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Old 08-29-2005, 07:40 PM   #1
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Well im in the market for a borla header and I want to know your experiences with them. I've searched a little bit and have looked over here (which is extremely helpful) but I want to hear some feedback from you guys. Basically what I want to know is the reliablity of them. Will they last? Were you satisfied with the purchase? why/whynot? Would you do it again? Do the gen IV still tend to crack?

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Old 08-29-2005, 07:57 PM   #2
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I think most people that have them on the boards are pretty happy with them. I think I only know of one person that doesn't like them due to rattling and whatnot. Definitely do a search for "Borla header" and read up. Like I said, most seem pretty happy with Borla.
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Old 08-29-2005, 08:03 PM   #3
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There are two questions you need to ask.. Do you want performance or sound? and.. How much do you want to spend?

borlas are a great low price option to get small gains, great sound and keep most people happy.

in short. Yes it will most likely crack. My new gens have cracked, and been replaced, and cracked again. Borla is good about replacing them.

butt dyno:
you will see small amounts of gains on the low end. slim to no improvement in the top.

sound: amazing rumbling spaced out exhaust pulses
here is a Link to a video of my car . 02 rs with borla headers, 2.25 inch midpipe, scoobysport axleback.


Mine will most likely be for sale within the next month as i am planning on upgrading to TWE equal length headers. Do some searching around the NA forums to learn more. there have been multiple header threads within the past month alone!!! Keywords are equal length, unequal length, borla, twe, cobb , brullen, borla replica, mrt.
look at Rallitek.com, cobbtuning.com, techworkseng.com,
If you dont know of rs25.com join that forum as well.
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Old 08-29-2005, 08:05 PM   #4
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is his outback 2.5L or was it the outback sport that was 2.5L. if its 2.2 you are stuck with the borlas
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^^^ Sounds nice man. What else have you done?
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Old 08-29-2005, 08:07 PM   #6
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Old 08-29-2005, 08:08 PM   #7
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Old 08-29-2005, 08:10 PM   #8
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I had a set of Borla's, got them new at cost (the joys of working ina shop) so I didn't feel ripped off when I got them on my car and noticed very little difference in performance. Sound was a little grumblier, the car "felt" faster but really wans't. It's one of those sounds faster and revs a little better/smoother so much BE faster. But the same people were just as much faster than me as before. The car did feel a little better though and for some people that is enough. I kept them for about 6 months then sold them. If I were to do it again I definitely would NOT buy them and would instead buck up for EL Headers.
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Old 08-29-2005, 08:21 PM   #9
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sound: amazing rumbling spaced out exhaust pulses
here is a Link to a video of my car . 02 rs with borla headers, 2.25 inch midpipe, scoobysport axleback.
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There's something to be said about that sound. I'm not a ricer or at least I don't think I am but that sounds really nice. I like it a lot. Gotta get my single port Borlas installed right dangit.
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Old 08-29-2005, 08:28 PM   #10
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is his outback 2.5L or was it the outback sport that was 2.5L. if its 2.2 you are stuck with the borlas
My car has the 2.5L. The Outback Sport is the model that has the 2.2L. The problem I have is...I truly don't have or want to spend alot of money. I'm 17. I'm cheap. I surely don't want to spend 750+ just on ONE mod...and for that one mod to make the overall sound of the car to be less attractive. I think the EL headers are out of the park in my mind. I have around 800 to work with. What would YOU buy? I will be having the car for a couple more years and then probably upgrading to the famous WRX once in college.

So..what are some worthwhile mods that'll last for a couple years?
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Old 08-29-2005, 08:29 PM   #11
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+1 for borla. Yes, they aren't really a performance increase, but my god how they sound.

Furthermore, I've had these for about two years and have had NO cracking, no clanking, nothing. They've been just fine.

Here is a video of my car (borla headers, custom 2.25 midpipe hooked to a 3 inch perrin dual tip axleback. No resonators)

Pardon the crap quality, its from my cellphone.

CLICK ME!

OR ME!

OR EVEN ME!

Sorry, had to whore out my car a bit
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Old 08-29-2005, 08:34 PM   #12
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My car has the 2.5L. The Outback Sport is the model that has the 2.2L. The problem I have is...I truly don't have or want to spend alot of money. I'm 17. I'm cheap. I surely don't want to spend 750+ just on ONE mod...and for that one mod to make the overall sound of the car to be less attractive. I think the EL headers are out of the park in my mind. I have around 800 to work with. What would YOU buy? I will be having the car for a couple more years and then probably upgrading to the famous WRX once in college.

So..what are some worthwhile mods that'll last for a couple years?
Btw, I know what you're going through. I'm 20 and struggling through college with money, so I don't have much for the car. Don't worry about EL's in your situation. Get borlas, and have a decent ride. Some of us subie purists are going to push the EL's because of their performance increase. If you're cheap, do borla. You'll be happy with them.

Furthermore, the easiest mods that'll last for years are going to be suspension. Get decent rims/tires or upgrade to a set of shocks and springs. Or a rear sway is an excellent option for handling, and will only cost you about 150-200 depending on company.

You can also increase handling in a variety of ways with different bushing sets. Upgrade your steering rack bushings with a set of Whitelines. It'll only cost you about 30 bucks. Or change the endlink bushings.

There are plenty of options. However, when it comes to engine mods, don't expect much for little money. Doing a catback exhaust would be a great option and can be had for about 200 bucks if you get a good shop to do a custom catback system for you. Throw on a magnaflow muffler and you'll have yourself a quality exhaust for not too much money. On our N/A's, you have to pump in a lot of money to get significant results with engine mods. Go with suspension mods first and you'll be able to take the car harder in turns and have a much more enjoyable ride for yourself.

Hope some of that helps.
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ok so you have the 2.5. at least then you have options. the cobb headers arent THAT expensive. and if you have like a stromung catback you will love the sound. its still a boxer engine, the EL headers dont eliminate all of the sound.
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Old 08-29-2005, 08:53 PM   #14
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my borla's rattled until i took them off
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Old 08-29-2005, 09:01 PM   #15
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HolyCrikey, thats my problem. All of the aftermarket strut/spring combos WILL lower the car. One of the main reasons why I got the OB was because of the raised suspension. I like the rear sway bar idea though.

Catback - 300
Used Cobb CAI - 200
RSB - 200

would I be satisfied with this weak setup?
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HolyCrikey, thats my problem. All of the aftermarket strut/spring combos WILL lower the car. One of the main reasons why I got the OB was because of the raised suspension. I like the rear sway bar idea though.

Catback - 300
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[b]RSB - 200[b]

would I be satisfied with this weak setup?
you can get a brand new 20mm rear bar for like $80
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Old 08-29-2005, 09:06 PM   #17
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I bet you would. if you want to lower it, look for some legacy suspension. I think they're a good 1-2 " lower than the outback.

I have all the above on my car.
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Old 08-29-2005, 10:43 PM   #18
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^^^^^

Hmm... Yup, I'm not sure of any other performance springs for the OBS.

As to if you'll be satisfied? Depends. I was satisfied for bout a month, but then I got bored. Thus, I'll need a WRX within a year. But I know I'll get bored with that. So I'll need an STI

It's like that whole damn "If you give a mouse a cookie" thing... I just need more!!!

I think you'll definitely like the improved sound and it'll get you at least some noticeable increase in torque and hp from the setup.

I'd definitely suggest rims and tires though. Exterior mods always seem to please. And it'll definitely be better when it comes to handling if you get some decent rubber.
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Old 08-30-2005, 09:02 AM   #19
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a few points:
Suspension mods will produce the best bang for buck in your situation.

You will be happy with borla headers. It is in your price range, great sound, small gains. Just dont expect it to make your car into a rocket. As others have said you need quite a bit of cash to get the ej25 to be fast. but thats not to say that with a few easy mods you cant have a quick, extremely fun car.

your cobb intake, catback, borla headers and rear swaybar plan is a great start. you will definately be happy with this. but you wont want to settle!!! This is where it begins, and you will keep wanting more!


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^^^ Sounds nice man. What else have you done?
heres some laughs to show the addiction!!! Listing everything for fun and to prove the wanting more point!:
Cobb intake, borla headers, 2.25 inch unresonated midpipe, scoobysport axleback, Gfb LW/underdriven pulleys, Exedy sport clutch, exedy lw flywheel, BPM short throw, sti ti shift knob, adjustable pedals!, kartboy shifter bushings, Kartboy Exhaust hangers (Great Mod), whiteline steering rack bushings, Whiteline Sport anti lift kit, Whiteline front swaybar, cusco adj rear swaybar, eibach pro-kit springs, KYB-AGX adjustable struts, Group N Strut top mounts, cusco front and rear strut bars, momo jet 350 mm steering wheel, boss splash hub, autometer guages, 2.5rs headrest embroidery, falken azenis, my rims are now sprayed gold. wrx hood swap. fake carbon fiber sidemarkers, Jun Eyelids, old school red 2.5rs badge!

car goes into the shop TOMMORROW! for a leaking headgasket. she will come out with Cometic Gaskets, TWE stage 2 cams, TWE Valvesprings/retainers, Perfect Power ECU tune, Group N Tranny mount.
within the month TWE Equal length headers and resonated midpipe will be ordered, and i should be semi close to keeping up with stock wrx's in the lower gears

ha ive had to keep editing this post as i remember more parts that are on the car!

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Old 08-30-2005, 10:41 AM   #20
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so that kinda shakey rumbly exhaust note is done with unequal length headers? cuz that sounds mint!!!

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yeah it wont be nearly as pronounced with equal length headers, but from the majority of sound clips floating around the site, it still keeps a mean sound.
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Old 08-30-2005, 11:01 AM   #22
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Nice list man. Looks like a pretty badass car.
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Old 08-30-2005, 11:25 AM   #23
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as it sits now its still quite slow! its quick in the twisties and on an autocross course though.
with the cams and PP tuning it should be a great improvement.
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I've been researching the Borla Header topic alot myself. Here's my results:

1. They sound AWESOME. True Subie boxer sound that nobody else fully delivers. And it doesn't seem to matter what you do from the header back, it's SUBARU.

2. Buy new. Older generations had problems with cracking. Buying new you make sure you don't have this problem. www.boxer4racing.com seems to have the best price. If you find a better price, PM me cuz I wanna know it.

3. They're half the price or less than the equal length headers out there, even though power gains won't be as big as the EL's, you still get 75% of the gains at 50% or less the price. Can't go wrong there.

4. Take a video clip when it's all said and done. I need to add to my collection. They all just sound so damn good.
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you still get 75% of the gains at 50% or less the price.
See, I don't think anyone will argue the sound aspect, but plenty of people argue the gains that you get from them. Most people that have the Borla header say that they barely noticed any gains, but are very happy with the sound. Some even refer to it as a "sound mod" only, although I don't see how it can not give you at least SOME gains considering you are improving on the airflow. I think this will continue to be an interesting topic for a while. I guess it depends on just how far you want to go with your Suby. If you want power you have to pay for it. Nonetheless, this is still very interesting.
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