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Old 08-31-2005, 01:46 AM   #1
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Thumbs up Aussie 18' skiff world championships, in S.F. now

These are some of the most rad boats on the planet. The actual hull is limited to 18'. There are not a whole lot of other rules... It's an open design rule but they have sort of stabilized design in the last decade. The sail controls have been refined to simplicity because all your attention really needs to be focused on not crashing. Think of racing a go-kart with an 800 hp engine stuck on wide-open-throttle 100% of the time.

http://www.sailingscuttlebutt.com/photos/05/18-SF/

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Old 08-31-2005, 01:48 AM   #2
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Thank you Thank you Thank you

I had no idea this was going on this week.....crap how am I going to go midweek!

I MUST go photograph this somehow............
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Old 08-31-2005, 01:50 AM   #3
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Argh I cant locate a decent schedule for this.......
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Old 08-31-2005, 01:53 AM   #4
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Every say starting around noon. Boat prep starting around 9:00 a.m.

If I had to guess, I'd say St. Francis Yacht Club (by the Golden Gate Bridge) and Crissy Field and the city front between Alcatraz and Fisherman's Wharf.
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Old 08-31-2005, 02:16 AM   #5
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Have fun!

Nothen cool going on around here.
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Old 08-31-2005, 06:49 AM   #6
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Aawwww man . Wish I was there. Those races are such a blast to watch. Riding one of these skiffs looks like such an adrenaline rush!!
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Old 08-31-2005, 07:09 AM   #7
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Wait.... people race skiffs? You mean, some fool took a boat with no centerboard, designed to go fishing/crabbing in shallow marshes because it has such a shallow draft...... and decided to race it?!

Wow... lunatics. Still must be fun to watch though
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Old 08-31-2005, 07:49 AM   #8
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How fast do these things go?
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Old 08-31-2005, 09:25 AM   #9
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That's a lot of sail for a super small boat

Looks fun.
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Old 08-31-2005, 03:25 PM   #10
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Wait.... people race skiffs? You mean, some fool took a boat with no centerboard, designed to go fishing/crabbing in shallow marshes because it has such a shallow draft...... and decided to race it?!
In essence, yes. Albeit, highly evolved. They have centerboards now. I have a photo in my home office from the '60s with Roger Welch (a late friend of my father's) helming TraveLodge in Oz. He was a national champ in I14 in college and at the time I think he was the first Yank to give the 18s a go. He was in his 40s at the time which is amazing considering the agility and reflexes these things take. One of his crew was a good friend Bob Kettenhofen in his young 20s. The 18s have been very much refined since then. They are all carbon fiber, of course, including the sails.

Many racing sailboats evolved from working boats.


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Total lunatics. They used to be pretty much local to Sydney Harbor, Australia.

They don't use gasolene.
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Old 08-31-2005, 03:28 PM   #11
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In essence, yes. Albeit, highly evolved. They have centerboards now.
Then it's not really a skiff, now is it?
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Old 08-31-2005, 03:45 PM   #12
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Here's a picture of an early 18 from the 1800s.

The main boom on this boat was 32' on an 18' boat.

They had up to 25 crew in those days just to balance them from tipping over. Modern skiffs derive a lot of their stability from raw speed.

Videos here: http://www.18footer.org/Videos/Default.aspx

Throughout the world, different regions have has extreme sail classes. The Aussie 18 has been gathering momentum as a world class and the crazy sailors are dropping regional boats and hopping on this class.

They used to have high speed power boats follow the racers around with paying passengers placing and changing bets while oddsmakers made adjustments as the races progressed. But for the last decade or so, in any sort of decent wind, the boats go too fast for spectators to be comfortable or safe.
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Old 08-31-2005, 04:54 PM   #13
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How fast do these things go?
25 knots easy

If you have the $$$ and are interested buy these DVDs:







FROM APS HERE

I have the second 2 and they are awesome. These boat go faster than the wind by quite a bit. While watching the DVDs, you sort of get used to how fast they go, then at one point the zoom in on the spray on the rack and how fasts the boats going and it's

I used to own an I-14 with is the little brother of these, and they are sick enough to have a lot of fun. I live on the east coast and wish we had a fleet of something fun like 49ers, Musto skiffs, or something, but we can't even sustain a vecotr fleet here (crappy boat BTW)

Wish I could get out on one of these somehow, but they never come to the east coast...

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Old 08-31-2005, 04:59 PM   #14
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Here's a picture of an early 18 from the 1800s.

The main boom on this boat was 32' on an 18' boat.

They had up to 25 crew in those days just to balance them from tipping over. Modern skiffs derive a lot of their stability from raw speed.

Videos here: http://www.18footer.org/Videos/Default.aspx

Throughout the world, different regions have has extreme sail classes. The Aussie 18 has been gathering momentum as a world class and the crazy sailors are dropping regional boats and hopping on this class.

They used to have high speed power boats follow the racers around with paying passengers placing and changing bets while oddsmakers made adjustments as the races progressed. But for the last decade or so, in any sort of decent wind, the boats go too fast for spectators to be comfortable or safe.
so these people cant handle doing like 28mph in a powerboat watching these sailboats?
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Old 08-31-2005, 05:04 PM   #15
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so these people cant handle doing over 30 knots in a powerboat watching these sailboats?
Yep. Rough water and city clothes. They were puking and falling down and everything!
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BTW SRT4 is F4st3r

even faster sailboat, VO70:






And I figured I'd mention, I know watching sailboat racing is like watching paint dry for most people (including sailors) but watching 18s is sort of like watching go cart racing with drunks driving the carts. The spped is go cart like and so is the handleing, but the drunk part is because these 18s crash a lot! Where as sailing on a skiff is a whole nother story. Crazy hard, fast, fun, but your reactions have to be split second quick or it's swimming lesson time....

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That's HOT!

I wish I were up north!

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Love those boat, had some out sailing around us when I was out there for the 29er worlds. Have been out there a few times for 49er competitions and the 18s would go flying past us. Have never had a boat go past me so fast in my life. I am waiting for the Volvo Ocean Race to start next.

Let the video load then click on the race in the upper left to get and idea of what these crews go through.

http://www.volvocars.com/_campaigns/.../new_start.htm

And a little open 60 tri action too.

http://www.multis-online.com/popup_video.php
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Argh.....I dont think I can get up to SF this week afterall......really bummed as it would be great to get some shots of these guys blasting accross the bay.
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BTW SRT4 is F4st3r

even faster sailboat, VO70:






And I figured I'd mention, I know watching sailboat racing is like watching paint dry for most people (including sailors) but watching 18s is sort of like watching go cart racing with drunks driving the carts. The spped is go cart like and so is the handleing, but the drunk part is because these 18s crash a lot! Where as sailing on a skiff is a whole nother story. Crazy hard, fast, fun, but your reactions have to be split second quick or it's swimming lesson time....

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I currently work for ABN-AMRO. One of the people in my department won a contest and got sent to Amsterdam to christen the new racing boat ABN-AMRO 1. Kinda cool
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Old 08-31-2005, 08:51 PM   #21
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The new mega-maxi's are cool: Alfa Romeo and Maximus. Mari Cha IV is pretty cool too. The thing with these boats is that they have not yet been pushed really hard. They can sort of loaf along and still break records.

Here is Mari Cha IV using 40' containers as a shipping cradle:


The nav station looks cool. Check out the carbon fiber Sparcos! I think the navigator is playing World of Warcraft...


And for you New Yorkers, Ellen McArthur's 75' trimaran is sitting in North Cove harbor -- by 9/11 ground zero -- waiting for a weather window to have a go at the single-handed transAtlantic record. The ante is up so high on that one now that it is imperative to hitch a ride with the perfect weather system. Ellen's last attempt failed in the last 700 miles as the weather system moved away from her track.

I really love this crap. It is tailor-made for gear-heads. The technology is so high.

Sailing old America's Cup boats is fun. Recognize this OT mod?
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Have to love the new Alfa Romeo, But I am waiting for the new Wild Oats, made out of the same hull mold as Alfa, but with some of the knowledge gained from the Alfa program put into her foils and rig.

Interior
http://www.alfaromeo.com.au/default....ticle&ID=17875

And undersail
http://www.alfaromeo.com.au/default....ticle&ID=17977
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I thought the title said 18" Aussie stiff is world champion.
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I thought the title said 18" Aussie stiff is world champion.


And all the girls said:

In a cost-saving move, the size of the sails for Maximus were limited to what could be handled by Harken's largest "off-the-shelf" winches. The owner did not want to pay to have harger winches engineered and built because it would have added, what? one percent to the cost of the boat?
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The nav station looks cool. Check out the carbon fiber Sparcos! I think the navigator is playing World of Warcraft...
I think that's nobletec actually, but for mari cha there is a lot of white on the screen...

I've been lucky enough to log about 14k offshore miles in my life between Antigua and Newport RI, so I get to see a lot of these boats up close. My Dad and I both love these things so when we are down in the islands we grab some beers and go "walk the docks" to check them all out and motor through the harbor. These things are impressive enough in pictures, but getting up close and personal is a whole nother story.

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