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Old 08-30-2005, 09:45 PM   #1
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Default Avon Tech or BFGoodrich?

trying to decide between the Avon Tech M550 A/S and the BFGoodrich G-Force KDWS. They are priced the same for a 205/55/16 tire, but the Avon Tech has better specs. Is a number a number and the better overall ratings the better the tire? or am I overlooking something?

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Old 08-30-2005, 11:16 PM   #2
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http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/...ch_m550_as.jsp

Tirerack did test of all seasons. Unfortunately, KDWS was not included. Avon's did really well and I think it was cheapest of the lot. Avon tires are a bit on the heavy side though.

edit: I'm planning on a set of Avon Techm500(non A/S) for my next set of tires. I have a dedicated set of snow tires.
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Old 08-30-2005, 11:42 PM   #3
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Of those two, I'd get the Avon Tech M550 A/S.
I'd also look at BFGoodrich Traction T/A V 205/50/16 or H speed rating 205/55/16.
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Old 08-31-2005, 12:33 AM   #4
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thanks, I think I'm going to go with the avons since they seem better overall, and have better snow traction...which is a plus because I'll be taking the car up to tahoe. I just wanted to know if there was something I was overlooking by only looking at the ratings
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Old 08-31-2005, 02:06 AM   #5
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I had the same question, but if I'm not mistaken, the AVON is a lot heavier, which gave nod to the BFG. I ended up with the G-Force Sport, and couldn't be happier.
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Old 08-31-2005, 02:40 AM   #6
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Have a set of G-force sports in the garage they'll go on my new wheels next week. I'll keep ya posted. Tirerack has great pricing on them right now. You can get discount tire to match them and get discounts mail in 50 dollar rebate. ends up being 310 shipped for a set of 225-45-17's i bet the smaller size will be even less expensive =)
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Old 08-31-2005, 02:56 AM   #7
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hmmm....does discount tire price match in the store too? I know most companies would in-store price match from online stores, but discount tire is pretty close to me, and I like their service...just not the best prices. also, do you know if they price match if they have to order the tire?

EDIT: scratch that....discount tire doesnt carry avon tech, and I want to get them over the bfgoodrich because of the improved snow traction

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Old 08-31-2005, 02:42 PM   #8
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Avon Tech M550: 23 lbs. in 205/55x16
BFG T/A KDWS: 24 lbs
Pirelli Pzero Nero M&S: 21 lbs.
Dunlop SP5000: 21 lbs.

BFG G-force sports are not all-season, will not work in snow. they weigh 23 lbs. though - same as Avon Tech M550

I would recommend the SP5000's based on Luke@TireRack's previous comments on their snow traction vs. the Pirelli's.

weight differences - what do they mean:

going from 21 lb. RE92's to 23 lb. Avons will add 2 lbs. per wheel unsprung weight. In a worst case scenario, it will also add a total of 9.9 lbs in rotational weight for a total of 17.9 lbs additional weight - again, worst case. but since the wheels are stock and are not changing, you can expect that not to be a realistic number.

How much slower will your linear acceleration be adding 17.9 lbs? your lateral acceleration should improve if the tires you choose outperform the RE92's - as they would in this case. That leaves the 2lbs. per tire increase in unsprung weight. think you can notice that? less unsprung weight improves the suspension's ability to handle bump. by the way, 2lbs. isn't much difference - doubt in a blind test any of you could feel it.

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Old 08-31-2005, 04:18 PM   #9
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Personally I think the user ratings are useless for the Avon's currently. Very few owners have over 5000 miles on them and likely in new tire glee especially since most any replacement for beaten old tires is a significant improvement.

People rate their tires with <500 miles on them which is useless since they have not even broken in yet..
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Old 08-31-2005, 04:51 PM   #10
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Avon Tech M550: 23 lbs. in 205/55x16
BFG T/A KDWS: 24 lbs

BFG G-force sports are not all-season, will not work in snow. they weigh 23 lbs. though - same as Avon Tech M550

By the way, 2lbs. isn't much difference - doubt in a blind test any of you could feel it.
1. I was looking at tires that were 225/40/18, the AVON is 27 lbs, a FAT CAT by any standard, the GFS is 22 lbs.
2. The G-Force Sport isn't all-season, but will work in snow.
3. I can feel 5 lbs at each corner.
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Old 08-31-2005, 08:13 PM   #11
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I've put a bit over 4K miles on my M500s, and I like 'em quite well.

You don't notice the extra unsprung mass b/c their dynamic limits are waaaaaay higher than the RE92s, and they just stay planted.

Big thumbs up for low noise and good ride comfort -- expansion joints come thru more than with the marshmallow 92s, but that only figures.

Great in the rain, and I have yet to make them scream in the dry.]

The only problem with them thus far is that I needed a total of 8 tires to get four that would balance properly.

For $80 a pop, they're a very nice tire.
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Old 09-01-2005, 12:50 AM   #12
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the g-force KDWS tires ARE all-season tires, the KDW's and KDW 2's are the ones that are summer tires. I guess I'll go with the BFG's. the snow rating isnt great, but its not like I'm going to be doing daily driving in deep snow....just maybe 2 weeks total over the whole season....at about 6k feet elevation
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Old 09-01-2005, 01:07 AM   #13
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although the avons did about the same as the potenza re950's in a TireRack test...I'm just confussed...maybe I'll jus pull names out of a hat. If I pop a tire at a rallyX...both companies have road hazard programs...so they'll be replaced for cheap
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Old 09-01-2005, 01:38 AM   #14
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Default aaaaaaaand another post by me

I found some specs (not user ratings) for each tire in the 205/55 16 size

AVON TECH:
  • Uniform Tire Quality: 360 AA A
  • Max Load: 1356 lbs.
  • Max Inflation Pressure: 51 PSI
  • Tread Depth: 11/32nds
  • Rim Width Range: 5.5" - 7.5"
  • Measuring Rim Width: 6.5"
  • Section Width: 8.5"
  • Tread Width: 7.5"
  • Overall Diameter: 24.5"
  • Revs Per Mile: 834

BFGoodrich
  • Rim Width Range: 6" - 8"
  • Section Width on Measuring Rim Width: 9.2" on 7"
  • Overall Diameter: 24.9"
  • Tread Depth: 10/32nds
  • Revs Per Mile @ 45 MPH:836
  • Max Load: 1388 lbs @ 44 PSI

Unfortunately, to me, all this info is not quite as clear as "'C' is for cookie" so I'm trusting you people to tell me which tire is better (although they both seem pretty comperable)
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Old 09-02-2005, 01:26 AM   #15
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even though no one seems to be following this thread anymore, I thought I'd share...I ordered the Avons today and will get them put on in a week or so no more bald RE92's for me
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Old 09-02-2005, 09:06 AM   #16
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Quote:
Originally Posted by andyfish
Personally I think the user ratings are useless for the Avon's currently. Very few owners have over 5000 miles on them and likely in new tire glee especially since most any replacement for beaten old tires is a significant improvement.

People rate their tires with <500 miles on them which is useless since they have not even broken in yet..
I agree. Plus, the Avons were introduced late last year making the snow reviews even less reliable.
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Old 09-02-2005, 09:39 AM   #17
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I had the KDWS and while they were great when it was warm, they gave up traction VERY quickly as the temp dropped. Anything below 50 degrees and you could easily feel it and anything below 25 degrees made them a bit hairy to drive even in the dry.

Overall snow traction I would rate a small step below the RE92 (which really aren't that bad of a snow tire when there's ample tread). The tread design just didn't seem to clear itself very well and would often get caked. They were fine in a dusting or so, but really rather poor in sticky deep slush or deeper snow at around a few inches.

It's very much a tire for areas that will only see very little snow and rarely get far below freezing.

My Pirellis have been much better on temperature indifference, they barely feel any different when the temp drops into the sub 20s as they do when it's warmer.

I plan on giving the Avons a try sometime in 2006 when I have to replace my pirellis unless something even newer and better rolls around. I'm still trying to find just the right balance of summer performance and winter traction. The pirellis come close, but I would like a touch more winter traction.
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