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Old 09-10-2005, 12:04 AM   #26
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I'm new to this so I have a stupid question

Do you have to pull the oil pump in order to remove the crank seal ?
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Old 09-10-2005, 12:39 AM   #27
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Not that I know of...

I'm doing it tomorrow, so if you can wait, I'll tell you and take pics.

Here's where I'm at tonight: http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...7&postcount=29

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Old 09-10-2005, 12:41 AM   #28
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Do you have to pull the oil pump in order to remove the crank seal ?
no, i had to reomve the timing belt, and then pull the crank sprocket, wich is the gear for the timing belt on the crank. once the crank sprocket is off, the crank seal is right there

before you do anything to take the timing belt off, you have to align the timing marks properly, and its a good idea to mark those marks really well on the belt itself too. just so there is no mistaking anything when you put back together. http://www.northursalia.com/m...elt/tbelt.html was very helfull for me. check it out!
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Old 09-10-2005, 12:48 AM   #29
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Dave, off topic q.... im curious why your alternater is red???
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Old 09-10-2005, 12:49 AM   #30
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no, i had to reomve the timing belt, and then pull the crank sprocket, wich is the gear for the timing belt on the crank. once the crank sprocket is off, the crank seal is right there

before you do anything to take the timing belt off, you have to align the timing marks properly, and its a good idea to mark those marks really well on the belt itself too. just so there is no mistaking anything when you put back together. http://www.northursalia.com/m...elt/tbelt.html was very helfull for me. check it out!
How do you get the crank seal out.

I understand the removal of the sprocket.....I just inspected mine behind the sprocket... But I cannot see how you would pull it out without removing the oil pump. Is it simply a matter of prying it out with a flat head screwdriver ?
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Old 09-10-2005, 01:09 AM   #31
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to get it out, im gonna try to use one of those curved dentist like tools. hook the rubber, and pull evenly around it. im hopeing it works well. the important thing ive been told, is to make sure you dont scratch or mark the crank.

i didnt have to remove the oil pump to pull the crank sprocket. in fact, i dont even know where the oilpump is....

ive also been told to lube the new seal properly, or else well be doing this job again.... my seal only has about 3 months on it... not too happy about that either... but oh well. atleast im more familiar with this area of the engine now!
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Old 09-10-2005, 01:44 AM   #32
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To remove a flush mounted lip type oil seal on a crankshaft or camshaft just VERY CAREFULLY drill a small hole in it and insert a small sheetmetal screw into the seal and pull it out with a pair of pliers.
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Old 09-10-2005, 02:13 AM   #33
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Dave, off topic q.... im curious why your alternater is red???
It's a 200a high-output alternator for my stereo/etc.

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Old 09-10-2005, 02:20 AM   #34
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It's a 200a high-output alternator for my stereo/etc.

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do you mind me asking where you bought it? and how much roughly. i could def use a higher amp alt. you dont get any bad ground type whining throught the stereo from it, do you?
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Old 09-10-2005, 02:26 AM   #35
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do you mind me asking where you bought it? and how much roughly. i could def use a higher amp alt. you dont get any bad ground type whining throught the stereo from it, do you?
You don't get any whining if you know how to install a stereo properly.

Bought it from Mid-West Electrical in TX.

Expect to pay around $260 plus shipping.

If you search "Alternator" in the car-audio forum, you'll find the info.

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Old 09-10-2005, 08:18 AM   #36
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To remove a flush mounted lip type oil seal on a crankshaft or camshaft just VERY CAREFULLY drill a small hole in it and insert a small sheetmetal screw into the seal and pull it out with a pair of pliers.

Very ingenius !

Glad I asked that question.

This trick will become handy in the future I am sure.

Thanks !
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Old 09-10-2005, 03:34 PM   #37
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I used a straight screwdriver.Punch it into the seal and twist the screwdriver a little to create friction and leverage it out. It won't just pop out. The top will come a little, then pry the bottom, the sides, until it comes out. Make sure *not* to damage the seal bore. If you feel better about the screw procedure, go for it. Good luck.

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Old 09-10-2005, 07:08 PM   #38
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got a new seal today, pulled the old one out. the screw idea worked really well. i used a 1/16" bit, and an angle drill to get in there. drill slow so you dont blow through the seal, and hit whats behind it with the bit.


heres some interesting things....
the seal that i removed, is differant than the one i bought today.... the one i bought todays' part number is identical to the one pictured earlier in the thread. the old seal, is black, the new one is brown. the numbers on the seals are differnat, the inside diameter is larger on the old seal. and maybe most interestingly, they feel like differant compound rubber. the old ( black) one, has stiffer rubber. the new one ( brown) has softer compound rubber. could that have anything to do with running mobil1 synthetic?????







and in this pic, you can see the brown one, ( new ) is below the old one, and has a smaller ID

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Old 09-11-2005, 12:33 AM   #39
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I drove 140 mi today (round trip) to pick up a rear main crank seal because it wasn't in my box of motor rebuild goodies =P

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Old 09-11-2005, 12:37 AM   #40
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i hear ya, i drove about 120 roundtrip for the seal today. all the suby dealers in Albuquerque, parts area is closed on weekends. i told the girl, so, all the ppl who work on there own cars, cant buy the parts they need when they relly need em? i was pissed, the suby dealer in sante fe's parts was open. about 60 miles each way. oh well.
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Old 09-11-2005, 12:56 AM   #41
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And if you think your seals are leaking:



=)

Today's pics: http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...2&postcount=30

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Old 09-11-2005, 01:33 AM   #42
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wow, thats bad!

im glad mine werent that bad.
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