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Old 10-07-2005, 10:38 PM   #1
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Default Ramps & Jackstands SAFE?

Might be the wrong forum but of well.

Is it safe to use ramps on one end of the car and jackstands on the other? I'm doing my uppipe install this weekend. I've seen at least 2 of the install write-ups suggest backing the car onto ramps then jacking and supporting the fron with stands. Is this a safe way to go about it?

Seems like it would make getting the car up a bit easier. But is it really just as safe??? Should I worry about say.....the car rolling forward and off of the stands in front????!! LOL
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Old 10-07-2005, 10:43 PM   #2
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I would back the car onto the ramps and then jack the front end and support with the jackstands.
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Old 10-07-2005, 10:46 PM   #3
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ramps have a lip to prevent roll off, so if you back it onto the ramps, just jack the front a tad more than the back, so it doesn't roll forward off the stands. I personally leave the jacks under the car, and put the stands under the jacks.
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Old 10-07-2005, 10:47 PM   #4
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Might be the wrong forum but of well.

Is it safe to use ramps on one end of the car and jackstands on the other? I'm doing my uppipe install this weekend. I've seen at least 2 of the install write-ups suggest backing the car onto ramps then jacking and supporting the fron with stands. Is this a safe way to go about it?

Seems like it would make getting the car up a bit easier. But is it really just as safe??? Should I worry about say.....the car rolling forward and off of the stands in front????!! LOL
it all depends on if you know what you are doing... Search in the FAQ's I think there is one about this.... Just Be careful, Know what you are doing and if the car falls, LET IT... The car can be replaced, YOU can't...
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Old 10-07-2005, 10:51 PM   #5
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It might just be me...but I trust my ramps more than I trust my jackstands..especially if you are going to be jerking some parts around..

I'd use the ramps on the end that I'm going to be under...then jack up the other side....

(Note: I've never done this...so I don't know how well it would work)

so...either way, good luck with it.
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Old 10-07-2005, 10:51 PM   #6
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I would back the car onto the ramps and then jack the front end and support with the jackstands.
I do this all the time. Just leave the e-brake on and stick it in reverse.

Does the e-brake lock the front or rear tires? I think I read somewhere it was the front but last time I had my car up I didn't think they were locked.
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Old 10-07-2005, 10:56 PM   #7
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E brake locks rear tires only
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Old 10-08-2005, 12:30 AM   #8
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The car falling won't bug me, its the being uder it while its falling that gets me =)
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Old 10-08-2005, 12:41 AM   #9
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jacks are safe... but i wont ever and suggest others to NOT use a jack that has teeth to adjust its hieght.

i had a set under both front jack points (under the front doors) and as i was doing my oil change i heard a SNAP...

turns out the tooth on one of the jack stands snapped off. good thing the car was only on the second tooth, but it did cause the car to tilt enough to have pinned me under the car if i would have been under that side.

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(when i get home ill take pics) and post the brand that failed in my case
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Old 10-08-2005, 12:46 AM   #10
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E brake locks rear tires only
That's what I thought but someone somewhere posted that it was the front...
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Old 10-08-2005, 01:26 AM   #11
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man thats scary I always wondered if thoes teeth could break, I always give the car a good pushing around after its on the stands it so if its got any instabilities I'll know about it before I'm under it
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Old 10-08-2005, 02:48 AM   #12
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I always get nervous around my jack stands... I always think the locking teeth are gonna somehow unlock or in your case, break. I wish ramps could be use all the time... or just have a lift!
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Old 10-08-2005, 06:07 AM   #13
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The jack stands I use have safety pins in addition to the teeth. Guess I should start using them!
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Old 10-08-2005, 08:07 AM   #14
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Does the e-brake lock the front or rear tires? I think I read somewhere it was the front but last time I had my car up I didn't think they were locked.


Haha, don't tell me you've never experienced with the ebrake before... Man your missing out. Before I got my STi, I had a lot of fun in the camry with that ebrake.
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Old 10-08-2005, 09:45 AM   #15
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Holy crap, the teeth broke? That's their only freakin' job, to hold stuff up. That's some fine craftsmanship for ya'
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Old 10-08-2005, 10:01 AM   #16
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I would never get under my car without 4 over-rated jackstands (2 tons/each) and a jack with pressure in it at both the rear diff and the front jack point. Heck when I had my wheels off to clean them the side with the wheels off got the jack stands + jack, while the other got stands. To be honest I would probably never get under my car in any case without a proper lift (except for a oil change, in which case I'd use ramps).
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Old 10-08-2005, 10:20 AM   #17
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Well TacticalNuke I think you'd call the rest of us insane. I'm using some old rusty jackstands on my WRX which I don't know the rating for and my dad says should be ok since he has used them on our 3-ton Suburban I did my UP/TBE without issue as well as SS brakelines. I always leave the pressurized jack at the end I'm under however...just in case. All of my jackstands use pins though...those teeth sound like bad news...
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Old 10-08-2005, 12:20 PM   #18
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wait, why do you need the back of the car off the ground if you're installing an uppipe? i did a header install on an STi and i'm pretty sure you only need the front end of the car off the ground cuz thats where you're doing the work. good luck with the o2 sensor on the header, its a stubborn little punk.
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Old 10-08-2005, 12:22 PM   #19
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I always get nervous around my jack stands... I always think the locking teeth are gonna somehow unlock or in your case, break. I wish ramps could be use all the time... or just have a lift!

YES IT MAKES IT A LOT EASIER!!!
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Old 10-08-2005, 12:39 PM   #20
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That's what I thought but someone somewhere posted that it was the front...
The only car I've ever run into where the E-Brake was on the front was my '91 Subaru Loyale.
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Old 10-08-2005, 01:38 PM   #21
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Well, I'll be doin my codd dp at the same time =)
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Old 10-08-2005, 01:41 PM   #22
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ok do not drive the car up the ramps you will scratch the crap out of your front bumper and hate yourself later if you are not good at painting..i did it and man was i pissed..back it onto the ramps and use the jack for the front just make sure to use jackstands and you should be fine..
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Old 10-08-2005, 02:03 PM   #23
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That's what I thought but someone somewhere posted that it was the front...
SAABs used to have the parking brake activate the front. Not sure whether they do now or not.
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Old 10-08-2005, 02:10 PM   #24
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ok do not drive the car up the ramps you will scratch the crap out of your front bumper and hate yourself later if you are not good at painting..i did it and man was i pissed..back it onto the ramps and use the jack for the front just make sure to use jackstands and you should be fine..
Actually I find when I back my car up onto the ramps because the front lip is tilted down there isn't quite enough room to slip my cheap-o floor jack under the front lip. If your car isn't lowered you should be able to drive up the ramps without scraping the front lip. Anyway I have put my front up on ramps and jacked up the rear/put it on stands before. Some things to remember are that floor jacks jack in an arc so as you jack up the rear it's going to try to pull the car backward. With my car in gear and the front up on ramps this wasn't enough pull to pull it off the ramps. It just ended up sliding the jack slightly if I remember rightly. Maybe it also pulled the front wheels back against the rear lip of the ramp. Anyway if you go slow and be careful you should be able to get it up. After you get the rear up make sure the front can't roll forward any on the ramp (especially if you put the rear higher than the front). If you pulled the front wheels to the rear lip of the ramp when jacking it up with the floor jack (because of the arc motion) then conceivably it could roll forward on the ramp (there is a bit of play back and forth on some ramps) and fall off the stands. Just check to see if there is a gap in front of the wheels on the ramps and chock them with something if there is. Then they won't be able to roll forward or backward and you should be fairly safe/secure. The key is making sure the front is immobilized then you should be ok...

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Old 10-08-2005, 03:07 PM   #25
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Haha, don't tell me you've never experienced with the ebrake before... Man your missing out. Before I got my STi, I had a lot of fun in the camry with that ebrake.
Camry is FWD. I use to play with the e-brake all the time in my Honda and Mazda but with an AWD car I don't use it unless parked. I like my rear diff in one piece
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