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Old 09-15-2005, 01:33 PM   #1
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Posted this over at iwsti...

This makes me sick to my stomach! Tell anyone you know NOT to buy a Subaru in Canada.

You should get a 1.22 exchange right now (usually 2 cents less )

If the Canadian dollar goes higher, since they predict it's on the rise right now, you should get 1.18 at some point.

Duty is 6.1%, just called CBSA and asked.

Canadian price does not include the bull**** fees which are probably around 1000$.

Note you'll be spending about 500$ to get the car across the border. Papers, inspections, etc.

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Canadian Model						
Base Price (CAD)	48,995.00					
Total Price (CAD)	56,344.25	(Does NOT include dealer fees)				
						
American Model						
Base Price(USD)	34,292	Includes battery warmer, block heater and foglights.				


Exchange	1.22	1.2	1.18	1.16	1.14	1.12
Duty (6.1%)	1.061	1.061	1.061	1.061	1.061	1.061
Taxes (PST)	1.15	1.15	1.15	1.15	1.15	1.15

Total (CAD)	51,046	50,210	49,373	48,536	47,699	46,862

Percent Savings	10.38%	12.22%	14.12%	16.09%	18.12%	20.23%
Dollar Savings	5,298	6,135	6,971	7,808	8,645	9,482
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Old 09-15-2005, 02:16 PM   #2
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Ya, but canadian prices rarely have any direct comparioson to US prices.

Some models are cheaper here (Hondas and Acuras) whereas many brands are much more expensive.

A 2006 Corvette ZO6 costs $14,000 in Canada than the US model after you factor in exchange, etc. And on US model cars there is no duty, so GM Canada is just being dumb.
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Old 09-15-2005, 03:25 PM   #3
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I said not to buy a SUBARU

It's based on the manufacturer. So all Subaru's would see this savings probably.

Nissaan/Infiniti is the same.

Honda, Mazda and Toyota are pretty on the ball, after the paperwork to get it across the border it'd be approximately the same price.

That's all I've looked into.
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Old 09-15-2005, 03:47 PM   #4
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I assume your talking about importing a car from the states? I've researched a lot on this aspect with regarding the S2K and G35C.

Here is just a example of someone doing it for MR2.
http://www.mr2.com/TEXT/Import.html#Sec4

There are a bunch more I found for S2K. In the end, yes you do save money, but it's a whole lot of mess if your not prepared.
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Old 09-15-2005, 06:52 PM   #5
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Great isn't it! And you can probably swing an STI for somewhere close to the $31K mark. I have quotes for an '05 from dealers in CA and DC and I told them my intention was to export it. You may also find the interesting:
http://www.iwsti.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16389
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Old 09-15-2005, 06:59 PM   #6
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I can't wait for someone to do it and report their actual landed cost.

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Old 09-15-2005, 07:33 PM   #7
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I'v imported 4 cars from the US (all used on) and saved alot of money on them all. But buying a new car poses some difficulties if you care about warranty.

Other things you have to factor in is your cost of flying down there and bringing it back. Again, this would depend on where you got it from, but the costs do add it.

Now that the canadian dollar is stonger, cars in the US are getting cheaper. But when the dollar was in the 60 cent range, many Cars in Canada were much cheaper. I know that an Acura RSX I bought in 2003 would have cost at least $4000 more in the US based on the exchange rate at the time.
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Old 09-16-2005, 10:57 AM   #8
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I can't wait for someone to do it and report their actual landed cost.

-J
There is a guy on iwsti that did it in 2004. He even leased it through a company here in Calgary.

I currently have a deposit on the First EVO X that Platinium mitsu gets. US pricing is usually release before Canadian pricing. Better believe that if Mitsu makes the same mistake as SOC, then I will be look south of the boarder.
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Old 09-16-2005, 11:16 AM   #9
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Originally Posted by enko
Posted this over at iwsti...

This makes me sick to my stomach! Tell anyone you know NOT to buy a Subaru in Canada.

You should get a 1.22 exchange right now (usually 2 cents less )

If the Canadian dollar goes higher, since they predict it's on the rise right now, you should get 1.18 at some point.

Duty is 6.1%, just called CBSA and asked.

Canadian price does not include the bull**** fees which are probably around 1000$.

Note you'll be spending about 500$ to get the car across the border. Papers, inspections, etc.

Code:
Canadian Model						
Base Price (CAD)	48,995.00					
Total Price (CAD)	56,344.25	(Does NOT include dealer fees)				
						
American Model						
Base Price(USD)	34,292	Includes battery warmer, block heater and foglights.				


Exchange	1.22	1.2	1.18	1.16	1.14	1.12
Duty (6.1%)	1.061	1.061	1.061	1.061	1.061	1.061
Taxes (PST)	1.15	1.15	1.15	1.15	1.15	1.15

Total (CAD)	51,046	50,210	49,373	48,536	47,699	46,862

Percent Savings	10.38%	12.22%	14.12%	16.09%	18.12%	20.23%
Dollar Savings	5,298	6,135	6,971	7,808	8,645	9,482
* Updated to include % savings and dollars savings.
Your canadian cost seems high. I paid $50500 plus doc., tire & a/c tax ($320) + GST = $54377.40 OTD. I also traded my 04 so I saved the GST on that amount as well. It's gonna cost at least $2000 to get the car up here as well with all the paperwork & shipping/gas/flight cost. I wouldn't want to break a new car in with a 2000km road trip anyways. I looked into this but it's not worth the hassle IMO.
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Old 09-16-2005, 11:16 AM   #10
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I currently have a deposit on the First EVO X that Platinium mitsu gets. US pricing is usually release before Canadian pricing. Better believe that if Mitsu makes the same mistake as SOC, then I will be look south of the boarder.
Where is Platinum Mitsu and when is the Evo X being released? I thought they were just releasing IV?
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Old 09-16-2005, 11:35 AM   #11
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Wow, Subaru honors warrenty. Stupid Honda dont honor it. I called Infiniti and they said they honor it also. So far this importing option sounds very interesting. Unfortunately I dont want the new 06 STI, so I'll have to buy used from the states. Or go with what I always wanted, a G35C.
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Old 09-16-2005, 01:06 PM   #12
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Wow, a lot of heresay in here.

STI-TOM,
My price for the STI is not "high", it's the MSRP price. Likewise, I put the MSRP of the USDM. On either, you can bargain, that's besides the point. The canadian STI isn't going to have 10,000$ of markup you could save and the USDM has 200$ of markup, they're both probably similar savings.

It doesn't cost 2000$ to bring this car into Canada and it's too bad you feel like you need to throw out numbers like that. Here's a realistic cost estimate

- 500$ in actual paperwork, getting it certified at CT. This is probably on the high end, and the actual costs are predictable I just don't know them excatly off hand. RIV has the forms which is the bulk of the cost.
- 0$ in modifications since 2006 has DRL's.
- 0$ in licensing - you're going to pay this on a car anywhere you buy it, and no matter what car you buy.
- 100$ in gas (figure 50$ to get down, 50$ to get back), I wouldn't fly down I'd take a road trip with a friend. And I don't know where you get 2000 kilometers from. Maybe if I drove down to Florida. I'd drive just south of the border, so we're looking at around a 7 hour drive.


And yes, like anything in life, if you don't know what you're doing, there will be plenty of hassles. If you know what to expect, which is easy since there's phone numbers to call and people who have done this, it's easy. Have your paperwork lined up, and plan one day (with a very early morning) to pickup your car, and a day when you're back in province to safety, register, etc.

For those who want to spend 6 grand more so it's "easier", by all means, do so. To me, spending even 1000$ to save 6000$... well, you still come out 5000$ ahead.

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Old 09-16-2005, 01:07 PM   #13
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Actually, my US price is the base price + the mentioned options. I should take out fogs but oh well. Block heater is a necessity in Canada.
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Old 09-16-2005, 08:48 PM   #14
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enko, what province are you basing your Canadian pricing on? In Alberta, there's no PST so the cost is going to be MSRP + GST only. So assume I have to pay full price that's 48995+3429 = $52425. Taking your U.S. price calculations (and only 7% for GST), I come up with about $46717. Now THAT price is worth considering for a difference of $5700. Still, throw in how much it's going to cost you to go to the States to get the car (fly or drive), meals while you're there, long distance phone calls, plus the noted paperwork fees and your TIME (which is also worth money) then I'd say it's a toss up.

You must be down East because there's no U.S. Subaru dealer $100 in gas away from here.


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I currently have a deposit on the First EVO X that Platinium mitsu gets.
Ha ha, nice. Can't wait to see the back-to-back comparisons.
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Old 09-16-2005, 09:01 PM   #15
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Damn, you guys got thick wallets!

The minimum savings here is 5 thousand dollars. With the dollar the way it's going it can approach ten thousand dollars, 20% of the car.

Yeah, I'm in Ottawa. So the border isn't too far.

I could take a lot of time off and still come out ahead. Phone calls are cheap using phone cards, it's chump change next to a fifty thousand dollar car. ESP if you have Vonage VOIP or stuff, phonecalls are free :P
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Old 09-18-2005, 11:14 AM   #16
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Man, you guys are lazy.

Do you go into the dealer and pay the first price they offer you? No, you do reasearch. Or at least I hope you do.

I called every dealer in western Canada from Winnepeg to Vancouver before I bought my STi. I wasn't thinking. I should have been calling south of the boarder.

The cheapest car I found was in Winnepeg. But it was only $500 cheaper. That, IMO wasn't worth the flight/drive back. If it was $1000, I probably would have done it.

As Far as the EVO X. The Evo IX should be released soon, or has been released. The Evo X is supposed to be a completely new platform and release in early 2008. But who knows. It is supposed to be shown in October at the Tokyo autoshow.
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Old 09-18-2005, 09:17 PM   #17
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These were for '05s earlier in the year and MSRP has gone up $500 or something but it gives you an idea. Neither of these required a lot of work simply an email inquiry, so there's probably money on the table.
(Hudson,HM is 300miles from Montreal)
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I just spoke with the General Manager and we can sell a black STI with gold wheels for you at invoice! Stock number of this vehicle is:
515169. It is in front of my desk, in the showroom, you will love it! MSRP on this STI is: $32,920. We will sell it to you for $31,059, which is invoice. However, we do need to add an aditional $149 for the delivery fee. This is madatory with all of our deliveries. Your total walking price would be $31,208. This is in stock, however I do not know how long it will be here for, unfortunately. If you want to purchase this sooner please let me know!! I look forward to hearing back from you.

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Or Irvine, CA for us on the west coast.
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Suggested retail--33,406.00
Dealer invoice-31,301.00
Selling price31,601.00 plus 300.00 for delivery is 31,901.00.
No tax no licence.
total is 31,901.00
doc fee 45.00
ca tire fee 5.00
one way trip ticket from DMV 15.00
Total price including everything is 31,966.00.
Tomorrow is the last day of the month and I would really like to get this deal reported to Subaru for my close.
If we split the difference at $31,500 and exchange is $1.18CAD/USD plus duty 6.1% (added after exchange) I get $39,437 before GST. Add GST & the RIV fee for $187 I get $42,384 (alberta). I haven't included the tire tax, block heater and inspection which comes in around $500. I my mind the only serious logistical concern is actually getting the car here. The estimate on transportation with customs clearance is anywhere from $1500 to $3000+. Or there's always the roadtrip option...
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Old 09-18-2005, 09:48 PM   #18
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This is interesting. Not as attractive for us AB folk tho given we only pay GST. But nonetheless, god info.
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Old 09-18-2005, 11:19 PM   #19
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Wow, jjjheimer, THANK YOU. That is awesome man. When did you get these emails? Was this recently? (Trying to clear out the 2005's) or was it a while ago (before 2006's)?

That sweetens the deal even more!
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Old 09-19-2005, 12:02 AM   #20
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They are actually from last november - I can't believe its been that long. The US dollar spiked up shortly after that and I shelved this plan (and we had a baby).
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Old 09-19-2005, 12:07 PM   #21
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Wow, OK, so it's basically shortly after that model year came out, so I might be able to push the same thing for 2006, although a bit more $$ since the MSRP has risen.
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Old 09-19-2005, 04:02 PM   #22
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Default small glitch...

One minor glitch in all of this is that the US model's speedometer will be in miles/hr, with km/hr as the smaller font. For some this might be a nuisance during daily driving - probably already hard enough already to stay within a reasonable amount of the speed limit . It also could be an issue for the re-sale value - you never know what might turn-off a prospective buyer.

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Old 09-19-2005, 04:56 PM   #23
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I've thought about this.. it is kind of a bummer. But aftermarket indiglo gauge inserts would fix that problem.

Even if you bought a whole new cluster which is probably 5-700$, you'd still come out ahead.
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Old 09-19-2005, 05:37 PM   #24
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The savings will more than make up for the lost resale value.
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Old 09-19-2005, 09:08 PM   #25
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Hardly a major problem. Speed limit around here is usually 50km/h, 60km/h, 80km/h and 100km/h.

50km/h = 30mph
60km/h = 37mph or 40mph for simplicity
80km/h = 50mph
100km/h = 62mph or 60mph or 65mph for simplicity

My dad's truck is originally from California and I got used to it the first few days.
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