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Old 10-16-2005, 09:49 PM   #1
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Guys is it possible to convert the 05 RS to a Sti?
what would you have to do? engine swap...and transmission swap? anything else and what would i be looking at money wise?

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Old 10-16-2005, 10:14 PM   #2
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I think it can be done - haven't read about anybody on an 05 doing it though

maybe it best be served to post in the conversions forum

here in Ontario I believe Planet Motorsport (http://planetmotorsport.com/index.html) does conversions for the die-hard subie lover
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Old 10-16-2005, 10:15 PM   #3
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Why not have just bought a sti do you have a wagon?
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Old 10-16-2005, 11:52 PM   #4
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in the end it will cost more to do than just buying an sti, this is of course if you do it CORRECTLY

that means engine, trans, brakes, etc etc

youd need the full engine, intake, radiator, etc, wiring harness, ecu, then fgure out how to wire it all together

for the tranny youd need that shifter linkage, shifter, console, driveshaft, crossmember, rearend, axles, brembos yada yada

more or less if you WANT to do it, just buy a totalled sti and rip out everything and plant it in your car, full wiring harness headlights back to the taillights and no splicing required then
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Old 10-17-2005, 12:29 AM   #5
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actually, i think the engine swap could smoother than people think. It would still cost you an arm and a leg, but it would be sweet. The reason the engine swap wouldnt be as bad is because the wiring harness for the 05 rs is almost identical to that of the 04 usdm sti. So it would take a ton of work out of it. I looked into this a while ago and still would love to do it, i just dont have the money.

everything else on the other hand, that is transmission, etc. that is a different story
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Old 10-17-2005, 12:32 AM   #6
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how did you figure out the wiring harnesses are nearly identical? I dont really see how that is but who knows you may be right
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Old 10-17-2005, 12:57 AM   #7
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i'll help you out, i'll trade my hood and trunk for yours. bump
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Old 10-17-2005, 01:02 AM   #8
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lol best bet is a wrecked sti, get all the parts you need for a swap! im looking to do this in the upcomming summer!
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Old 10-17-2005, 01:04 AM   #9
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The shop near me does STi swaps for $13K, might as well just sell the car and get a brand new warrantied STi

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=688092
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Old 10-17-2005, 09:42 PM   #10
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wrx-pilot...thats 13K with the engine and transmission included or just labour???? it still saves me money than to spend 32K on a sti..cos i got my car for like 15K
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Old 10-17-2005, 10:29 PM   #11
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15+13k= 28k So for nearly the same price as a new STi, you'll have minimum 2 weeks of no car...Potential for CEL's, Mechanical and Electircal problems, and no warrenty on any working part of the car (assuming you swap everything)...

doesnt seem like that much of a bargin to me...
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Old 10-18-2005, 12:44 AM   #12
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the reason i say that the wiring harness for a usdm sti engine is almost exactly the same as the 05 rs is because when i got my engine management (perfect power) put on to my 05 rs, it was before rallitek had the schematics or layout for the 05 rs ecu plugs. They noticed that the new engine used some of the same parts as the 04 sti and looked at the ecu plug layout and it was almost if not exactly the same, maybe a wire or two different here or there. One way or another, they were able to successfully set up engine management for an 05 rs with the layout from an 04 sti...this is how i know.

I am not sure if they are 100% identical, but i think you could cross out one major pain and labor intensive burden from your swap.
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Old 10-18-2005, 01:17 AM   #13
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wrx-pilot...thats 13K with the engine and transmission included or just labour???? it still saves me money than to spend 32K on a sti..cos i got my car for like 15K
Yeah but your not getting a new STi with an STi swap. You get whats left of a salvaged STi and yes that does include labor in the price. Try comparing $15K+$13K to a used STi that will go for about $28K.

What happens if 5K miles later and the tranny goes out? What if... people stopped trying to save a couple bucks trying to mimic a $30,000 car?

You're almost there anyways, why not just get the right car with a warranty and no complications. You'll have a little more piece from your car and you don't know if a swap leave out some things... the car it comes from was parted out for a reason.
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Old 10-18-2005, 05:33 AM   #14
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Doing an STi swap into any 04+ RS is just stupid. Really, just buy an STi and save yourself a lot of headaches.
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Old 10-18-2005, 11:08 AM   #15
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not really^^

buy a salvage, get the full wiring harness and motor and drivetrain..

just plop it all into your car shold mainly be plug and play...sell off rest of the parts from the sti = profit and it wouldnt be to bad

this is my plan in the future
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Old 10-18-2005, 03:04 PM   #16
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ok ...just buy an sti..and swap the damn trunks out...makes more sense..
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Old 10-18-2005, 03:32 PM   #17
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I'll trade you my trunk for yours if you get it painted. then you can sort of look like a sti...
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Old 10-18-2005, 03:57 PM   #18
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Just buy this car and then you'll be set...

http://portland.craigslist.org/car/103455874.html

Seriously, for $28,000 you can get an 04 STi. That is basically the same money as a swap, plus you will have full STi. Meaning suspension, seats, brakes, cluster, wheels, everything.

Unless you can do the labor yourself (or have gobs of moeny) projects like this seem absolutely asinine.

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Old 10-18-2005, 06:52 PM   #19
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Don't waste your money thats crazy. In my opinion anyway
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Old 10-19-2005, 05:59 AM   #20
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not really^^

buy a salvage, get the full wiring harness and motor and drivetrain..

just plop it all into your car shold mainly be plug and play...sell off rest of the parts from the sti = profit and it wouldnt be to bad

this is my plan in the future

Price of new 04+ RS 19k

Price of salvage STi 15k

Total: 34K (plus any labor you will have to pay to swap everything over)

Price of new STi 33K

Get a new STi. Then you will be all done. The car will run, it will have a warranty, and people won't laugh at you for first buying an RS then swaping in an STi motor.

Oh, and sell the rest of the parts off the STi that you don't use to make a profit? Right, like the motor? No. Thats in the car. how about the tranny? No. You used that too. The brembos? Used. I know...the seats. Used. Any parts you didn't use would not really be worth selling. You would use all the good parts that are needed for the swap, and be left with a pile of parts that you can't sell. Plus you just bought a car with a salvaged title, so who knows what the hell is wrong with it. Good luck with that swap into an 04+RS. Again, IMHO a total complete and utter waste of time and money.
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Old 10-19-2005, 12:10 PM   #21
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no offense you dont need to use the seats i know i dont like them so i would not use them

headlights, fenders, hood, trunk, rims etc all make money for you

im not telling the guy to do it just thats how id do it

dont know whats wrong with it? if theres a hit in the back then it wsa rearended, DUH
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Old 10-19-2005, 12:26 PM   #22
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Insurance would be ALOT cheaper in a swapped RS than in a STi.
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Old 10-19-2005, 12:31 PM   #23
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Trying to turn an RS into and STI is a complete waste of time and money..unless you are doing it to a 98-2001 RS!!!! That is teh sexiest!
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Old 10-19-2005, 01:25 PM   #24
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Insurance would be ALOT cheaper in a swapped RS than in a STi.
usualy if u get into a accident with all the sti stuff in it they wont cover it or they will and your rates will go up alot more then if it was a stock rs
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Old 10-19-2005, 03:54 PM   #25
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if you were starting with an older car and doing a swap i could understand it. Or even if you were swapping it into a wagon. But to take a basically identical looking (and new) car and spend that much money on a better drivetrain, etc. doesnt seem worth it.
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