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Old 10-27-2010, 10:00 PM   #126
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11.75 @ 119mph - stock ej205 w/ 172k miles powered wagon
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Old 10-27-2010, 11:09 PM   #127
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dug-e-fresh -

edit the list and throw me in there

11.845 @ 115.77, 18g, GD, c16, 23psi
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Old 10-27-2010, 11:14 PM   #128
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Ok, so as of now its safe to conclude that:

DEF has the fastest 207 time at 11.2

and..

Coolrex has the fastest ej205 time at 11.6



Both amazing and impressive. The 207 is a much more reliable block, and has superior heads, so no surprise here. Never say never, but its going to be close to impossible for a non built, non nitrous 205 to compete with that 11.2.


Im currently working with Bonfire to trump the 11.6. That I think is very possible. Gonna be fun trying!

-Mikey
I'm sure a stock EJ207 could do a lot better than 11.2... (Considering a stock EJ257 manage to hold together for a 10.3 @ 137 pass and 630WHP+ ) the EJ207 should be faster.

As far as a stock EJ205... I think you can get them in the 10's... but you will need a hell of a launch (plus shifting) an enough power to do 123-125 traps.
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Old 10-28-2010, 01:23 AM   #129
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As far as a stock EJ205... I think you can get them in the 10's... but you will need a hell of a launch (plus shifting) an enough power to do 123-125 traps.
Not saying your wrong, because who knows....but I think some serious weight reduction would need to be done. Most all of them like to break rods when pushed hard (including mine). My 119 trap could have been an 11.5 with a harder launch, but getting 125mph+ traps out of one at stock weight doesn't sound realistic. But you know what they say- records are made to be broken....
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Old 10-28-2010, 11:26 AM   #130
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I'm sure a stock EJ207 could do a lot better than 11.2... (Considering a stock EJ257 manage to hold together for a 10.3 @ 137 pass and 630WHP+ ) the EJ207 should be faster.

As far as a stock EJ205... I think you can get them in the 10's... but you will need a hell of a launch (plus shifting) an enough power to do 123-125 traps.
No doubt about it... with a better launch (especially considering the mph) I could have potentially gotten a high 10 as she sat... with a few tweaks better turbo, etc... I think it could have cracked 130 mph and pulled a 10.6-10.8. But... well... were way past that now. lol

Given more time with that set-up... its almost been 5 years since I ran that... I think I am pretty sure I could have done better.

As for a stock 205... idk... 10's seem abit much. The rods snap pretty regularly in the 380-400 hp range... and I don't think that's enough power to get those traps.

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Old 10-28-2010, 11:39 AM   #131
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Dug, I bet your 207 was laughing at the power you made when you hit that 11.2. I push the 207's most of the time (on meth or e85) and they always seemed to be begging for more.

After 350whp on the airboy dyno, I cringe when the customer asks for more on a stock ej205.

I wish I had the luxury of doing more 207 cars. Ive tuned ~ a dozen, and I consider it to be my favorite OEM subaru block hands down.

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Old 10-28-2010, 11:53 AM   #132
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Dug, I bet your 207 was laughing at the power you made when you hit that 11.2. I push the 207's most of the time (on meth or e85) and they always seemed to be begging for more.

After 350whp on the airboy dyno, I cringe when the customer asks for more on a stock ej205.

I wish I had the luxury of doing more 207 cars. Ive tuned ~ a dozen, and I consider it to be my favorite OEM subaru block hands down.

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i've got an ej207...wink wink...but with the stock vf and 5spd, probably not worth the extra tuning, lol.
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Old 10-28-2010, 12:21 PM   #133
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mikey - more more more!! lol
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Old 10-28-2010, 12:38 PM   #134
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i've got an ej207...wink wink...but with the stock vf and 5spd, probably not worth the extra tuning, lol.
Why not?? Ill be in Mass tomorrow... Wink


If you can drive, the 5 speed can withstand mid 11 second power levels on the 2.0l (370ish airboy whp).

Bonfire is making 340 right now with no problems, and I think he hits 2 step every light
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Old 10-28-2010, 01:05 PM   #135
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^^ Sure it can withstand it.. Just not over time..

Its rarely the hard driving that kills the 5 speeds.. Its stress over time.. Mine finally went on a very VERY soft downshift - lugging in fourth to a rev-matched third.. My foot wasn't even off the clutch pedal when 3rd scattered.. Its just stress over time that kills them..

Mine lasted around 10k miles above 370 whp on the airboy.. (closer to higher 380's - good for consistent mid 119 traps). I never launched it harder than a 1.7x for fear of drivetrain nukeage.. Now I wish I had.. hah.
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Old 10-28-2010, 01:15 PM   #136
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Bonfire is making 340 right now with no problems, and I think he hits 2 step every light

he speaks the truth
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Old 10-28-2010, 01:41 PM   #137
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Must fix car and get tuned...
Wagon is ~2,450lb range and the Holset made 400whp barely tuned (safe AFR, little timing on pump) and is setup to run E85 if I could get RomRaider to stop disconnecting at WOT in mid run.

Ran a 12.2@112 with like a 2.2 60' ft and the clutch slipping in pretty much every gear, but staying in it out of rage cause I knew I wouldn't get to run again this year... LOL

My EJ207 loves the abuse been over 300whp on Mustang/Airboy for 60k+ miles I believe

I broke my 5 speed too, abuse over time - but I think it was a 4th to 3rd mis shift that really did it in - now I have a shift linkage that isn't messed up and a 6 speed but I wish I didn't have the extra weight. Blah.

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Old 10-28-2010, 03:49 PM   #138
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Ohh...add mine too Doug...05 wrx sedan 11.781@118.68 1.887 60'...ej207, rotated 3076, 93 octane. 23psi, 5spd, self tuned...whp...no accurate numbers 400ish??

I gotta hit the track again soon, was out there the other nite, watching a friends low 8 second mustang and decided to make a pass, and welded the dang clutch to the pressure plate on the heat up...lol

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Old 10-28-2010, 04:19 PM   #139
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I'll make some updates tonight...

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Old 10-28-2010, 04:38 PM   #140
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Cool deal Doug...lol...although I'm guessing I won't fall into #4 any longer though...maybe a separate pump gas/race gas list...or maybe not...lol with e85 available in places...blah!!

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Old 10-28-2010, 05:51 PM   #141
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Not saying your wrong, because who knows....but I think some serious weight reduction would need to be done. Most all of them like to break rods when pushed hard (including mine). My 119 trap could have been an 11.5 with a harder launch, but getting 125mph+ traps out of one at stock weight doesn't sound realistic. But you know what they say- records are made to be broken....
Most definitely I think 10's can be accomplish in a stock EJ205. Iíve seen 124 traps in a stock EJ205 way back before the STiís came outÖ thatís definitely pushing the rods, but you donít get records unless you take a drastic approach. Some of you are starting to push things a littleÖ but you canít compare a car completely set-up in ďkill modeĒ (light as hell). Thatís when ridiculous things start to happen (like VF turbos trapping mid 120ís or 35R standard turbos going almost 150).

I mean that's what the big shop Evo's do... That's how they run 10's stock turbo. Another example... That's how Roly runs 10.4 with a standard DOM3 in a stock block with ebay parts. You have to push things a little.
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I mean that's what the big shop Evo's do... That's how they run 10's stock turbo. Another example... That's how Roly runs 10.4 with a standard DOM3 in a stock block with ebay parts. You have to push things a little.
Totally agreed here...I know my car has way better than mid 11s available with a lightened set up...what people also need to realize is not only the weight itself a factor, but take 4-500 lbs out of one of our cars, and the entire tune can be re-done to compensate for lighter loads...ie. more timing!

I'll get there eventually, untill the time comes when I can pick up a nice daily or ideally a full sized truck, I can be content with a 93 octane mid 11 second 4 banger...atleast thats what I tell myself to keep happy for the time being!

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Old 10-29-2010, 05:29 PM   #143
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11.75 @ 119mph - stock ej205 w/ 172k miles powered wagon
You also did this at 5500ft elevation if I remember correctly. That in itself says alot.
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Old 10-30-2010, 11:13 AM   #144
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Updated... if I missed someone, repost.

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Old 10-30-2010, 11:18 AM   #145
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Ok, so as of now its safe to conclude that:

DEF has the fastest 207 time at 11.2

and..

Coolrex has the fastest ej205 time at 11.6



Both amazing and impressive. The 207 is a much more reliable block, and has superior heads, so no surprise here. Never say never, but its going to be close to impossible for a non built, non nitrous 205 to compete with that 11.2.


Im currently working with Bonfire to trump the 11.6. That I think is very possible. Gonna be fun trying!

-Mikey
I can't find (or overlooked) CoolRex 11.6 info... some help please

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Old 10-30-2010, 11:44 AM   #146
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Updated... if I missed someone, repost.

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I went 12.01 @ 115 in my 2door RS on a Stock EJ205 with a VF34. Do I need to dig up the time slip ?

Oh thats on 93 pump gas full weight.
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Old 10-30-2010, 12:14 PM   #147
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Thanks for the update dug-e!
(My Holset is an HE341)
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Old 10-30-2010, 12:32 PM   #148
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Thanks for the update dug-e!
(My Holset is an HE341)
No prob... and got it!

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Old 10-30-2010, 12:33 PM   #149
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and then along comes a certain somebody with a built 205...

and then i actually read the title.. what an idiot. lol. carry on.
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and then i actually read the title.. what an idiot. lol. carry on.
I wasn't gonna say anything... lol!

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