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Old 09-18-2005, 12:28 PM   #1
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Question This Cant be Safe

Ok so i have some mods done to my 02 like stg 2 accessport, aps fmic and full exhaust, shortram, I installed a mbc today messing around with it i hit and hold 1.7 bar on stock internals and turbo, whats the range for the td04 and is this safe at all. Let me know.. Buy the way it halls ass setup like this....
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Old 09-18-2005, 12:33 PM   #2
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Buy the way it halls ass setup like this....
Of course it does, you're running 24 lbs of boost and are probably lean as hell. If you're gauge is reading right, you are beyond the efficiency range of the stock turbo. So what are your EGTs and AFRs?

Edit: you have $$$$ saved up for a new block, right?
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Old 09-18-2005, 12:47 PM   #3
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The stock turbo cant move 24psi of boost. Check your gauge.
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Old 09-18-2005, 12:50 PM   #4
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does your car run ok with the fmic?
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Old 09-18-2005, 12:54 PM   #5
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The stock turbo cant move 24psi of boost. Check your gauge.
Check your math, 1.7 bar is pretty much equivalent to 24psi.
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Old 09-18-2005, 01:01 PM   #6
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The car runs fine, with the fmic, and i havent a bit of problems running that much. But i wanted to check cause i was going to turn it down.

It seems like the turbo moves the air just fine
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Old 09-18-2005, 01:02 PM   #7
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Check your math, 1.7 bar is pretty much equivalent to 24psi.
his guage is obviously wrong.. the stock td04 literally can not produce 24 lbs of boost without the EJ20 blowing itself to pieces.
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Old 09-18-2005, 01:04 PM   #8
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OH and by the way why i have a chance to holla at yall which would be a good turbo to run with this much boost. I have been toying with the idea of T3 to4e 60 63.5 ar or a gt 30
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Old 09-18-2005, 01:12 PM   #9
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OH and by the way why i have a chance to holla at yall which would be a good turbo to run with this much boost. I have been toying with the idea of T3 to4e 60 63.5 ar or a gt 30
Just please don't try to run whatever bigger turbo you get with the AccessPort. You're already pushing your luck now with the MBC, intake and FMIC.
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Old 09-18-2005, 01:31 PM   #10
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his guage is obviously wrong.. the stock td04 literally can not produce 24 lbs of boost without the EJ20 blowing itself to pieces.
Thank you.
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Old 09-18-2005, 01:33 PM   #11
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his guage is obviously wrong.. the stock td04 literally can not produce 24 lbs of boost without the EJ20 blowing itself to pieces.
actually I read the post wrong, sorry about that.
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Old 09-18-2005, 01:41 PM   #12
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The car runs fine, with the fmic, and i havent a bit of problems running that much. But i wanted to check cause i was going to turn it down.

It seems like the turbo moves the air just fine

Turning it down would probably be a good idea. You are strongly running the chance of doing horrible things to a) your turbo b) your motor or C) all of the above.

Save up and get a bigger turbo.
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Old 09-18-2005, 01:50 PM   #13
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Why are you running an MBC with and Accessport anyways?
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Old 09-18-2005, 05:07 PM   #14
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....I thnk a ***BOOM*** thread is upcoming....
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Old 09-18-2005, 05:14 PM   #15
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Why are you running an MBC with and Accessport anyways?
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Old 09-18-2005, 05:15 PM   #16
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his guage is obviously wrong.. the stock td04 literally can not produce 24 lbs of boost without the EJ20 blowing itself to pieces.
I wouldnt know about 24psi, but when I was messing with my MBC for the first couple times (on stock ECU and stock TMIC) I was hitting 20psi....and probably did this for 5-6 pulls. My motor and turbo are still good with 80k on the clock.

Im sure the FMIC is helping alot to cool down those HOT turbo temps...

BUT please turn the boost down to atleast 16-17psi.
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Old 09-18-2005, 06:26 PM   #17
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the acessport isnt all that great in the first place. A utec or something like that would be a much better investment
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Old 09-18-2005, 06:44 PM   #18
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Uh , yea that sounds like madness, if you got a access port and hitting 24 psi on the tdo4 that is bad news and just plain stupid, granted 24 psi not the same as 24psi on a larger turbo but it's the turbo im worried about along with your IDC's AFR's and EGT's , I know it's not holding that boost but rather spiking to 24psi. And tghe FMIC loose it till you get a` larger turbo. I think this thread is gong to have a bad ending .
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Old 09-18-2005, 07:14 PM   #19
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Even if the TD04 could push 24psi, it wont last very long doing it. Since I have raised my boost to 17.5 my turbo has become much louder over the last year (anytime in boost no matter the amount).
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Old 09-18-2005, 08:26 PM   #20
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^^ its louder cuz its spining faster, 17.5 is maximum it can handle before going out of efficiency and putting un needed stress on it
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Old 09-18-2005, 08:41 PM   #21
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....I thnk a ***BOOM*** thread is upcoming....
hahahaha i agree...

but on a more serious note, your stock turbo should not be running that high, i'd be careful if i were you cause your car could be in big trouble.
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Old 09-18-2005, 08:47 PM   #22
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The lag has to be killer with the stock turbo and APS FMIC. I ran 21 ps for a while with stock turbo, felt great, but everything else was off, high egt, lean conditions, etc...Do yourself a favor and listen to a couple of these guys here. 17.5 is enough, unless you have cash in hand for a motor build!
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Old 09-19-2005, 03:25 AM   #23
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your right, its not safe... so stop being unsafe before your engine blows.
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Old 09-19-2005, 04:39 AM   #24
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you are taking a chance just buy having all of that "extra" stuff on your accessport stage 2. turning the boost up that high is just stupid at this point.

sell the fmic, intake and mbc and buy a vf34 and injectors. that way you are at least at a safe tune (cobb 2.5).

or sell the AP and buy a utec. but imho if you get a utec and try to tune it yourself, you're probably gonna blow the car up anyway.

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^^ its louder cuz its spining faster, 17.5 is maximum it can handle before going out of efficiency and putting un needed stress on it
I dont think you read my post well enough, I said louder no matter what boost level. Its just wearing out.
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