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Old 09-15-2005, 08:43 PM   #1
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Default Legacy GT BD running GR2's with stock springs

Is any running GR2's with stock springs on a BD Legacy GT, i was wondering if i would be happy running this setup. Not looking for a harsh ride just trying to get a little better handling.
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Old 09-15-2005, 09:06 PM   #2
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I'm running agx's with stock springs. Works great.
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Old 09-15-2005, 09:42 PM   #3
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you will like it. gr-2's are a little stiffer than stock. le me know if you're gonna order some and from where, i might go in with you and split the shipping, i am also lookign for a set for my 99legacy wagon.
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Old 09-16-2005, 10:44 AM   #4
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Im running them now be4 i get my lowerin springs feel good to me and not much of differnce but they are deff stiffer than stock.... its a nice feel
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Old 09-16-2005, 03:29 PM   #5
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Great question OP!

I just bought some GR-2's for my 97 GT and was trying to figure out which springs to buy (Whiteline, H&R, Progressive, Eibach, etc.), but if the stock springs will work fine, maybe I will go with those. Does it change the ride height at all?

Is it a combination of the springs and struts that affect the lowering, or just the springs? It might be nice to lower it just a little...

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Old 09-16-2005, 03:50 PM   #6
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You'll love it. I put GR2's on my 1995 Legacy LS with stock springs. Handling is excellent... ride quality and smoothness feel similar to an Impreza STi.

The 1995 with GR2 struts alone is stiffer and harsher than my brand new 2005 Legacy GT.
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Old 09-16-2005, 09:09 PM   #7
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Is it a combination of the springs and struts that affect the lowering, or just the springs? It might be nice to lower it just a little...
The GR-2s alone shouldnt change the ride height at all but because the oem struts are often shot when replaced it may slightly raise the car. The perch heights(which is one way the struts could affect ride height) of the GR-2s are identical to the stockers as near as I can tell.

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Old 09-17-2005, 12:19 AM   #8
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what's an ideal spring mate to GR2s? AXGs you can adjust to match the spring, however the GR2s are of course unadjustable.....

ion?
eibach?
progressive?
WHAT?!
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Old 09-17-2005, 11:04 AM   #9
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The GR-2s alone shouldnt change the ride height at all but because the oem struts are often shot when replaced it may slightly raise the car. The perch heights(which is one way the struts could affect ride height) of the GR-2s are identical to the stockers as near as I can tell.

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The GR2s did raise my car slightly, especially in the front.
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Old 09-17-2005, 02:24 PM   #10
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The GR2s did raise my car slightly, especially in the front.

Good to know, my suspension is getting a bit saggy (172k, think its time? )
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Old 09-17-2005, 03:03 PM   #11
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Mine was at 132k when I replaced the struts. I was able to turn one of the struts upside down and watch the shaft extend on its own because it was so worn. The other 3 were suprisingly in decent shape.
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Old 09-17-2005, 09:18 PM   #12
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I just replaced my suspension at 103k and installed GR-2s. I mated them up with Whiteline Control springs. Noticably stiffer. I like it. And I haven't even used STi top mounts yet either...

I'm starting to feel more of the road. I've put 2k miles on them so far. I'd say I'm as broken in as I'm going to be. The rears appear to have slightly more camber to them. Slightly. Knowing that I have an SPO adj RSB, and knowing how fast I was able to take off/on ramps....I've tacked on another 10 mph.

Yes Mark, its time...

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Old 09-17-2005, 09:33 PM   #13
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i wish some makes stiffer springs that retains the original ride height.

we get alot of wet snow here, so it becomes a pain in the winter. on top of that, i'm getting fat, and it makes climbing/crawling/rolling out the car more diffcult.
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Old 09-17-2005, 11:32 PM   #14
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i wish some makes stiffer springs that retains the original ride height.

Me too...I think the prodrive ones are the least drop for the legacy at 1" and 1"...You could get drop springs and then put a lift kit, but I dunno how good that would feel
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Old 09-19-2005, 02:48 PM   #15
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I think the Whiteline Controls are the least drop. In all reality I'm 99% sure that my car is actually a bit taller now with GR-2s and WL Controls then they were before, with my super saggy stock stuff (125K).

I like in Central Oregon and get lots of snow and I don't foresee my setup being an issue. Oh, and you likely won't notice the change getting in and out of the car.

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Old 09-19-2005, 03:46 PM   #16
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This is all really good info (planning my tax return check already, and GR2's are on the list), but for those running different springs, can you also put in a cost of your setup as well?
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Old 09-19-2005, 04:56 PM   #17
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got my Whiteline springs from www.pdm-racing.com
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Old 09-19-2005, 06:57 PM   #18
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got my Whiteline springs from www.pdm-racing.com

great link, I've been looking for a place that sells legacy whiteline!

the two places I knew used to sell them stopped
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Old 09-19-2005, 07:57 PM   #19
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PDM racing is where I got my springs too.

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Old 09-20-2005, 01:00 AM   #20
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GR2's on my BE for over 1.5year.. since 110K miles.. now got on em over 80K.. still running strong.. highly recomended (over stock springs)
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Old 09-20-2005, 10:14 AM   #21
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i wish some makes stiffer springs that retains the original ride height.
www.kingsprings.com.au

They make 2 sets of springs. Low, and standard height. They even offer higher springs for some Subarus. Low is roughly 30-40mm drop.
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www.kingsprings.com.au

They make 2 sets of springs. Low, and standard height. They even offer higher springs for some Subarus. Low is roughly 30-40mm drop.
thanks. i'll keep them in mind for next time.

I might even plan it around having them shipped to Singapore from where i can just lug them back here when i visit in June.
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Old 09-20-2005, 07:42 PM   #23
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I have a 97 legacy wagon so it might be little different, but I just swapped all 4 original OEM struts with GR-2's using the stock springs and was pretty surprised by what I got.

First, I don't think "stiffer than stock" is entirely accurate. I was initially concerned that the ride might be a bit harsh having read that the GR-2's are supposedly up to 30% stiffer than stock. In my opinion they don't feel any stiffer than the stock struts that I removed (with 111,000 miles on them). When going slow they actually seem significantly softer to me. At speed the car rides WAY smoother than it ever did with the stock struts.

So imagine my surprise when I took it out in the twisties only to discover that the body roll has been noticeably reduced! This is not a placebo effect as my wife (who you may recall from a previous post helped me swap these puppies) commented that she felt glued in her seat as we were happily making the guy in the porsche in front of us sweat while he desperately tried to retain some measure of dignity after having been reeled in by a lowly station wagon! (the fact that the suby has 4 brand new Dunlop Sport A2's on it didn't hurt- but I digress...). My wife and I both agreed that the car was keeping much flatter in the really hard turns.

How could this be? Proportional valving? Secret KYB suspension voodoo? I don't know. I don't really care at this point. The car has NEVER handled OR ridden so well.

In summary- don't even begin to worry about the GR-2's if you are using OEM springs. They will outperform the OEM struts in every way and will give you a smoother ride while doing it.

If your main goal is to reduce body roll, then I might suggest that instead of looking to change your struts/springs you might want to put your efforts towards upgrading your sway bars and end links first. These are the parts that are actually meant to minimize body roll and, as long as the front/rear tuning is balanced, they have almost no undesireable side effects. Going stiffer on the springs/struts will definitely have an effect on body roll but at the expense of a decent ride and at a higher cost.

Hope this helps a little...
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Old 09-20-2005, 07:50 PM   #24
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I swapped out my sloppy 98 OBW suspension for a set of Megan Racing Coilovers for 2002 WRX ($1100 msrp including camber plates). They are incredible. The ride feels about the same as GR-2s but they handle waaaaay better and are fully ride height and preload adjustable (seperately, so if you just want to raise the car, you can do so without expanding the damper). From the factory they are pretty darn low, but you can raise them up to the OEM height if seasonal changes necessitate it.

Don't rule them out - they are more expensive than a GR2/spring combo, but they are fully adjustable for damping, ride height, preload and camber and handle better than just about any spring/shock combo that is available.
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Old 09-20-2005, 07:53 PM   #25
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Thanks that is the answer i was looking for i dont really want to change springs so i will just go with the gr2's with my stock spring and outback 18mm swaybar.
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