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Old 09-11-2005, 08:49 AM   #1
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Default Anyone here running a Deadbolt Monster TD04

If so, what's your feedback? Did you really notice a signifigant difference? Dyno's and butt dynos appreciated.
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Old 09-11-2005, 11:23 AM   #2
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Old 09-11-2005, 01:01 PM   #3
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Thanx 4 the typical "Do a search" answer but I'm trying to get more than one opinion. But I do appreciate the link....the dyno graph was nice. Anyone else got one?
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Old 09-11-2005, 05:09 PM   #4
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I considered one pretty heavily until I did a search... mine as well save up for a VF series... as the benefits are nothing you can feel on the butt dyno.
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Old 09-11-2005, 07:27 PM   #5
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I called Jerry @ DB about one and he said at my whp level it really wouldnt be worth doing. And its not like 232whp is really high!
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Old 09-11-2005, 07:34 PM   #6
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I considered one pretty heavily until I did a search... mine as well save up for a VF series... as the benefits are nothing you can feel on the butt dyno.
My understanding is that it's a good holdover until you can afford to go the whole VF, injector, fuel pump upgrade.
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Old 09-11-2005, 11:22 PM   #7
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as the benefits are nothing you can feel on the butt dyno.
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Old 09-11-2005, 11:26 PM   #8
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How do you feel about running one on stock EM, or an untuned stage II? Can we still get a nasioc deal? I thought I remembered $200 + sending in our old turbo.
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I ran it on a Cobb basemap, and then had it Protuned. Gains were there in either situation, but more noticeable on the custom tune (obviously).

Benefits:
-quicker spool
-quicker turbo response from a roll
-smoother part throttle boost delivery
-slight power increase

Don't expect a "holy ****" kind of difference - you'd probably need a 16g or something for that. But, if you want to stay with the stock turbo, I'd consider it a worthwhile mod. I'm not sure I'd shell out the bucks to get one new, however. Buy it used or have an experienced local port it for you. I'm happy with mine, but I am realistic that it is more of a driveability mod than a power mod.
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I ran it on a Cobb basemap, and then had it Protuned. Gains were there in either situation, but more noticeable on the custom tune (obviously).

Benefits:
-quicker spool
-quicker turbo response from a roll
-smoother part throttle boost delivery
-slight power increase

Don't expect a "holy ****" kind of difference - you'd probably need a 16g or something for that. But, if you want to stay with the stock turbo, I'd consider it a worthwhile mod. I'm not sure I'd shell out the bucks to get one new, however. Buy it used or have an experienced local port it for you. I'm happy with mine, but I am realistic that it is more of a driveability mod than a power mod.
I'm thinking of doing this as a holdover. I'm still under my factory warranty and I'm kinda thinking that the Deadbolt TD04 might fly under the radar with the dealer.
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Old 09-12-2005, 12:59 AM   #11
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Scotty,

How do you feel about running one on stock EM, or an untuned stage II? Can we still get a nasioc deal? I thought I remembered $200 + sending in our old turbo.

....untuned isn't nearly as good as tuned....I played with my tune using my UTEC and it was GREAT...the car literally drove like a small NA v8 under the hood..the boost gauge needle would move so fast that it was

....but unless you go to extraordinary measures, you will not see more than ~220-230WHP
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Old 09-12-2005, 10:46 AM   #12
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My understanding is that it's a good holdover until you can afford to go the whole VF, injector, fuel pump upgrade.
Based on everything read on this board, you will achieve a noticeable difference in the bottom end of the performance spectrum (more low-end torque), but don't expect much, if any, HP gains. You are not changing the turbo size, just the internal air flow characteristics into and out of the turbo unit.

But, would you rather spend now for a "holdover" or save your money for a new, larger turbo in a little while, if you are considering going to a larger turbo.

And if you talk to Jerry@Deadbolt, he recommends larger injectors, pump and EM w/the Monster TD04. So, it will be more than just money for the ported TD04, if you want to do it right.
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the phamster had one and i eventually went and installed a small 16G from deadbolt. once you start modding, you just want more, so what is your goal?

i had one on a cobb stage 2 set up..
like somebody else stated, it is really a driveability mod than a power mod... i had noticed, is first and second gear is awesome, but anymore from that it is just like stock.. power is quick but it isnt anymore power.. just faster...so the area under the curve on the left side is just greater..

so depends on what you want..

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Old 09-12-2005, 07:21 PM   #14
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the phamster had one and i eventually went and installed a small 16G from deadbolt. once you start modding, you just want more, so what is your goal?

i had one on a cobb stage 2 set up..
like somebody else stated, it is really a driveability mod than a power mod... i had noticed, is first and second gear is awesome, but anymore from that it is just like stock.. power is quick but it isnt anymore power.. just faster...so the area under the curve on the left side is just greater..

so depends on what you want..

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As previously stated....I'm only thinking about this to fly under the radar with the dealer. I've already got the Cobb AP and StreetTuner. I don't understand why you would need larger injectors for the Monster TD04 I mean it's basically a P+P stock turbo? The low end spool up would keep me happy for a while until warranty is up in 1 1/2 years.
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I have one. I went stage2 the same time I got the P&P so it's hard to tell. what I can tell you is that my current setup continues to pull well past redline. I consider myself fairly conservative and I don't even like to hit redline (shifting a little before even under the hardest accelleration) but there have been a couple of time that it gets away from my and I don't realize that I've hit, well, way above. The local tuner says that the ported turbos tend to hold boost up top better.

However, if I had it to do over again, I'd probably go VF35.

I hope this helps.
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IIRC P&P stockers do flow a *bit* more air - hence the suggestion of larger injectors. But you can go about it other ways as well. You can throw in a Walbro and do the FPR mod, which would basically give you the flow of 550s for 1/4th the cost. As for me, I just threw in a Walbro (lowered IDCs about 5%) and had it tuned. I'm not really worried - my tuner left me enough headroom without giving up too much performance. If you just throw the Deadbolt on without injectors/fuel pump, your injectors will only come close to going static when it is cold outside, so you could always turn the boost down a bit.

A lot of people will say that you're wasting your time with a modified stock turbo, but keep in mind that your internals are under less stress at 230+ whp (with more low end) than they are at the 260+ whp of an IHI turbo. I haven't seen too many people on TD04s losing compression... Anyway, it's not always about ultimate power. Some people want a bit more power/driveability without the gearbox/engine issues that start to pop up more frequently as one nears 300 whp.

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No one should need more few with a P&P stock turbo. I'm arguably the hottest stock turbo'd car in the nation and my IDCs are fine. I guess it depends on your tuner though.

I also agree with peterex about driveability and reliability. With my setup, I have less HP then many aftermarket turbos. BUT, with my torque curve thanks to the P&P turbo and the tune, I have MANY aftermarket turbo people. 250 ft/lbs of torque at 3000 RPM is NO JOKE.
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No one should need more few with a P&P stock turbo. I'm arguably the hottest stock turbo'd car in the nation and my IDCs are fine. I guess it depends on your tuner though.

I also agree with peterex about driveability and reliability. With my setup, I have less HP then many aftermarket turbos. BUT, with my torque curve thanks to the P&P turbo and the tune, I have MANY aftermarket turbo people. 250 ft/lbs of torque at 3000 RPM is NO JOKE.
Sounds nice, UNA! I might go that route until my warranty is up then I think it's gonna be a Super16G 4 me!
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I think I'm gonna pick up a POS TD04 and get it converted to a Monster!
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I think I'm gonna pick up a POS TD04 and get it converted to a Monster!
A bit off topic, but I have a borked TD04 for sale if you are interested. The exhaust housing and turbine housing are currently split, so you could always send the whole thing to Deadbolt and get it rebuilt/ported (probably just needs a new bearing). Or, even easier than that, you can port the exhaust housing yourself and swap it onto the turbo you have right now. PM if interested.
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A bit off topic, but I have a borked TD04 for sale if you are interested. The exhaust housing and turbine housing are currently split, so you could always send the whole thing to Deadbolt and get it rebuilt/ported (probably just needs a new bearing). Or, even easier than that, you can port the exhaust housing yourself and swap it onto the turbo you have right now. PM if interested.
WOuld deadbolt even deem that as rebuildable?
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WOuld deadbolt even deem that as rebuildable?
Of course they would. Look under your hood at your stock turbo. There is a ring clamp that holds the exhaust housing to the turbine housing. In fact, in order to port or rebuild your turbo, the two halves must be separated anyway. As for the bearing, as I understand it, that is a routine part of any turbo rebuild.

You could always PM Jerry at Deadbolt and ask him to be 100% sure.
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Of course they would. Look under your hood at your stock turbo. There is a ring clamp that holds the exhaust housing to the turbine housing. In fact, in order to port or rebuild your turbo, the two halves must be separated anyway. As for the bearing, as I understand it, that is a routine part of any turbo rebuild.

You could always PM Jerry at Deadbolt and ask him to be 100% sure.
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I considered one pretty heavily until I did a search... mine as well save up for a VF series... as the benefits are nothing you can feel on the butt dyno.

Without engine management is what I meant.
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I'm running a Deadbolt TD04 with Cobb's Stage 2. Here's my dyno sheet:

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