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Old 08-31-2005, 11:58 AM   #1
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Question New tires for stock wheels (Search done)

I'm thinking of keeping my stock wheels and getting some max performance tires since I live in Texas and don't have to worry about snow. I don't want to go to big 225 because of bulging side walls so I'm going to stay in the 205...215 range. My top priorty is dry handling, then wet handling, then tread wear and road noise about the same. any ideas? No auto-x

Also i've heard that some tires are actuly a little wider than the say they are...anyone know which these are.

Also any pics of max performance 205's or 215's on stock wheels....and maybe 225's if anyone is running them.

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Old 08-31-2005, 12:14 PM   #2
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Best thing to do is go to this page and look at the results. It will give you all the answers you initially need. From there, you can check out each specific tire for descriptions, prices, reviews, specs, etc.
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/survey...jsp?type=UHPAS

This is for the 16" tire. You can work your way backwards and do the same thing for a 17" tire as well, if you want.
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Old 08-31-2005, 12:59 PM   #3
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Best thing to do is go to this page and look at the results. It will give you all the answers you initially need.
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/survey...jsp?type=UHPAS
he specifically asked for advice on max performance tires - lives in Texas and does not need snow capability - and you pointed him towards a survey on all-season tires?

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I'm thinking of keeping my stock wheels and getting some max performance tires since I live in Texas and don't have to worry about snow. I don't want to go to big 225 because of bulging side walls so I'm going to stay in the 205...215 range. My top priorty is dry handling, then wet handling, then tread wear and road noise about the same...No auto-x
here are the usual suspects - all prices for 205/55x16 size.

Hankook RS-2 Z212: unreal dry, never tested in wet but ok by most user's experience, $85 shipped from DiscountTireDirect.com
Falken FK451: unreal wet, excellent dry, extensively tested - see Falken's European website or search under my name, $76 shipped from Discount, I own 'em in 225/45x17, not very quiet
Kumho MX: similar in performance to the Hankooks both dry and wet - test results on TireRack's website, $99 from TireRack

slightly lower in performance, quieter and longer wearing:
Avon Tech 500: $81 @ TireRack, test results on TireRack's website
Falken ST115: $74 @ Discount, never tested, nothing but rave reviews from users on this board.

may want to check out this thread:

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=834090

you have an incredible resource in Austin for tire mounting, balancing, alignment and suspension work: Bill Kim @ Soulspeed. They are a TireRack recommended installer, so you can have TireRack drop-ship the tires to them if you buy from them. I drove from Houston to use them based on their rep in the TX forum:

http://www.soulspeed.com

not cheap and worth every penny

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Old 08-31-2005, 08:38 PM   #4
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he specifically asked for advice on max performance tires - lives in Texas and does not need snow capability - and you pointed him towards a survey on all-season tires?
OK. So I was a little off. Well, with a little computer savy, extremely little, he could have used that to find this:
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/survey...ay.jsp?type=MP

It's not like I sent him over to the lingerie section, is it?
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Consider smaller tires too, like 205/50-16. These will give you an apparent final drive of 4.03 vs the stock 3.90. What this means to you is 3% faster acceleration from 0 to top speed as well as a reduced strain on your drivetrain due to the better mechanical advantage. Too many pay attention to width and forget to consider the advatages of smaller.
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OK. So I was a little off. Well, with a little computer savy, extremely little, he could have used that to find this:
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/survey...ay.jsp?type=MP

It's not like I sent him over to the lingerie section, is it?
no, it's worse because you continually post these survey results as if they were some sort of holy grail of tire information - they're not. at best, they are useful in helping to determine noise and wear characteristics - for performance purposes they are virtually useless. Jon said it better here:

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=837672

TireRack spends lot of money doing objective tests on their test track every year - that's where you should be directing people's attention. the surveys are simply consumer generated numbers, usually based upon their very limited experience with OEM tires. Consider the average WRX owner who upgrades from the RE92's to Pirelli Pzero Nero M&S and thinks he's found God's own tires in the process.

to say nothing of all those negative reviews of great tires due to the wrong cold pressures, bad alignment settings, wrong size tires and wheels, and quite commonly giving a tire a negative review in the first 500 miles when it's still breaking in - see it all the time here on these boards. it's much worse in the TireRack surveys...
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Consider smaller tires too, like 205/50-16. These will give you an apparent final drive of 4.03 vs the stock 3.90. What this means to you is 3% faster acceleration from 0 to top speed as well as a reduced strain on your drivetrain due to the better mechanical advantage.
205/50x16, 215/45x16, 215/50x16, 215/45x17, 235/40x17, and 245/40x17 will all offer a gearing advantage for RS and WRX's. you can have both a gearing advantage and greater lateral grip if you want

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=837778

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...ght=rotational

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Too many pay attention to width and forget to consider the advatages of smaller.
spoken like someone who spends too much time driving in a straight line...
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Old 09-01-2005, 10:56 AM   #8
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no, it's worse because you continually post these survey results as if they were some sort of holy grail of tire information - they're not. at best, they are useful in helping to determine noise and wear characteristics - for performance purposes they are virtually useless. Jon said it better here:

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=837672

TireRack spends lot of money doing objective tests on their test track every year - that's where you should be directing people's attention. the surveys are simply consumer generated numbers, usually based upon their very limited experience with OEM tires. Consider the average WRX owner who upgrades from the RE92's to Pirelli Pzero Nero M&S and thinks he's found God's own tires in the process.

to say nothing of all those negative reviews of great tires due to the wrong cold pressures, bad alignment settings, wrong size tires and wheels, and quite commonly giving a tire a negative review in the first 500 miles when it's still breaking in - see it all the time here on these boards. it's much worse in the TireRack surveys...
OK. So, I have to do ALL the work for someone. Is that it? Are you saying that people can't figure out how to start from 1 point and move to another on the same website? Heck, how many people here can't even figure out, or don't want to, do a simple search? They just want someone to give them their answer for them and will keep asking the same question until they get the answer they want.

And just because people on this site post their reviews of a particular tire, it is really no different than reviews on Tire Rack's site. They are an individual's perception on their experience with a given tire. There is a lot more available on the Tire rack's website with useful information, but, come on, do I have to lead everyone by the hand and post every specific web page for them so they don't have to do any work on their own?

People here can just as easily post negative reviews because, they too, used "the wrong cold pressures, bad alignment settings, wrong size tires and wheels, and quite commonly giving a tire a negative review in the first 500 miles when it's still breaking in", just like you said.

And like you also said, it is just a tool, and a tool is a tool. It is something to be used, not as a Holy Grail. The review tables do have their value, and, imo, more than you are willing to give them credit for. But, there are other tests/reviews by Tire Rack's staff that also need to be read and you have to put it all together and weigh it all to make an informed decision.

And, besides that, I usually say something like, "This is a good place to start".
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Thank you for your concern....but i did manage to make the jump from one survey to the other...now if I could just get the right shoe on the right foot.

One question i still have is, which tires tread width is close to the section or overall width?
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spoken like someone who spends too much time driving in a straight line...
Yeah, that's me pretty much. My $16 worth of suspension upgrades can't take any more than straight line.
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Thank you for your concern....but i did manage to make the jump from one survey to the other...now if I could just get the right shoe on the right foot.

One question i still have is, which tires tread width is close to the section or overall width?
I'm sure you are quite capable and the clarification was not directed at you.

If this helps any:
If you go back to the Tire Rack's site, and choose a particular tire you are interested in, click on the "Specs" tab for that tire. It will bring you to a chart that will give you lots of measurements for that tire in all the sizes for that tire, ie; 15" - 19" overall diameters and the various sizes in those diameters.

You will see numbers for section width, tread width, etc. which, I believe, are based on the tire mounted on the "Measuring Rim Width", which would be the optimal rim width for that particular tire.

Only problem is that you will have to do this for each tire you are interested in.

One tire that I know runs wider than other tires in its size is the Bridgestone SO3. That is because the tread area squares off instead of rounds off as it does on say, a Michelin PS2.
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My wallet voted for the Falken FK-451 this summer, size 205/50/16. This is not the greatest comparison, but they're like night and day against the 195/60/15 RE92s that came on my car.

Far more sporty than the Dunlop SP Sport A2 16s I had previously too.
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hey, the correct tire on the stock rim does not bulge (225x50x16). Been running this size since day-one. Only put 0.6 miles on the stock tires. great grip, great braking footprint no rubbing EVER! Just make sure the tire willaccept a 6.5 inch rim width. Easy to find that out if you use tire rack, and check the specs. Looking forward to Goodyear Assurnace Triple tred next (less expesnsive than my RE-950s by about $55.00 per tire), and according to the tire rack, they out peroform the 950s in the big four areas I care about (steering response, dry and wet grip, snow). Always pays to check the specs!
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update: I've had the Triple-tred Goodyears for a week. Not a lot of miles on them, but I did take them to my fun spots for a comparo. I've set tire pressures at 39f/38r. I think these tires like the higher pressure, but I need to test a bit more.
Comparison to the RE-950 so far: It hasn't rained much since I bought the tires, so most impressions are in the dry. Steering response is very quick, similar to the -950s. Grip is down a bit, the rear end wants to step out a bit sooner than the -950s would. I'm thinking of adding larger bars front and rear, but before I do that I want to test tire pressures more. Maybe run the rears a bit higher?
I've got three weeks left before I cross the do-not-return policy. These tires sure do look nice, escpecially in the 225x50x16 size.
Reality check: These tires are 80,000 mile tires. That means the tred compound would, no doubt, have less dry drip. So I am surpised that the dry grip is so close (and I loved how my -950s seldom squealed). These Goodyear Triple-treds give you reasonably fair warning when they've had enough of the Speed Racer line you've taken. How much can adjusting tire pressure, and adding larger bars help? I don't know. But I will find out. I have very high, but realistic expectations for these tires on a WRX. These are not considered high perfromance all-season tires. But they come close in the dry. If they perform well in the rain and in the snow, then I have a good deal on tires, at a good savings, that should last twice as long as the Bridgestone RE-950 in H-rating.
So they aren't as good in the dry. I need to slow dow n a bit anyway!
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