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Old 10-07-2005, 02:57 PM   #1
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Are there any rumors of a release of a USDM Impreza STi wagon?

I did a generic search and really couldn't find anything of relevance. I think I'm finally going to crack and get a 2006 or 2007 STi in a year. I really wouldn't mind waiting if there would be STi wagon slated to hit the states in the near future.

I couldn't think of a better, more versatile car within that price range. Lots of power, a better drivetrain, and a little bit more agressive suspension. I'd rather buy that than mod another wagon and worry about the smog laws for the sake of extra power.
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we have been begging for one since day one...and we are never getting one.
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Old 10-07-2005, 03:02 PM   #3
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I'd rather buy than than mod another wagon and worry about the smog laws for the sake of extra power.
The good news is if you swap a newer stock STi drivetrain into your older WRX wagon, you don't violate smog laws -- it's an engine update/replacement.
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Old 10-07-2005, 04:16 PM   #4
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The good news is if you swap a newer stock STi drivetrain into your older WRX wagon, you don't violate smog laws -- it's an engine update/replacement.
I suppose that's an option. Maybe I'm getting old or something but I'm starting to get tired of modding. Sure...swaybars, endlinks, and a catback are cool but when you're talking about swapping out major component of the car I tend to cringe.

The idea of all the perks of the STi with the space of a wagon would help me ultimately decide that it'd be worth spending all that money on a brand new car. I'd like such a huge investment to be perfect already. The idea of dropping $5-6K on a 6-speed tranny just seems wasteful. Does anyone agree that they'd rather not deal with the hassles or motor and tranny swaps?

I've been on this site for a year or so but haven't really jumped in to reading about through the archives. I remember seeing a bunch of threads from 5 or 6 years ago where members weren't very optimistic about the WRX coming to the states.

I was wondering if there was a huge response in letters or requests to Subaru of America from NASIOC members inquiring about the WRX. Also, do any of you old school members think it wise to write a letter of request? I'd gladly do my part in getting an Impreza STi wagon if my attempts would make a difference.
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In theory we could see a Forester STI, they've been selling one in other markets for several years now.

But, since it hasn't made it here yet, don't count on it ever coming here.
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Old 10-07-2005, 04:41 PM   #6
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The idea of all the perks of the STi with the space of a wagon would help me ultimately decide that it'd be worth spending all that money on a brand new car. I'd like such a huge investment to be perfect already. The idea of dropping $5-6K on a 6-speed tranny just seems wasteful. Does anyone agree that they'd rather not deal with the hassles or motor and tranny swaps?
I completely agree.

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I was wondering if there was a huge response in letters or requests to Subaru of America from NASIOC members inquiring about the WRX. Also, do any of you old school members think it wise to write a letter of request? I'd gladly do my part in getting an Impreza STi wagon if my attempts would make a difference.
By all means write to them (there are customer-response areas on Subaru's website, too), many of have.
Realistically, though, I don't think SOA gives a **** for what we think -- look how well they've responded to the "what do you want in a Legacy" sticky thread.
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By all means write to them (there are customer-response areas on Subaru's website, too), many of have.
Realistically, though, I don't think SOA gives a **** for what we think -- look how well they've responded to the "what do you want in a Legacy" sticky thread.
I cannot believe I am doing this but......

in their defense they have given us 95% of what we wanted. We asked for a WRX and we got it. We asked for an STI (or STi ) and got it. We asked for some special versions of the WRX's and we are getting the TR. We asked for some special versions of the Legacy and we are getting a Spec C? I think?

But OTOH as I said before from day one I have been clamoring for an STI wagon...
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Old 10-07-2005, 06:08 PM   #8
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I cannot believe I am doing this but......

in their defense they have given us 95% of what we wanted. We asked for a WRX and we got it. We asked for an STI (or STi ) and got it. We asked for some special versions of the WRX's and we are getting the TR. We asked for some special versions of the Legacy and we are getting a Spec C? I think?

But OTOH as I said before from day one I have been clamoring for an STI wagon...
I really don't think that asking for an STi wagon would be too much. I believe there is an adequate market for this car. I have spoken to a number of STi owners who would have loved to have gotten a wagon but settled for the sedan. I just think it would be good to give the customers what they want.

I also understand that there are a number of factors, most that I probably could never fathom, that ultimately dictate what is sold to the mass market. I just think it would be fitting for Subaru to release a car with all of their strenghts: top notch performance, space, and versatility. This is not to say that the standard WRX wagon is not the performer.

You do have an excellent point. Maybe I was just pushing my luck with wanting it all.
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If there were an STI wagon available that would be the car I'd be lusting over instead of the standard WRX wagon. So much more versatility and no ugly (IMO) big wing on the back. Plus, if they stuck to their current pricing scheme for imprezas it'd be a little bit cheaper than a regular STI too!

Would it really be that difficult to bring a car like this to the market? I don't imagine the conversion/certification costs would be that excessive considering there are similar cars already on the market (though I may be mistaken). If the cost of building an STI wagon is less than the amount of increased sales/profits they would receive, why won't they do it?

Based on 2004 sales figures, the Impreza Wagon represents approximately 40% of the Impreza market (19028 Sedans, 13181 Wagons Sold). Obviously a market exists for the wagon models, and I'm sure there'd be plenty of people in the wagon market that would want a higher performance option.
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If the cost of building an STI wagon is less than the amount of increased sales/profits they would receive, why won't they do it?

They hate our freedom?
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I would love an STI Wagon it's taking wat too much money and way too much patience.
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because sedans sell better than wagons..
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You're missing the point... as long as the firm makes a profit on the sale of the product, then it's better off than not selling the product at all. It doesn't matter if they sold 1,000,000 sedans and only 1,000 wagons. As long as the sale of those 1,000 wagons was profitable, then the firm is doing better than if they had not sold them. This is based on the assumption that the sale of the wagons did not cannibalize on the sale of the sedans, which I believe to be a realistic assumption because not all wagon buyers are sedan buyers, and vice versa.
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because sedans sell better than wagons..
Sure, in some categories.

If we're talking about versatility in space and cargo room, the Impreza sedan is a sorry excuse. I could go on for hours about how my bugeye wagon has saved the day so many times with all of it's hauling capacity. C'mon, you get a sports car and a wagon all in one purchase! I couldn't think of a better combo.
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i understand and would like a STI wagon but advertising plus all the other BS that comes with bringing a car like this to the states is not profitable enuff for them of a venture period. example if they sold 2 and made a profit cool. but the margin is not large enough for them to go thru all the legal crap thats there point unfortanately.


and to sixtoo^^^

i know that and have always owned wagons/hatches normally.. my wrx isnt one because i couldnt find one in the price range i wanted to pay.
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Sure, in some categories.

If we're talking about versatility in space and cargo room, the Impreza sedan is a sorry excuse. I could go on for hours about how my bugeye wagon has saved the day so many times with all of it's hauling capacity.
Case in point (read the last paragraph):


http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...6&postcount=12

^^How even much smaller hatchbacks are superior in practical utilization of space to the Impreza sedan.
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I hear ya. Strange though because every Subaru owner I know (and we're talking about people who have been driving these cars since the early 80's) swear by the make. The STi also seems to have a cult following that doesn't really need the advertising that a Scion would. I think your point is valid though. I don't see any reason for a company to invest millions of dollars on resources unless they saw an adequate margin of profit available.
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i understand and would like a STI wagon but advertising plus all the other BS that comes with bringing a car like this to the states is not profitable enuff for them of a venture period. example if they sold 2 and made a profit cool. but the margin is not large enough for them to go thru all the legal crap thats there point unfortanately.


and to sixtoo^^^

i know that and have always owned wagons/hatches normally.. my wrx isnt one because i couldnt find one in the price range i wanted to pay.
Interesting point. I wonder how many STis SOA sells each year.
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i think they wager everything on wrx sales IMO..

my own made up stat here

for every 5 wrx sedan they sell they sell 1 wrx wagon. now an STI is more of a niche car so there gonna think for every 10-15 STI sedan they sell its 1 STI wagon thats not a very good stat for them.. unfortanately its a fact that U.S. buyers prefer a sedan/ coupe based vehicle over a wagon. in europe for example hatches and wagons are golden. a realistic possibility wont be until the next real revision. not a facelift like the 06.. now about the cult following and stuff the truth is too bad for them and me go build one if you want one. to realisticly sell a car you want to apeal to more people than just your followers unfortanately. rare case integra typeR with limited runs.

in closing than i guess.. SOA i know you read this crap that we post on here so bring it they will buy it! make it a limited run they will sell. also i want a forester STi for Xmas so put that out to..

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The figures I've read say 60% sedan 40% wagon for the WRX, so I think your made up numbers are pretty overbiased against the wagon.

If it was worth it to SOA to pay for certification of 500 Spec-B Legacy sedans, why isn't it worth it to pay for certification of 1,000 or more STi wagons? I bet they'd sell.
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because spec b legacys have a cool sticker on there that say specb with a slightly different interior i believe iono lol just sayin.. its like those special edition neons you see no real hardware change still a neon. i wonder if you buy a spec b legacy if the title says it or if the insurance charges a premiuim for it. like having a sti over a wrx there considered two different cars practically or technically on paper that is..


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Don't forget that the market for subarus is quite different than the market for domestic cars as a whole. Joe "I'm gonna go buy a chevy impala" may not want a wagon (as the overall sales of wagons in the US is rather small), but those who would consider subarus are much more likely to buy a wagon model.
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because sedans sell better than wagons..
hmm, did you consider that they only make sedans? sure they sell better on other platforms, but I think an sti wagon would work nicely.. Quite a number of people don't like the wing and stuff, and i'm sure there is a large group who wants some storage/versatility, including myself... cmon, wheres the wagon!!
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If it was worth it to SOA to pay for certification of 500 Spec-B Legacy sedans, why isn't it worth it to pay for certification of 1,000 or more STi wagons? I bet they'd sell.
What certification is it your are thinking they would need?

The frame and body are identical to that of an normal impreza wagon.

When you crash test an Explorer you dont have to crash test every trim line? Explorer XL, Explorer XLT, Explorer XLS, Explorer Limited, and Explorer Eddie Bauer.....you just send in the cheapy model and you are done. Otherwise you would have 5 wrecked trucks sitting there for no good reason and this is assuming they all passed the first time.
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it costs money to offer variations. i work in wiring for the Dodge Ram, and even for wiring alone, there is an entirely separate department for the SRT-10. at an oem, and you'd be surprised how much it costs just offering an extra radio or something simple...companies that supply your parts charge extra for complexity, since it takes more space at the plant, extra to train employees, they have to build more specific things which means selling less of each item, etc. and you would have a new case of that for the seating, carpet, body moulding(and don't get me started on the sheetmetal people and stamping costs) and a bunch of other parts. just to add one simple radio option can cost hundreds of thousands of dollars for a vehicle family. Your assembly plants have to have more space, and they already build all the impreza's and the saabaru. to offer an entire extra model of car, which it would be even though it is just a different combination, has a lot more cost than you might think...just commenting on the talk about how it would be 'free money' since they already build cars so similar in design.
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