned multiple sets of Dunlop SP5000 on VW Passat GLX Wagon and one-and-only-never-again Pirelli PZero Nero M+S on Mazda RX-8, I vote unequivocally for Dunlop. I wrote a piece against Pirelli here: w^3_rx8club_com/showthread.php?t=63065. These tires have just passed the 14k mark, and are wearing maybe down to 1~2mm above the wear indicator. "Dancing in the rain" is how I would describe them when road condition is damp/wet.

If all-season is an absolute, try Toyo Proxes 4. Kumho Ecsta ASX is a fine tire, much better wear while subjecting to similar autox punishments. However, the grip is less than Pirelli in dry as attested by my friend who drove both ASX and Nero M+S on RX-8, similarly equipped.
+1 The SP Sport 5000's are sick in the rain and not to bad on the dry. I did a review on them a while back. I had them on my stock rims. It was my 1st upgrade!
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Old 08-30-2005, 11:59 PM   #19
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i run 225/50/16's

they seem to float a little but that could be because of the 225 footprint.

dry is definately impressive however its nothing compared to lets say.. bridgestone s03's.

BUT for an ALL SEASON, it does its job pretty well. If you are driving with any shred of sence in the rain, the pirrelli is more than decent enough. drive like an asshat, however good a tire you have, i give no sympathy to people who curb in rain.

i have yet to try these in snow. however i hear they are alright. i had dunlop spa2 (junk) and even brand new, they were horrible in snow.

but thats comparing apples and oranges.

a buddy of mine loves his proxes 4. i approve of the pirelli however i have never tried the dunlop 5000
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To supplement what's been said already, Dunlop SP5000 Directional was very impressive in my recollection. It was sticky enough on the Passat wagon driving at Lime Rock in CT. The instructors made comment on how well the car that weighted 3400 pounds and nose-heavy from V6 stick to the course. FWD in snow with Dunlop beats driving RWD on same tire of course.

As for Pirelli PZero Nero M+S, let me just say I never liked it from the day it got put on the car. In the rain, it is twitchy even with full tread. In dry, it is decent not ultra performance summer level. In snow, good luck getting anywhere with more than 2 inch on the ground. Obviously, AWD like Subies have better chance of making out there in inclement weather.
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Old 08-31-2005, 10:56 AM   #21
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PZero's are NOT the best in rain.
Nope.... my old Dunlop SP9000s were. If they were still around whenI was ready to buy on TireRack, I'd have bought them again.
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