20g turbo - Should I go FMIC or TMIC

Henryk · 10-10-2005, 03:46 PM

I'm planning on getting a 20g td05 turbo from deadbolt and would like to stay with a TMIC, would this would, or do I need to go with a FMIC? How much would I lose keeping a TMIC.

Thanks

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drwrx · 10-10-2005, 03:56 PM

You will be losing a handful of whp if you go with the TMIC, but not a lot, about 6-10 whp from what I've seen.
You will spool quicker.
You will heat soak quicker.
Either wrap your turbo and dp, get an IC sprayer, or both.

fastwrx006 · 10-10-2005, 04:00 PM

Get a Perrin FMIC and you will be set. Enjoy that 20g

InfamousDX · 10-10-2005, 04:02 PM

TMIC will give you some nice throttle response but you can squeeze out more power from the FMIC.

Henryk · 10-10-2005, 04:06 PM

I'd like to stay with a tmic, and don't really need to squeeze out every hp, so a turbo xs or perrin tmic should be fine for the 20g? I just like the look of the tmic rather than pipes for the front mount.

Crazykev · 10-10-2005, 04:13 PM

The Hyperflow is one of the best flowing TMIC if you can go that route. Kinda' expesive, but if you have an oversize scoop you won't have heatsoak problems. I have a HUGE scoop on mine and the extra air even keeps the heatshield cooler.

Kevin

RiftsWRX · 10-10-2005, 04:16 PM

I'm doing an SBR20G with a Spearco TMIC tonight, I'll post up results tommorow.

Jorge (RiftsWRX)
www.ProjectWRX.com

SuperSubie81 · 10-10-2005, 04:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Henryk

I'm planning on getting a 20g td05 turbo from deadbolt and would like to stay with a TMIC, would this would, or do I need to go with a FMIC? How much would I lose keeping a TMIC.

Thanks

I'm assming you've read my post comparing my FMIC and Testes TMIC on 20G's??? If not, theres some good info in there that will help your decision.

JM530 · 10-10-2005, 06:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RiftsWRX

I'm doing an SBR20G with a Spearco TMIC tonight, I'll post up results tommorow.

Jorge (RiftsWRX)
www.ProjectWRX.com

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MomoWRX · 10-10-2005, 06:43 PM

There was a thread a while back that showed two cars same mods....except one TMIC and one FMIC.........the FMIC got 17 more whp.

bosaleh · 10-10-2005, 08:02 PM

FMIC

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SuperSubie81 · 10-10-2005, 11:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MomoWRX

There was a thread a while back that showed two cars same mods....except one TMIC and one FMIC.........the FMIC got 17 more whp.

Yes sir that was my thread:
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=782505

23b_Rex · 10-11-2005, 01:21 AM

the 20g is a badass turbo, it deserves a fmic

AK*WRX*2004 · 10-11-2005, 04:28 AM

I second the FM. -Gene

majnthr33 · 10-11-2005, 06:55 AM

Yup.

MomoWRX · 10-12-2005, 12:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SuperSubie81

Yes sir that was my thread:
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=782505

Thanks Supersubie.....I knew it was out there somewhere....(over the rainbow)

ejsportcom · 10-12-2005, 12:18 PM

if you plan on making big power and you don't want the added lag, go with a FMIC. now i know your thinking FMIC = Lag. But thats not true if you set it up right. What you should do is get a fmic kit where the piping is small diameter on the side that comes from the turbo and goes to the ic (just a bit bigger then the outlet side of the turbo, about 2.25 inches). then on the colder side it can be a bit bigger but no bigger then 2.5 inches. also the size of the ic matters too. you want to size it to your application. if the inner volume is too big you will get lag, if its too small it will restrict flow and you might as well put a restrictor plate on your car like nascar does

.

I have a fmic that i built myself on my car. i used smaller piping and with the stock wrx turbo. Lag is not an issue....

drwrx · 10-12-2005, 03:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MomoWRX

There was a thread a while back that showed two cars same mods....except one TMIC and one FMIC.........the FMIC got 17 more whp.

If you are using that post, and those numbers, for your reasoning for a FMIC, your logic is flawed:
1. the FMIC ran 2 more psi of boost (19 vs 21) that alone could make the 17 whp difference.
2. The TMIC hit peak boost before 4,000 RPMs. The FMIC 5,000 RPMs
3. The TMIC hit peak torque at around 4,400 RPMs. The FMIC 5,500 RPMs
4. TMICs heat soak quickly on a dyno and that always affects the numbers. On an open road at 70mph that will not be an issue.

Now, I'm not dumping on FMICs I've had them on my vehicles before. But, if your trying to justify the extra cost, effort and loss of stealth factor because "I want more power" as your argument. The data just isn't there.

Henryk · 10-12-2005, 04:18 PM

Well I'm not sold on the FMIC yet, but I'm leaning towards a TurboXS FMIC and painting it black for the stealth factor. I'm not sure if there is a better intercooler for the 20g, like the smaller injen that would have less lag. I would also like to keep the fog lights on my '02. Any other suggestions?

03MBP · 10-12-2005, 05:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by drwrx

If you are using that post, and those numbers, for your reasoning for a FMIC, your logic is flawed:
1. the FMIC ran 2 more psi of boost (19 vs 21) that alone could make the 17 whp difference.
2. The TMIC hit peak boost before 4,000 RPMs. The FMIC 5,000 RPMs
3. The TMIC hit peak torque at around 4,400 RPMs. The FMIC 5,500 RPMs
4. TMICs heat soak quickly on a dyno and that always affects the numbers. On an open road at 70mph that will not be an issue.

Now, I'm not dumping on FMICs I've had them on my vehicles before. But, if your trying to justify the extra cost, effort and loss of stealth factor because "I want more power" as your argument. The data just isn't there.

Technically...it is there. The fmic made more power, yes he ran 2 more lbs of boost...but did you ever think he could run that extra 2 lbs safely because of better intercooling?

I have the Turbo XS fmic painted black, stealthy imo...I like it, leaves me more room in case I want to go bigger plus not heat soaking light to light is another + for me.

Hayaboosted · 10-12-2005, 05:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Henryk

Well I'm not sold on the FMIC yet, but I'm leaning towards a TurboXS FMIC and painting it black for the stealth factor. I'm not sure if there is a better intercooler for the 20g, like the smaller injen that would have less lag. I would also like to keep the fog lights on my '02. Any other suggestions?

Heres an idea.. Have you considered the ssautochrome fmic? Im personally running the kit and love it. And at 450 its still cheaper than a TXS FMIC & TMIC. I actually had the TXS TMIC.. yes I loved it.. but why not get rid of it when I can get a FMIC for cheaper.

Next monday Rifts will be tuning my car with this FMIC and the DB20G. Stay tuned.

Henryk · 10-12-2005, 08:29 PM

Is your DB20g a td05? Let me know the results. I never heard of the ssautochrome, got a link?

IIdiceII · 10-12-2005, 09:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 03MBP

Technically...it is there. The fmic made more power, yes he ran 2 more lbs of boost...but did you ever think he could run that extra 2 lbs safely because of better intercooling?

I have the Turbo XS fmic painted black, stealthy imo...I like it, leaves me more room in case I want to go bigger plus not heat soaking light to light is another + for me.

Your arguemnt in your first post was how 2 cars with the same mods, one with a tmic and one with a fmic and the fmic one made 17whp. So the fact that they ran an extra 2psi makes that test kinda stupid when comparing. I say def go with a tmic. much stealthier and better throttle response. heatsoak is a minor issue when your car is moving so as long as your not racing standing still i wouldnt worry about heatsoak

Hayaboosted · 10-12-2005, 09:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Henryk

Is your DB20g a td05? Let me know the results. I never heard of the ssautochrome, got a link?

PM me

RiftsWRX · 10-13-2005, 11:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JM530

Subscribed.

That's a SBR 20G with a header, TBE, intake, and spearco TMIC at 19 PSI.

That is actually a very STRONG result, since the averages I see are 320-340 for Deadbolt's, and 330-350 for SBR's. At the same PSI, etc.

Here's another example

SBR 20G on a FMIC

SBR 20G on a TMIC

Jorge (RiftsWRX)
www.ProjectWRX.com

10-10-2005, 03:46 PM	#1
Henryk Scooby Newbie Member#: 48544 Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Tri-State Vehicle: 2002 WRX WRB	20g turbo - Should I go FMIC or TMIC I'm planning on getting a 20g td05 turbo from deadbolt and would like to stay with a TMIC, would this would, or do I need to go with a FMIC? How much would I lose keeping a TMIC. Thanks * Registered users of the site do not see these ads.

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10-10-2005, 03:56 PM	#2
drwrx Scooby Specialist Member#: 50891 Join Date: Dec 2003 Chapter/Region: MAIC	You will be losing a handful of whp if you go with the TMIC, but not a lot, about 6-10 whp from what I've seen. You will spool quicker. You will heat soak quicker. Either wrap your turbo and dp, get an IC sprayer, or both.

10-10-2005, 04:00 PM	#3
fastwrx006 Scooby Specialist Member#: 38016 Join Date: Jun 2003 Chapter/Region: SCIC Location: $10/20 No-Limit hold 'em table Vehicle: 06 GG EVO IX GT3082R ETS Kit	Get a Perrin FMIC and you will be set. Enjoy that 20g

10-10-2005, 04:02 PM	#4
InfamousDX Scooby Guru Member#: 25413 Join Date: Sep 2002 Chapter/Region: Tri-State Location: North NJ	TMIC will give you some nice throttle response but you can squeeze out more power from the FMIC.

10-10-2005, 04:06 PM	#5
Henryk Scooby Newbie Member#: 48544 Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Tri-State Vehicle: 2002 WRX WRB	I'd like to stay with a tmic, and don't really need to squeeze out every hp, so a turbo xs or perrin tmic should be fine for the 20g? I just like the look of the tmic rather than pipes for the front mount.

10-10-2005, 04:13 PM	#6
Crazykev Scooby Specialist Member#: 93667 Join Date: Aug 2005 Chapter/Region: MWSOC Location: Cincinnati,Oh Vehicle: '03 Build'n a 2.12L 331whp/331wtq	The Hyperflow is one of the best flowing TMIC if you can go that route. Kinda' expesive, but if you have an oversize scoop you won't have heatsoak problems. I have a HUGE scoop on mine and the extra air even keeps the heatshield cooler. Kevin

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RiftsWRX Scooby Guru Member#: 6124 Join Date: Apr 2001 Chapter/Region: MWSOC Location: Glendale Hts, IL, USA Vehicle: 2000 NFR AP1 S2000 '07 Honda FIT sport (5MT)	I'm doing an SBR20G with a Spearco TMIC tonight, I'll post up results tommorow. Jorge (RiftsWRX) www.ProjectWRX.com

10-10-2005, 06:43 PM	#10
MomoWRX Scooby Specialist Member#: 36823 Join Date: May 2003 Location: West Boca, FL/WPB at Northwood Vehicle: 03 MBP WRX Sold :( 93.5 Single Supra :)	There was a thread a while back that showed two cars same mods....except one TMIC and one FMIC.........the FMIC got 17 more whp.

10-10-2005, 08:02 PM	#11
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23b_Rex Scooby Specialist Member#: 79394 Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: reston Vehicle: 02 gda wrb	the 20g is a badass turbo, it deserves a fmic

10-11-2005, 04:28 AM	#14
AKWRX2004 Scooby Specialist Member#: 56485 Join Date: Mar 2004 Chapter/Region: AKIC Location: Juneau, Alaska Vehicle: 2009 Ram 1500 CC SPT R.I.P. Bro	I second the FM. -Gene

10-11-2005, 06:55 AM	#15
majnthr33 Scooby Newbie Member#: 84498 Join Date: Apr 2005 Chapter/Region: MWSOC Location: The CHI Vehicle: 2003 Impreza WRX W raith R eady B lue	Yup.

10-12-2005, 12:18 PM	#17
ejsportcom Scooby Specialist Member#: 88905 Join Date: Jun 2005 Chapter/Region: Tri-State Location: in the drivers seat....	if you plan on making big power and you don't want the added lag, go with a FMIC. now i know your thinking FMIC = Lag. But thats not true if you set it up right. What you should do is get a fmic kit where the piping is small diameter on the side that comes from the turbo and goes to the ic (just a bit bigger then the outlet side of the turbo, about 2.25 inches). then on the colder side it can be a bit bigger but no bigger then 2.5 inches. also the size of the ic matters too. you want to size it to your application. if the inner volume is too big you will get lag, if its too small it will restrict flow and you might as well put a restrictor plate on your car like nascar does . I have a fmic that i built myself on my car. i used smaller piping and with the stock wrx turbo. Lag is not an issue....

10-12-2005, 04:18 PM	#19
Henryk Scooby Newbie Member#: 48544 Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Tri-State Vehicle: 2002 WRX WRB	Well I'm not sold on the FMIC yet, but I'm leaning towards a TurboXS FMIC and painting it black for the stealth factor. I'm not sure if there is a better intercooler for the 20g, like the smaller injen that would have less lag. I would also like to keep the fog lights on my '02. Any other suggestions?

10-12-2005, 08:29 PM	#22
Henryk Scooby Newbie Member#: 48544 Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Tri-State Vehicle: 2002 WRX WRB	Is your DB20g a td05? Let me know the results. I never heard of the ssautochrome, got a link?