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Old 08-21-2001, 02:26 AM   #1
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Ok folks,

Latest sighting:

2001 Chevy 4x4 extended cab pickup, with matchin camper shell painted dark gray-tan, dark window tint. Likes to loiter on c-470 and I-70 intersection area.

2001 Dodge intrepid. Black very dark tint. Santa Fe and Bowles blvd.

What ever happened to Entrapment Laws? Does colorado even have these laws?

If any one ever gets pulled over for illegal tint can you use there tints as a defense, ie the cops setting a poor example?

I usually always have a digital camera in my car so next time i see these little traffic enforcement jerks I will be sure to post a pic.

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Old 08-21-2001, 02:40 AM   #2
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i have a video camera in my car now.. just for such a case.
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Old 08-21-2001, 09:32 AM   #3
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What the heck do you mean by entrapment? They are using unmarked cars: guess what, they can do that- and unless you can prove with a lightmeter they have illegal tint, good luck on that defense....

And for your information, my dad's a "pig" and I'm getting tired of hearing the pigs this and the pigs that- why don't you go on a ride-along and see what being a "pig" is all about and then come on here and run your mouth...

I'm getting sick of this!

Profiling-wrong... real entrapment-wrong... unmarked cars-ok
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Old 08-21-2001, 10:20 AM   #4
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Sorry JJ, but I have to agree with all of them. I have been stopped just once out of about 20 times for a legitimate reason. Every *PIG* I have dealt with has lied to me, tried to intimidate me, and tried to convince me of laws that don't exist. That is why I carry a copy of most of the traffic laws for my state in my glove box so that when they start lying to me, I can prove them wrong to their face. I hate them all. I would say how I really feel about them, but I try to avoid puting such thins in writing

BTW, just a side note here, there was a cop that showed up to our last autocross. He normally races with the Corvette club. In a BSP Corvette, he was about 10 seconds behind me. Imagine that, a cop that can't drive worth a damn. Just reinforced my suspicions.
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Old 08-21-2001, 12:00 PM   #5
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Sorry guys, with JJ on this one.

Entrapment would be the Intrepid pulling up next to you on Sante Fe and gunning the engine for a race. You BOTH race at the green light and pass the legal posted limit to 85 MPH and then he pulls you over for Reckless Endangerment and Speeding. That is entrapment.

Guys you have to realize that in every line of work, you have good and bad WORKERS. Having said that, certain types of work attract certain types of people. Look at fighter pilots and 1st grade teachers.

I have an uncle that is a cop in Flagstaff, AZ. I would almost classify him as a hardass cop. I also have a cousin who never checks out radar gear and is one of the most generous cops you could ask for. You have good and bad in every job.

I have been pulled over by a Sherriff for doing 111 in a 55 and didn't have my registration or proof of insurance in the car. I told him the truth about being rear ended and working on the insurance stuff the night before and all the info was sitting at home. It should have been a trip to jail and the car being towed. I was handed my DL and told to slow down. Nice guy!!!

I would just ask that you take it easy on the cops. They are doing there job. If you get a jerk, get the badge number and report him. I still speed every day on the way to work and I still look very carefully for the unmarked's on c-470. I guess I just don't troll for trouble.
 
Old 08-21-2001, 12:15 PM   #6
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They are doing there job. If you get a jerk, get the badge number and report him.
thats the issue here man they dont do their job. follow me on this one.
i have friends far from perfect friends but citizens of this state. they were shot at i know for a fact they didnt go out looking to get shot at. if a car we roll with starts doing a donut in a parking lot they are asked or TOLD to leave we dont like that behaivoir. they went to a cop and told the cop about it and gave him a description of hte car and driver and the cops took a attitude with them for REPORTING the shooting. it could have costed their lives. but the cops prefered to be shady to the victims here.
**jj i understand your anger or disapproval for some of the words.. people be reasonable. say this officer was inappropriate, or he was a jerk. i have beleive it or not seen a few cool cops. three or four. no more than that.
people everyone thinks i hate cops i do. the dickheads. the good ones hell i have their back! i wish they could influence their peers to learn some customer service skills. the profiling thing. what comes around goes around even if they didnt act shady to some people they pulled over. sucks doesnt it...... the same shiznit they do to us! reversed. they say because others in imports are beeing asses they are going to funk with us more..... cops are dicks and that makes the other cops have haters everywere. make sense no matter how wrong it is.
once more jj hey lets meet up with your dad eh. i am sure hes cool, i hope but the other cops are bringing it down on others.
I feel we all like cops but because of the bad ones we go crazy on all of them. too bad for the cops. i roll with street racers. they are trying to get with the cops in a good way to talk about the static between cops and import cruisers. i am not sure if the cops have even got back to us about it. ttyl.
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Old 08-21-2001, 12:36 PM   #7
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Huh... Whats this....

...Drama....

Sweet


I'm under the assumption that everyone here has the capacity to make their own concious decisions, so here it goes

1 - If you go as much as 1mph over the posted speed limit, you are breaking the law
2 - If you modify your exhaust so it is LOUDER than stock, you ARE breaking the law

If you don't like being pulled over for breaking LAWS then DO NOT BREAK THEM

A Police Officer aka PIG job is to enforce the law. What do you expect to happen when you break the law. If you don't like the traffic laws, contact Congressman Mark Udall HERE

Here's my definition of PIG

Pride
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Old 08-21-2001, 12:39 PM   #8
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One of the other things you can do (if you have the time) is request that a supervisor come to the sight where you are pulled over. If you have a jerk cop, get his boss. The worst thing you can do is lose your cool.

I feel for the guys who got shot at. Never a nice thing, but this is exactly the type of situation that should have the supervisor called. I know it's hard to ask for more cops to show up, especially if you are phobic, but sometimes, it is just needs to happen.

I know all about jerk cops. One of my best friends and a guy I used to race with, his dad is Highway Patroll. His dad got an award three years in a row for the most citations. He also is a wife beating, controll freak, alchoholic.

The long and the short of it is that the infractions by the officer are tracked (if reported) and if they are a bad apple, they soon will not be on the force.
 
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If you have a jerk cop, get his boss. The worst thing you can do is lose your cool.
inever loose my cool for fear of the damn cops wrath. because he simply can and we cant kinda thing. if i askked his supervisor come out then i will see a old guy who is even more of a jerk.
i had two cops be cool their sergant came out and was a complete dick! i bet he'd be a even bigger dick if i had him called out for his prodigees learning his ways.
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Old 08-21-2001, 01:14 PM   #10
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2 - If you modify your exhaust so it is LOUDER than stock, you ARE breaking the law
uhh so we cant make our cars perform better eh. for the fact that the law is not enforced appropriatly! no i dont htink so! the cops dont pull over near the amount of ford f-150whatevers with straight pipes.. no because they ahve the same damn truck in their garage...
can you tell i feel strongly about this crap...
**fact i asked a sargent about harleys and ford trucks and the fact that they are louder than most imports. so loud you cant even hear youself swear *****(i said funk)
they drive a ford a chevy a harley so why would they want to risk pulling over a harley they themselves ride for risking pulling over a coworker!!! oh back to the * story sargent crap. he says to me and about two dozen other people with a attitude...
"you dont know your not out there....!!!!!" uhh yes i am a harley drives by a cop he glances at it.. oh well.
a import or as the cops say "Rickey Racer" he jumps the imports bones!
basically the cops are abusing this vauge ass law. using to their benefit, and pissing alot of people off. yes me one of them. its my damn car i will add performance as i see fit.
but they dont choose because thats just what it is their damn choice to funk with the import rather than joe redneck in his no emiisions passing ford.
the laws arent enforced equally. and they are trying to dictate what one can do to their car. i add performance not a fart tip or a straight pipe like the fords or harleys. the straight pipes are the cars that need to be cited!
i am going to stop because i can type pretty damn fast lately.
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Old 08-21-2001, 02:15 PM   #11
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The only legitimate time I got pulled over was for speeding, and I was. I have only been stopped in Subaru for sppeding one other time which I wasn't and the cop just said it looked like I was going fast. Duh! My car looks fast all the time.

And here in Utah it is not illegal to modify your exhaust to louder than stock as long as your muffler "functions and is in working order".

I got stopped because the Highway Patrol Officer said my wing was too big. Yeah, he's not an ass. I even talked to the office and they said he had no idea what he was doing. Then WHAT THE HELL DOES HE HAVE AUTHORITY FOR ?!?!?!?!? That is the kind of crap I get stopped for. That is why the hatred. Well deserved hatred by the way.
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Old 08-21-2001, 06:10 PM   #12
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Police should not be allowed to use "normal" looking cars for traffic violations.

First, I would be hesitant to pull over for green pickup with flashing lights. Anybody can get lights that look like cop lights and pull you over. Pretty easy way to carjack someone. And it has been used many times.

Second, one of the best things cops can do to deter crime is have a show of force. Just the sight of cop cars in neighborhoods or police on bikes/horses/whatever has been proven to reduce crime. The same cannot be said for pickup trucks.

I was told once (and I don't always believe what I hear) that in Kentucky a guy was speeding and some random car pulled up behind him with flashing lights. He did not pull over but drove towards the police station instead. Before he got there, a real cop car pulled up with flashing lights so he pulled over immediatly.

Turns out that the first car was a cop. He got arrested for evading (sp) arrest or something, plus the speeding. When he went to court, he got out of the evading charge because how was he supposed to know it really was a cop? So I do not think it is even legal for police in KY to use normal cars for traffic stops (or so I was told).

Plus, I hate sneaky tactics, even (or especially ) when I am in the wrong.
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Old 08-21-2001, 07:01 PM   #13
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yep i agree. if the gtp tried to funk with me i would not participate with him i would have to have a marked car. could be some freak in a cops uniform and flashers....
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Old 08-22-2001, 10:42 AM   #14
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I'm with JJJ on this one. I get so SICK of hearing cop rants. Can we talk about Subaru's instead?

BOTTOM LINE: Cops are there. They aren't going away no matter what you do or how unfairly you /think/ you get treated. Learn to cope people. GEEZ.

How do I stay out of trouble..... I drive a station wagon. HAHAHAHAH


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Old 08-22-2001, 12:17 PM   #15
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I believe that the cops should be there, but I don't understand why they would go around in unmarked cars, headlights turned off till it's nearly pitch black (unsafe to other motorists as well as to themselves) and other sneaky things. Isn't it their job to present an image of security and vigilance and all that? It makes no sense to me why they would do things like this. They should be the most visible thing on the road.

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Old 08-22-2001, 12:59 PM   #16
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I know all about jerk cops. One of my best friends and a guy I used to race with, his dad is Highway Patroll. His dad got an award three years in a row for the most citations. He also is a wife beating, controll freak, alchoholic.

your friends family is not alone
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Old 08-22-2001, 01:04 PM   #17
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jay you were there when that one cop came and scared that lil kid into going bye bye. we did nothing wrong no one was littering... he just had to flex and run people off. shady lil popo's
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Old 08-22-2001, 02:10 PM   #18
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It doesn't matter. We were "loitering" and thats against the law in most places. If I get a ticket or get harrassed by the cops for hanging out, so be it. I probably deserve it.

Point is.. nothing is likely to change. So, again, can we stop talking about cops and start talking about Subarus again. Somebody answer my injector question already.
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Old 08-22-2001, 03:23 PM   #19
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*sigh* I'm with phast actually...I am tired of having to defend brat's opinions and such with long posts..so lets just drop the subject...cops are there they are never going to go away. Most may be jerks but oh well....you have that with every business..
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Old 08-22-2001, 06:16 PM   #20
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Before I go off- let me say that yes, there are BAD cops. There are BAD doctors, lawyers, teachers, salespeople, support people, military people and all kinds of BAD people. There are BAD people in EVERY single occupation. There are also GOOD people in every single occupation, INCLUDING police.
I will say right here, right now, that the majority of cops that I know personally are GOOD people wanting to do thier part to protect and serve. They didn't get into the job as some kind of powertrip- they are there to help people- PERIOD. Sometimes helping people believe it or not is giving them tickets and taking them to jail. You probably can't understand that, it is a tough concept, I know.


ShadowES- where does that website get those statistics? Or do they just pull them directly out of thier ass (it appears to me they do)?

Some of those people supposdely "murdered" may have been "murdered" for a reason. Do you know the whole story behind each and every one of those? Were you there? Was the website author there at every shooting? I know I wasn't, so I try not to say what happened one way or the other. They may have been "murdered", they may not have been.

The website the "Mile-High Resistance" website links to is called copkillers.com. Great intellegent stuff- NOT! To anyone who thinks that you should "kill cops" or that it is cool, all I have to say is don't call them when you need them then! I hope that when you get robbed or carjacked that no-one comes to your aid you ungrateful people. But guess what? They will come to your aid because that is what they do- it's thier JOB! It is very offensive to me that we have people on this site that might think that is a cool idea.

How would you like to be in charge for "protecting and serving" people that would rather you not be around or have no respect for you? This is what cops go through every DAMN day for lower pay than you might expect.

Ever thought what kind of toll the job takes on those in thier families? Yes, I know there are some bad cops out there that do beat thier families- and like I said there are some bad cops out there. But most of them are good cops- and it takes a great toll on thier families...

You think some people would be a little bit greatful that cops are around- but I guess not. I guess you people would rather have anarchy.

And spectre23 and so many others that have seemed to have some bad experiences- until you report it it will not stop. Call thier supervisor- at least make an attempt. Don't let your pre-conceived assumptions that "they won't help" or "they are all the same" stop you. By letting this go on, if you have been wronged you ARE NO BETTER than the person that wronged you. And I frankly don't want to hear your bitching about it unless you DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.

That means something CONSTRUCTIVE. Face it, you are not going to get rid of police! And I hope this topic gets closed-- I'm TIRED AND SICK OF IT. Brat if you are really being wronged by the police, THEN DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT- bottom line.

And if any one of you have something to say- whatever. I'm sick of this whole entire topic. I'm sick of trying to explain it to people that don't get it. And I'm sick of trying to get you to understand something you won't.

And do me a favor- if you think that "killing the cops" is the solution- think of that the next time you need them for something- AND DON'T BOTHER CALLING somebody you "hate" so much. Deal with it yourself......

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What makes you think we did nothing about it? I called the mayor's office, and ended up talking to the assistant chief of police. What happened from it, they said he was wrong, deal with it. I didn't expect anything to happen, and nothing did. Also, I have never called a cop to help me, I know they are worthless, I take care of it myself, just like you suggested.

And what is up with you people getting on here and saying you want the topic closed? The topic has little to no activity for a while and you tards get on here and start it up again. If you want it closed then shut up! You can have your opinion, but don't tell people they can't voice theirs.

And BTW, nobody said they wanted cops killed. Only an idiot would put that in writing. Even if that is the way they feel.
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never mind- it's really not worth it....
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Okay guys, this is now closed. Let's try to keep the inflamatory language down please.

I believe that "officer" is the proper term for the law enforcement persons such as police and deputies. Even "cop" can be seen as inflamatory, but PIG is uncalled for.

I can see that there is a distinction between "unethical" police practices and proper law enforcement. There are those who believe that it is unethical to have unmarked cars with illegal tint, and I agree. I personally might not stop for any pickup or SUV with police lights if I wasn't certain it was an officer because the tint was too dark to see a uniformed officer inside.

I can see where they might be calling that one particular vehical/officer unit a PIG, but we shall not refer to ALL officers as PIGS. That's even more mean spirited than calling all Doctors QUACKS, or all lawyers SHEISTERS.

I think it is fine to post "unmarked vehicle alerts" with photos, but leave it at that and don't start profiling and pre-judging the police in return.

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