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Old 09-30-2005, 10:29 PM   #1
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Default Differance between factory bugeye beams and EDM's. Pics please.

I'm thinking about getting a FMIC and loosing the fogs. However, with my fogs off the factory bugeye lights suck. They look all yellowish and ugly from inside the car. I want to how the EDM's look withought the brights from inside the car. Can someone help me out here?
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Old 10-03-2005, 02:33 AM   #2
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Old 10-03-2005, 07:45 AM   #3
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if the light looks yellowish, then you probably need new bulbs, or have an electrical problem.

Are you curious about the EDM projectors, or reflector lights? there are a couple of threads about the former if you look around.
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Old 10-03-2005, 09:11 PM   #4
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I'm interested in getting EDMs. I was looking for pics.
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Old 10-04-2005, 04:38 AM   #5
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Stock headlights have the highest light output. They project more light than my Morettes with HID. I don't know how people do without fogs.
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Old 10-04-2005, 12:46 PM   #6
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Stock headlights have the highest light output. They project more light than my Morettes with HID. I don't know how people do without fogs.

ummm no
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Old 10-06-2005, 01:10 PM   #7
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Ummm, ya? Have you ever been in a car with EDM lights? And you bring you car over here and we'll compare them with my Morette HID.
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Old 10-06-2005, 04:43 PM   #8
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Stock headlights have the highest light output. They project more light than my Morettes with HID. I don't know how people do without fogs.

i agree 100%. my edm light output cant compare the stock output. when its pitch black then the edm's seem bright, but when theres a stret lamp around, it seems as though the my lights arent even on. *sigh* all that money and i get even worse lighting...
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Old 10-06-2005, 05:02 PM   #9
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I'd agree that the stockers light output is better than EDM's (as I had a pair, which I upgraded to 4100K HIDs because of this, which then moved their performance past stocker halogens, but far short of OEM HID applications). IMO, the best performing halogen headlamps for the bugeye wrx is hands down the Prodrive (UK300) projector headlamps after seeing them in person.


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ummm no
Best rebuttle to an argument.

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Ummm, ya?
Best rebuttle to the rebuttle.

Sorry guys, reading those two posts just cracked me up.
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Old 10-06-2005, 05:47 PM   #10
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I IMO, the best performing halogen headlamps for the bugeye wrx is hands down the Prodrive (UK300) projector headlamps after seeing them in person.
I would agree with that. I used to have UK300s, and they were damn good (wish i didnt sell them, but needed the cash to move my house)
put some HIDs in them, and you are golden.

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Old 10-06-2005, 06:42 PM   #11
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From the general consensus on here, it seems that for the bugeyes, the Prodrive and Morrette projector units put out the best light. The Prodrives have Hella 90mm projector units, while the Morrettes have Valeos. The Morrettes actually had the Hella 90mm units at one point but switched on over in the later models. The EDMs have garnered less than favorable reviews when it comes to light output. No one is gonna argue much about how aesthectically pleasing they are, but I'm glad I have my Prodrives. And as PARANOID56 pointed, with HIDs in them, they're that much better
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Old 10-06-2005, 07:07 PM   #12
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hey hank, do you have any pictures of the light output of your uk's so i can cry about my edms?
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Old 10-06-2005, 07:58 PM   #13
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My '02 came with UK300's, and the lighting on them sucked...until I adjusted them. Now they're probably the best low beams I've had in a vehicle, not that I've had many nice vehicles...
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Old 10-06-2005, 10:24 PM   #14
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IMO the factory lights are good but they can be WAY better and the way to do that is to add a competant set of fog/driving lights that suit your usage and needs. everyone's eyes see different, but in terms of usable light, the factory ones should be good for everyone to see safely below 100 mph.

if you drive faster than that, you are asking for trouble and my sympathy is little in terms of lighting your way... you'll only be able to identify whatever thing/person it is you hit because you can't stop in time.

if you just want bluer lights so that you can look like an expensive car, that's fine, just don't do it at the expense of other's safety(overly blue lights, glare-producing setups like hid kits, lights that you can't see well with like overly blue lights). a pair of osram cool blues(same as sylvania silverstars) or other WHITE high performance hydrogen lamps are fine, but other than that you should stay away from other colored bulbs. and if you live in a damp climate, yellow might be okay too.

if you will take responsibility for your mods it should be okay in practice, if not in theory- so obviously, if you have RHD cutoffs, aim them down so they don't blind people. if you have hid kits in non-hid housings, make sure it's not causing glare to other drivers(may be impossible). and if you have colored bulbs, make damn sure you can still see well with them and it's not going to cause other's problems.

and if you can't see well enough for the conditions- either use auxillary lighting(fog/driving lamps) or retrofit. or stop driving, because you're freakin' blind.
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Old 10-06-2005, 11:07 PM   #15
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hey hank, do you have any pictures of the light output of your uk's so i can cry about my edms?
Here are some past pics I took:













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Old 10-06-2005, 11:52 PM   #16
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Nice.

Why don't yours have the European beam pattern _/ _/? Did you mod it?
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Old 10-07-2005, 12:29 AM   #17
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Yeah, modded them since I put HIDs in them. Less glare and I'm able to aim them a tad bit higher for better light spread. I was close to the wall in those beam pattern pics. If I backed up a bit more, you would see that they're more like this:

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Old 10-07-2005, 01:56 AM   #18
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Hank,

Please sell me your headlights.....or at least I call dibs as of this moment if you ever do decide to sell them. Ha!

Thanks!
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Here are some past pics I took:

yeah ok, i think im going to go cry now. those are bright! what hids are you using?
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Old 10-07-2005, 08:52 AM   #20
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I bought a rebased kit maybe two and a half years ago from http://www.brightheadlights-hid.com

They sell HID kits that have rebased bulbs. Ballasts and bulbs are Philips and the temp is 4300K. I believe the ballasts are actually made by Hella but has the Philips name stamped on them. There are a few vendors online now that sell kits that have Philips parts in them. Run a search on here or Google for "Philips HID" and you'll get some good results. In anycase, they have worked flawlessly up to this point. I highly recommend Philips components when going with HIDs - you know they'll last and there's less chance of dealing bulbs and ballasts that are short-lived.

Thanks for the feedback
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Old 10-07-2005, 08:52 PM   #21
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Yep, I have to agree with Hank3. I've had stock bugeye, went to JDM + HID (same as EDM output, just diff pattern), and now have ultimately ended up with Morettes with HID. My rebased HIDs are 4300k from xenonfactory.com (3yr warranty, and they really do back their stuff!). If you're looking for pics of brightness, they are comparable to Hank3's Prodrives. Output b/w the two should be comparable, but just depends on what you like in terms of look/price/availability. Turning on my factory fogs does nothing except for light up the first 2 feet of my car now.

Hope this helps, good luck with finding your setup. Don't forget to look in the used forums, usually some pretty decent deals (at least for Morettes, Prodrives are rare).
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Old 10-07-2005, 10:11 PM   #22
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Don't forget to look in the used forums, usually some pretty decent deals (at least for Morettes, Prodrives are rare).
Rare for sure as Prodrive stopped making them a couple years ago

Glad I got mine though
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Old 10-07-2005, 10:23 PM   #23
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Hank3.. Why U didn't retrofit some HID projectors (TSX or S2000) instead of this halogen projectors.
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I believe if you look at the light spread of HIDs in the Prodrive projectors you'll see that it's somewhat even, which is why it's possible to "get away with" having HIDs in these headlamps. Obviously if you wanted to maximize your light output, a retrofit would probably be the best way to go. I don't believe though that s2k projectors would work though as I've heard they are fairly big projectors. Given the limited room already behind the headlamps in a subaru engine bay, I don't believe they'll fit. Of course I'm just going on speculation as I've heard those projectors in particular are fairly large in size.
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A retrofit with true HID projectors would be ideal, but like sevendhappy said, I don't think those projectors (S2K or TSX) would fit in the headlamp setup without ruining the aesthetics of the lights. I would have to cut into the housing; and unlike regular headlights, the Prodrive slots don't have outer headlight lenses like most headlights which would mean the retrofitted projectors would be exposed.
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