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Old 09-19-2005, 10:55 AM   #1
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Default Self driving cars, now a reality

Contenintal Systems of Germany has system that has now been tested on public roads, and can even park the car for you. They may not produce it because

"A vehicle that is capable of driving itself has enormous potential legal and societal implications that not even the smartest automotive engineer can foresee. "

That's kind of a shame.
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Old 09-19-2005, 10:57 AM   #2
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I'll drive my own car, thanks.

I don't see that it's possible to mix computer and human controlled cars on the same road. MAYBE some day if we make wholesale change to computer controlled cars I'd be ok with it, but it'll never happen. Hell, we can't even change to the metric system.
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Old 09-19-2005, 11:02 AM   #3
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I'll drive my own car, thanks.

I don't see that it's possible to mix computer and human controlled cars on the same road. MAYBE some day if we make wholesale change to computer controlled cars I'd be ok with it, but it'll never happen. Hell, we can't even change to the metric system.

I disagree. Within 10 years these will be on the road. It will start with public transportation then private cars. Driving is one of those things that does not take abstract thought in order to perform successfully. A machine should for all intents and purposes do if far better than a human. The company is just worried about getting sued which is understandable.

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Old 09-19-2005, 11:04 AM   #4
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Old 09-19-2005, 11:04 AM   #5
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In testing, this system responded better than they human counterpart in emergency stops. It doesn't say about avoidance...
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Old 09-19-2005, 11:21 AM   #6
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I disagree. Within 10 years these will be on the road. It will start with public transportation then private cars. Driving is one of those things that does not take abstract thought in order to perform successfully. A machine should for all intents and purposes do if far better than a human. The company is just worried about getting sued which is understandable.
Agreed.

I'll bet BMW if not Daimler licenses it first for consumer application.

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Old 09-19-2005, 11:22 AM   #7
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I wish they would make a system that would pull the car over if a Cell phone signal is detected inside the car. Now let's see people yak while driving
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Old 09-19-2005, 11:31 AM   #8
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The self parking of it is cool, Just pull up, and hit a button.
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Old 09-19-2005, 11:38 AM   #9
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I disagree. Within 10 years these will be on the road. It will start with public transportation then private cars. Driving is one of those things that does not take abstract thought in order to perform successfully. A machine should for all intents and purposes do if far better than a human. The company is just worried about getting sued which is understandable.
I disagree. I feel that the road has far too many variables for a computer to account for until they are capable of abstract thought. While driving, I'm constantly playing the "what if" game. What if that guy blows a tire? What if that traffic light fails? What if there are deer hiding behind that next stand of trees? I think there's a good chance that we'll see some sort of autodrive "cruise control" for use on the open highway sometime in the next 10 years. But fully automatic cars? No way.
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Old 09-19-2005, 11:40 AM   #10
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Old 09-19-2005, 11:50 AM   #11
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I disagree. I feel that the road has far too many variables for a computer to account for until they are capable of abstract thought. While driving, I'm constantly playing the "what if" game. What if that guy blows a tire? What if that traffic light fails? What if there are deer hiding behind that next stand of trees? I think there's a good chance that we'll see some sort of autodrive "cruise control" for use on the open highway sometime in the next 10 years. But fully automatic cars? No way.
Porsche PSM and BMW's stability control logic both actively monitor tire pressure and can respond instantly to a blowout toward maintaining control of the vehicle.
It's not a far stretch to patch that into another ECU for automated driver control.

Mercedes has had for a few years now an active radar based cruise control that can detect movement both in front as well as at angles to either side.
adding a second or third horn and appropriate detection circuitry wouldn't be too much of a stretch all patached into the aforementioned automated driver control.

The technology isn't so much a strectch especailly on HOV lanes or future dedicated e-control lanes.
The real problem as stated is cuplability/liability toward traffic accidents and the inevitable deaths that would occur.

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Old 09-19-2005, 11:54 AM   #12
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More scary technology. Great.
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Old 09-19-2005, 11:59 AM   #13
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Old 09-19-2005, 12:10 PM   #14
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Won't. Ever. Happen.


Most people would rather drive their own car. And if you want to see how reliable a "PRT" system can be, come to WVU.

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Until it's possible to provide better control over the driving environment, I just don't see that an automated car is feasible. As I said, too many variables. I guess all we can do is wait and see.
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Old 09-19-2005, 12:21 PM   #16
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Whats that movie where the trucks and cars all get a mind of their own? They start killing people and stuff? I did a search on IMDB and i can't find it. Anyway, my point was that if the cars could think on their own...could be like that
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Whats that movie where the trucks and cars all get a mind of their own? They start killing people and stuff? I did a search on IMDB and i can't find it.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0091499/
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Old 09-19-2005, 12:28 PM   #18
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In fact I was wishing for just such a concept this past weekend upon a boring 1.5 hr. drive to central CT and back.
Clear skies, light to medium grade variable traffic on the way down as I had crusie control active and was jamming out to Kanye West.
The trip back though was hideous due to a haevay thuderstorm and near zero visibility as due to rain.

Such an automated driver control system would have been handy in both cases for ourselves on the trip down not to mention as based on observed driver skill those caught in the rain on the ride back home including the white guy in the F350 towing a race car trailer that nearly rammed us as he attempted to change lanes and take the spot where I had been driving for miles.

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Old 09-19-2005, 12:32 PM   #19
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Oh, it will probably happen. We'll just have to wait and see till when.

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In fact I was wishing for just such a concept this past weekend upon a boring 1.5 hr. drive to central CT and back.
Clear skies, light to medium grade variable traffic on the way down as I had crusie control active and was jamming out to Kanye West.
The trip back though was hideous due to a haevay thuderstorm and near zero visibility as due to rain.

Such an automated driver control system would have been handy in both cases for ourselves on the trip down not to mention as based on observed driver skill those caught in the rain on the ride back home including the white guy in the F350 towing a race car trailer that nearly rammed us as he attempted to change lanes and take the spot where I had been driving for miles.

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Old 09-19-2005, 12:40 PM   #21
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Well if comps were controlling all the cars on the road, then maybe every car would be traveling at a safe distance from each other. SO if a tire blew out or something, the other cars all being controlled would be able to stop or avoid it with no problem. With no rubber necking involved.
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Well if comps were controlling all the cars on the road, then maybe every car would be traveling at a safe distance from each other. SO if a tire blew out or something, the other cars all being controlled would be able to stop or avoid it with no problem. With no rubber necking involved.

not only that but if a tire blew out on a car in front of yours the computer will react much faster than a human ever could. how many wrecks happen simply because humans dont respond to the situation at all?

although i enjoy driving my car if it turned into an "i robot" type of driving situation where the cars can go 500mph safely because the computers can interact with the car, environment, and each other more effeciently than humans ever could then id be all for it.
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Just those people who drive F350's like asian women.

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Old 09-19-2005, 01:01 PM   #24
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Revolution in driver-assistance technology
By Bradford Wernle
Automotive News Europe / September 19, 2005




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Last week I got my first glimpse of a revolution that will change the car business.

As I drove along a straight stretch of autobahn near Frankfurt in a Mercedes-Benz E class test car, going about 100kph, I pulled back the cruise control lever and removed my hands from the steering wheel and my foot from the accelerator. The car stayed in the center of the lane.

The real fun began when we came to a curve. Although I was ready to grab the wheel in a nanosecond, there was no need. The car negotiated the bend with no help whatsoever from me.

The car was equipped with the latest driver assistance and safety innovations from Continental Automotive Systems of Rödelheim, Germany.

Cameras fitted on the car viewed the road ahead. Using the pictures, computers use an algorithm to calculate exactly where the car should be in the lane.

When it came time to leave the autobahn, I again gripped the steering wheel but kept my feet off the gas and brake pedals. Following the car ahead, we came to a dead stop at a traffic light. When the light changed, the car ahead moved, and so did I, without touching the pedals. Amazing.

Moving by itself

Back at Continental's test track I got behind the wheel of an Audi A3 and tried a parking maneuver. Sensors aboard the car measured a parking space. Again, I took my hands off the wheel, put the car in reverse and gently touched the accelerator with my foot. The car steered itself into the parking space.

I drove several other cars last Wednesday, each with a different system. One warned me of an impending crash and tightened my seat belt and helped my foot apply the proper braking pressure to avoid a collision.

Other major suppliers and carmakers also showed their variations at the IAA.

All claim they want to assist drivers by making cars safer and easier to drive but leaving the driver in charge. Many of these technologies are now arriving on the market in vehicles such as the new Mercedes S class.

Phil Headley, chief engineer of Continental Automotive Systems in North America, said well-publicized electronics glitches have shown that the industry needs to be careful how it introduces its latest creations.

"The only worry I have is that a system will get into the market before it's ready," he said. "That would leave a bad taste in everybody's mouth."

But there's a bigger issue. The systems I tested have the potential to change forever the very relationship between the driver and the automobile.

A vehicle that is capable of driving itself has enormous potential legal and societal implications that not even the smartest automotive engineer can foresee.
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