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Old 09-02-2005, 02:43 PM   #1
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Default can a stock wrx turbo squeeze enough juice for fmic?

I'm wondering if I run an accessport, catless up, catless 33'' exhaust, and full intake, AND A PROTUNE, can I squeeze enough boost to get a fmic in there and not have really really bad lag.
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Old 09-02-2005, 02:45 PM   #2
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I'm wondering if I run an accessport, catless up, catless 33'' exhaust, and full intake, AND A PROTUNE, can I squeeze enough boost to get a fmic in there and not have really really bad lag.

I think a 33" exhaust will be overkill and will make your car undrivable... I wouldn't put the FMIC onthe car, because you will experience more lag. You won't like it though....
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Old 09-02-2005, 02:47 PM   #3
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I think a 33" exhaust will be overkill and will make your car undrivable... I wouldn't put the FMIC onthe car, because you will experience more lag. You won't like it though....
Yeah, 33" will just drag on the ground.

And it sounds like you want the FMIC for looks... So, put it on, just don't hook it up...
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Old 09-02-2005, 02:48 PM   #4
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hahaha yea 33'' exhaust would push some serious air. no point in editing that, its all fun and games, anyways. heres my deal, I have no heat shield, and a front mounts the pimp shi*. so with combination of just plain wanting one, and getting nasssssty heat soak... I really couldnt get enough air through the turbo to boost it as fast as the top mount?
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Old 09-02-2005, 03:03 PM   #5
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hahaha yea 33'' exhaust would push some serious air. no point in editing that, its all fun and games, anyways. heres my deal, I have no heat shield, and a front mounts the pimp shi*. so with combination of just plain wanting one, and getting nasssssty heat soak... I really couldnt get enough air through the turbo to boost it as fast as the top mount?
Whats the hurt in trying? If it sucks... Upgrade the turbo..

I swear.. All you wagon owners are crazy anyways....
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Old 09-02-2005, 03:09 PM   #6
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FMIC will be fine
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Old 09-02-2005, 03:21 PM   #7
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which fmic? there's a big range of sizes...
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Old 09-02-2005, 03:23 PM   #8
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go with the injen then, one of the smallest
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Old 09-02-2005, 04:00 PM   #9
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I've been running the TXS FMIC on a stock turbo for over a year now. No discernable difference in lag. The little 13g has no problems pushing air through it IMHO. I have it on there b/c I'm going to an 18g in the spring time. It takes a good amount of time to install one but in the end its a good learning experience and a lot of fun.
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Old 09-02-2005, 04:35 PM   #10
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You may see a difference in power due to less heat soak...but you could accomplish that with a $50 heat shield. Unless you go get an IC custom built to match your set up I wouldnt recomend it. Its simply something you are doing for looks, thats all.

FMIC is overkill on the VFxx series turbos (minus the 22) so its going to be even worse on yours. The intercooler should suit your application and an FMIC doesnt suit yours.

Get a VF34 package and a cusco heat shield instead of the FMIC, and then go get a protune and you will have spent your money much much better.

Only get it if you plan on going with a bigger turbo in the future.
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Old 09-02-2005, 04:44 PM   #11
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Its simply something you are doing for looks, thats all.

FMIC is overkill on the VFxx series turbos (minus the 22) so its going to be even worse on yours.
gee, that's funny... 'cuz the people that actually HAVE front mounts on vf's--hell even stockers--say they work pretty well. the bottom line is more power, particularly on the highway. there's no way any TMIC can compete with the airflow a FMIC has at 80mph.

show me ONE instance that a front mount makes less power than a top mount...
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Old 09-02-2005, 04:48 PM   #12
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peak power or power under the curve? two very different things.

With the turbo placement on ours cars, just not worth a FMIC on a stocker IMHO.
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Old 09-02-2005, 04:50 PM   #13
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gee, that's funny... 'cuz the people that actually HAVE front mounts on vf's--hell even stockers--say they work pretty well. the bottom line is more power, particularly on the highway. there's no way any TMIC can compete with the airflow a FMIC has at 80mph.

show me ONE instance that a front mount makes less power than a top mount...
Never said it wouldnt make more power, said it would be overkill, meaning the money you are spending is much greater than the power you are gaining.
I simply said it would be much smarter to spend that money on a turbo or a damn heat sheild if the problem is simply heat soak.
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Old 09-02-2005, 05:01 PM   #14
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Why spend $800-1000 for a fmic when the gains will be little if any. Put the money towards something that you know will make you faster, a new turbo.
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Old 09-02-2005, 05:29 PM   #15
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peak power or power under the curve? two very different things.
how much lag do you think a front mount adds?
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Old 09-02-2005, 05:31 PM   #16
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Well for those people who havent actually tried a FMIC on their stock turbo'd car... make sure you use phrases like "in my opinion" or "I have heard" DO NOT try to pass your OPINION off as fact. Now that thats out of the way. I have been running a TurboXS FMIC on my '02 WRX for a few months now. I love it. Yes I noticed a very very slight amount of lag but the more consistent inlet temps and the lack of heat soak make it totally worth it. I have tried the larger STi hood scoop and aftermarket TMIC. Didnt like them, the Helix TMIC actually made less power than the stock TMIC so that got tossed less than 3 weeks after I bought it. Yes my FMIC is there for a turbo upgrade... but as of right now... everything is 100% perfect for me.
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Old 09-02-2005, 05:33 PM   #17
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Well then there you go, get the FMIC on the stocker and make 232whp, or spend the money on a used turbo and a protune and make 260+. All I'm saying is there are better ways for him to spend his money.
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Why spend $800-1000 for a fmic when the gains will be little if any. Put the money towards something that you know will make you faster, a new turbo.
how much do you think a new turbo costs?

how about injectors to feed that turbo?

folks... READ HIS QUESTION and answer it.

here, i'll make it easy for you:

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can I squeeze enough boost to get a fmic in there and not have really really bad lag.
scoobywagon, bvm and ejh25 have answered your question.

i asked you a follow up question that i haven't seen answered yet.

everybody else in this thread wants to answer questions you're not asking.
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Old 09-02-2005, 05:37 PM   #19
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heres my deal, I have no heat shield, and a front mounts the pimp shi*.
I was just saying that he could prevent that heat soak with a damn heat shield. Was trying to save him some money not answer his question.
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Well then there you go, get the FMIC on the stocker and make 232whp, or spend the money on a used turbo and a protune and make 260+. All I'm saying is there are better ways for him to spend his money.

Actually b4 you assume and put your foot in your mouth.. my 232awhp was made with only a TBE, UP and ECUtek. The FMIC has been added since. Also I would NEVER put a used turbo on my car.. but hey its your money and your car. Do what makes you happy.
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Old 09-02-2005, 05:43 PM   #21
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Opinions matter, you shouldnt simply answer the question you should help the person out.
Hypothetical Example: I have a vf34 I am about to order some 850cc injectors. Will they flow enough fuel?

Now do you answer "Yes that will be fine." or do you tell the person that a set of STi pinks will flow fine and cost a lot less?

In this case I opted for the latter. Sorry for trying to help.
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Old 09-02-2005, 05:56 PM   #22
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Agkelos I am not ragging on you but if you read the posts before my 1st one you will see why I stated it would be fine. TMIC vrs FMIC usually always ends up into flame wars on NASIOC.

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Old 09-02-2005, 06:32 PM   #23
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so I guess if I am going to do this, I will go for the injen because its smaller for size, and if I do go for bigger turbo, (vf34) it will all fit perfectly. you guys rag eachother SOOOO much. were all in it together. get it together
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Old 09-02-2005, 06:35 PM   #24
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Personally I think the Injen looks way too small. But thats just my opinion. Its purely a cosmetic thing, I am sure it would perform well though...
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how much lag do you think a front mount adds?

some. how much depends on the turbo, EM, tune, BC etc etc.
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