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Old 11-03-2005, 11:05 PM   #101
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I have one sitting around.....how should I go about cutting this puppy open ?
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Old 11-03-2005, 11:32 PM   #102
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well, you could poke a flathead screwdriver into the side and peel it open like a can, or you could hack saw it, or you could use an exhaust cutter (the kind withthe sharp cutter wheels) all will work. the screwdriver method is pretty easy though.

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Old 11-03-2005, 11:33 PM   #103
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I just noticed seepage on my garage floor and I just got my oil changed earlier this week. Looks like I'm heading back to the dealer!
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Old 11-04-2005, 09:05 AM   #104
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well, you could poke a flathead screwdriver into the side and peel it open like a can, or you could hack saw it, or you could use an exhaust cutter (the kind withthe sharp cutter wheels) all will work. the screwdriver method is pretty easy though.

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I will give this a shot this weekend (I'm not bothering to return it to Subaru for 5 bux) and i will post up pics.
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Old 11-04-2005, 09:21 AM   #105
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are you guys trying to say that these new filters do not have a check valve?

afaik... all subaru OEM filters have a check valve.

i've never heard anything different

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Old 11-04-2005, 10:04 AM   #106
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Look inside Jamie... it does not look like it has one. We would love it if you'd consider calling SoA and asking the tech line directly though.

BTW, I just installed mine this morning so we'll see how it does. It did not leak uppon startup and idle after the change. All I know is that if something bad happens and is related to this filter SoA will replace my motor one way or another. I've been changing my own oil on all my cars since I could drive and have never had a problem due to a mistake in the process. Crap for that matter I know more about my car then the grease monkey that I see changing oil at the local Subaru place. You know they are noobs when they say they've never installed SS brake lines before.

Wouldn't it be funny if a class action lawsuite happens because of something as small as them being too cheap to provide a good oil filter.
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Old 11-04-2005, 11:21 AM   #107
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doubt that this seepage would cause a failed engine...

it's a little drip here and there...

not a gush of oil all over the place
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Old 11-04-2005, 01:26 PM   #108
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Jamie:

Do you offer the six pack o' turbo filters anymore? I can't find them on your site (only can find the non-turbo ones).

Thank you for keeping us all informed.

Am I the only one who can't find these filters? Please clue me in.
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Old 11-04-2005, 02:02 PM   #109
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BTW, I just installed mine this morning so we'll see how it does. It did not leak uppon startup and idle after the change. All I know is that if something bad happens and is related to this filter SoA will replace my motor one way or another. I've been changing my own oil on all my cars since I could drive and have never had a problem due to a mistake in the process. Crap for that matter I know more about my car then the grease monkey that I see changing oil at the local Subaru place. You know they are noobs when they say they've never installed SS brake lines before.

Wouldn't it be funny if a class action lawsuite happens because of something as small as them being too cheap to provide a good oil filter.

The oil filter only leaks a little bit, and if it gets to the point that damage is done to the engine, then that is not Subaru's fault. You have an oil light to tell you that the oil is low, and you would notice the oil on the ground. If you continue to drive the car with little or no oil, then damage that occurs would be no one elses fault but your own. Even if the dealership does the oil change, you should know not to drive the car with no oil.

And just because they never installed SS brake lines does not make them a noob. Most dealerships do not install aftermarket components, and how may times have you heard that Subaru brake lines need to be replaced?
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Old 11-04-2005, 02:08 PM   #110
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According to Purolators site, the bypass pressure on the PureOne for the WRX is 14-18psi
so if the OEM bypass pressure is 23 psi and the PureOne bypass is 14-18 what does that really mean?

Not to be stupid here but is the PureOne OK to use for the long term or is it letting to much pressure through?
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Old 11-04-2005, 02:13 PM   #111
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Old 11-04-2005, 02:58 PM   #112
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Thanks Jamie! Order placed!
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Old 11-04-2005, 03:15 PM   #113
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so if the OEM bypass pressure is 23 psi and the PureOne bypass is 14-18 what does that really mean?

Not to be stupid here but is the PureOne OK to use for the long term or is it letting to much pressure through?
Exactly what I am trying to find out.
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Old 11-04-2005, 03:29 PM   #114
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Great! If you get a good answer then we will both know...becuase the difference in price is peanuts...I just need to remember to order them from Jamie before my next oil change.
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Old 11-04-2005, 03:29 PM   #115
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The oil filter only leaks a little bit, and if it gets to the point that damage is done to the engine, then that is not Subaru's fault. You have an oil light to tell you that the oil is low, and you would notice the oil on the ground. If you continue to drive the car with little or no oil, then damage that occurs would be no one elses fault but your own. Even if the dealership does the oil change, you should know not to drive the car with no oil.

And just because they never installed SS brake lines does not make them a noob. Most dealerships do not install aftermarket components, and how may times have you heard that Subaru brake lines need to be replaced?
Girl, I check my oil level every week just to make sure all is well, but to allow a filter to be used that even has a slight leak is total BS on SoA's part. I mean common!!!... how many cars have you had that you just looked under at the oil filter, noticed some leaking and said... oh well, it's designed that way.

Oh and as for noticing oil on the ground... that's going to be a little hard with the undercover in place. There is plenty of channels in that thing for oil to drop into before it overfills and starts showing up on the ground. Do you really want to start making it a point to pull the guard down every week and check the seal on the oil filter. What the hell?

Point is... the old 100 filters didn't leak at all. New ones seem to leak (I'll tell you if mine does tomorrow when I have to crawl under the car again to check on this stupid filter just to make sure. I installed it this morning when I did the oil change. SoA are just cheap asshats to introduce such a crappy filter, but we won't be able to tell just how crappy it is until more of us use them and see how they hold up.

[middlefinger]Thanks SoA for adding yet another thing I have to keep watching from time to time!!![/middlefinger]

Oh and as for the "Oil light" thing... by the time that turns on it's already too late.
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Old 11-04-2005, 03:31 PM   #117
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Oh and as for the "Oil light" thing... by the time that turns on it's already too late.
VERY true. If the oil light comes on get our your check book and dont even bother stopping...your engine is already toast. Drive straight to the bar and have a drink!
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Old 11-04-2005, 03:33 PM   #118
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AMEN brotha!
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Old 11-04-2005, 05:00 PM   #119
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Girl, I check my oil level every week just to make sure all is well, but to allow a filter to be used that even has a slight leak is total BS on SoA's part. I mean common!!!... how many cars have you had that you just looked under at the oil filter, noticed some leaking and said... oh well, it's designed that way.

Oh and as for noticing oil on the ground... that's going to be a little hard with the undercover in place. There is plenty of channels in that thing for oil to drop into before it overfills and starts showing up on the ground. Do you really want to start making it a point to pull the guard down every week and check the seal on the oil filter. What the hell?

Point is... the old 100 filters didn't leak at all. New ones seem to leak (I'll tell you if mine does tomorrow when I have to crawl under the car again to check on this stupid filter just to make sure. I installed it this morning when I did the oil change. SoA are just cheap asshats to introduce such a crappy filter, but we won't be able to tell just how crappy it is until more of us use them and see how they hold up.

[middlefinger]Thanks SoA for adding yet another thing I have to keep watching from time to time!!![/middlefinger]

Oh and as for the "Oil light" thing... by the time that turns on it's already too late.


First of all, you are supposed to check your oil periodically, that's your responsibility.

Second, it's not supposed to be designed that way, a problem occured in production, Subaru caught it and is taking care of it. Subaru didn't make the filter, so don't blame them. They are doing what they can to correct the situation. If you bought an item at Walmart, and it was recalled, who would you blame? Walmart or the company that made the product? All this was was a bad batch that got out after production, and Subaru caught it.

I think you are taking this a little too far...your car is a machine, and crap happens...If your that unhappy with Subaru, go buy another car and see if they recall your oil filter when they discover there is a design flaw....Look how long it took for Ford to take action when the trucks were catching on fire, they were FORCED to issue a recall....
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Damn I just recieved a box of 12 of the defective filters , guess I'll be seeing about sending them back
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Old 11-04-2005, 06:44 PM   #121
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so if the OEM bypass pressure is 23 psi and the PureOne bypass is 14-18 what does that really mean?

Not to be stupid here but is the PureOne OK to use for the long term or is it letting to much pressure through?
Yes, the PureOne should be fine to use. Since it has a *lower* bypass pressure than the OEM, it will *not* result in higher oil pressures than OEM.
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Rexygirl, if I bought a recalled item at Walmart, I'd blame the manufacturer more, but it would also diminish my trust/image of Walmart. Walmart (Subaru) gets to choose whose parts they will sell; enough bad decisions on which vendor to use (which hasn't yet happened for Subaru) and the company's reputation will suffer.
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Old 11-04-2005, 07:40 PM   #123
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Point is... the old 100 filters didn't leak at all. New ones seem to leak (I'll tell you if mine does tomorrow when I have to crawl under the car again to check on this stupid filter just to make sure. I installed it this morning when I did the oil change. SoA are just cheap asshats to introduce such a crappy filter, but we won't be able to tell just how crappy it is until more of us use them and see how they hold up.

[middlefinger]Thanks SoA for adding yet another thing I have to keep watching from time to time!!![/middlefinger]

Oh and as for the "Oil light" thing... by the time that turns on it's already too late.
I agree with rexygirl and subigal (two of our vendor representatives) Subaru responded to the problem immediatly, and did a dealer recall. I personally applaud them for that. The fact that they leak a little will only be a small anoyance until the next oil change, not a threat to anyone's engine. If you ran a business the size of SOA what would've you done differently. Would you throw millions of dollars at an unfortunate short term annoyance? If you would, you wouldn't be in business for long. I think Subaru's response was appropriate.

Oh, and the oil light... It's there to warn you of a low oil condition. It will first come on when you are going around a corner and the pressure switch gets starved for oil then it will go out. That is certainly not too late, however it is a serious warning that means you need to put oil in as soon as practical. If it goes on steady that's a different matter, pull over and put oil in immediately. Still not too late, but don't ever drive with a steady oil light on...

Rocket's two cents...
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Rexygirl, if I bought a recalled item at Walmart, I'd blame the manufacturer more, but it would also diminish my trust/image of Walmart. Walmart (Subaru) gets to choose whose parts they will sell; enough bad decisions on which vendor to use (which hasn't yet happened for Subaru) and the company's reputation will suffer.
Exactly the way I see it.
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IIf you ran a business the size of SOA what would've you done differently...
I WOULD NOT have switched oil filter manufacturers from the Japan one to an American one so that the higher-ups (executives) could pocket even more money then they already make. Maybe I just value my car more then the average person, but I believe anyone who's a real "car person" would sympathize with me on this. I don't look at my car as a thing that gets me from point A to point B... to me it's like a family member. This is why if you mess with my car we're going to fight.
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