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Old 10-19-2005, 09:40 PM   #1
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Default From an educational standpoint, why do universities harp on groupwork?

It is truely pointless. Individual assignments are being phased out in favor of group projects. Now I enjoy group discussion as much as the next person, but relying on five people for the length of a college term is pretty much impossible for actual work. There is always one or two people who do minimal work if any and the rest of the group members pick up the slack because their lazyness effects everyone's grade. Example: We have case-studies analyzing information systems deployments due every week with each person responsible for a part. One team member sends the group his part, says he doesn't know how to answer the question and asks the group to add anything they want to his 3 sentence answer.

Obtaining a college degree would be so much easier dealing with people who actually care about their education.
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Old 10-19-2005, 09:41 PM   #2
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Teaches you how to deal with the workplace when you inevitably team up with people who don't hold up their own weight.
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Old 10-19-2005, 09:43 PM   #3
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I hate groups. I never learn anything.
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Old 10-19-2005, 09:46 PM   #4
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Teaches you how to deal with the workplace when you inevitably team up with people who don't hold up their own weight.
I've heard this answer over and over, but always take it as a bull**** response. After experiencing this once or twice, I understand people are lazy. Picking up other people's slack gets old after 5 years. (I'm in a five year program.)
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Old 10-19-2005, 09:49 PM   #5
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think about it. Any successful corportation in the world did not achieve its success solely through individual effort. Teamwork is huge in any environment be it corporate, military, industrial, whatever.
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Old 10-19-2005, 09:52 PM   #6
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Picking up other people's slack gets old after 5 years. (I'm in a five year program.)
5 years? whose the slacker now?

Honestly I found the more intensive group projects useful because they taught me how to relate to people and communicate. However I do understand the frustration of slackers.
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Old 10-19-2005, 09:55 PM   #7
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I've heard this answer over and over, but always take it as a bull**** response. After experiencing this once or twice, I understand people are lazy. Picking up other people's slack gets old after 5 years. (I'm in a five year program.)
well, when your college friends or fellow students parents stop paying for everything no matter how hard they work- after they graduate, and they have to enter the real world and get a real job, where if they don't contribute at a team level and put in their part, they will get fired. Then they will either be homeless or go back to live with mommy n daddy. That's how the world works and that is why you do group projects in school.

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Old 10-19-2005, 09:55 PM   #8
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My brother in law went to college and got a degree in mechanical engineering. He was hired by a consulting company for his ability to manage and organize groups and projects. So much of his school work involved group projects. He has used very little of his mechanical engineering 'stuff'.

Can you at least pick your partners?
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Old 10-19-2005, 10:24 PM   #9
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My brother in law went to college and got a degree in mechanical engineering. He was hired by a consulting company for his ability to manage and organize groups and projects. So much of his school work involved group projects. He has used very little of his mechanical engineering 'stuff'.

Can you at least pick your partners?
Not usually and the student base is fairly large at my university so you may only have 1 or 2 people you have seen from other classes.
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Old 10-19-2005, 11:48 PM   #10
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Group work= suck

It always takes longer and comes out worse then doing it yourself. In the real world you will have to work with others, but you will mostly be responsible for yourself. Maybe it's just that I hate relying on others to get things done.
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Old 10-19-2005, 11:53 PM   #11
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notice the location, what school?
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Old 10-19-2005, 11:56 PM   #12
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...their lazyness effects everyone's grade...
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Old 10-19-2005, 11:58 PM   #13
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the teachers want less material to grade...
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Old 10-20-2005, 12:07 AM   #14
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i, a mechanical engineering student, do 95% individual work.... with a study group.

and its not the swap my problem for your problem type of thing. We all do well in our own right.

groups help me learn... nothing like setting the curve on fluid mechanics tests.
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Old 10-20-2005, 12:21 AM   #15
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You think group work sucks.... Try group work in an ONLINE class
yeah, now thats hard
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Old 10-20-2005, 12:24 AM   #16
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My college has a group program for all business majors. Everyone takes the same classes, and in their junior year you have a team that you work with. After your junior year, you start to take your specific classes for your major, and hopefully get done in four years.
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Old 10-20-2005, 12:24 AM   #17
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Old 10-20-2005, 12:37 AM   #18
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....quick answer: Cheating off your co-workers, and claiming other's work as your own are very important skills in Corporate USA
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Old 10-20-2005, 12:51 AM   #19
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We have them some, and in some classes and the reason is as mentioned: in many workplaces you'd be part of a group.

It's mostly true, and I don't mind it as long as it's not every class. The other thing is it's a new approach so they're still working on figuring out how to make it work smoothly.
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Old 10-20-2005, 12:56 AM   #20
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group work is a good learning experience, but i agree, it's being used too much. For example, the last year at my school has been nothing but group projects. We are only allowed one group project in our portfolio... ya, that sucks ass.
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Old 10-20-2005, 01:06 AM   #21
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Group work is dumb. I shouldn't have to rely on 4-5 other people for my grade...
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Old 10-20-2005, 01:16 AM   #22
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Group work is dumb. I shouldn't have to rely on 4-5 other people for my grade...
That is why they have those evaluations at the end. If you did all the work on a B project, you'll get an A. Your groupmates will get a C. Yes, I know that relies on a certain amount of honesty.

I've had 6 interviews in the past week for ME and AE jobs. EVERY interviewer asked how I dealt with teamwork situations where people were not carrying their load. It sounds to me like groupwork is a very important aspect.

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Old 10-20-2005, 01:24 AM   #23
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Fach - What school do you go to in University City?

I'm in Wharton's ugrad program at UPenn and they really stress teams/groups in the coursework. They actually took it a step further in my management class, where we were not only graded by our instructor on how well our group worked together, but our group members graded each other on how well we worked with the group.

It is essential to be able to work effectively in groups, but "teams" in this type of sterile environment teach you nothing. I've learned a lot more about teamwork finishing projects for my job with coworkers than any class could teach.

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Old 10-20-2005, 01:29 AM   #24
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That is why they have those evaluations at the end. If you did all the work on a B project, you'll get an A. Your groupmates will get a C. Yes, I know that relies on a certain amount of honesty.

I've had 6 interviews in the past week for ME and AE jobs. EVERY interviewer asked how I dealt with teamwork situations where people were not carrying their load. It sounds to me like groupwork is a very important aspect.

~~Quentin
Sounds like you had a good experience with groupwork. When I had to do group work we never had evaluations afterwards. I understand the concept of groupwork and the benefits of it. I enjoy getting input from others and working with others, it's just a bummer when you get those people in your group that really don't care about what you are doing.
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Old 10-20-2005, 02:42 AM   #25
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I have never been in a work group where someone wasn't pulling their own weight. The only times that happened to me was in school. And nearly everything I do at work involves talking/coordinating/working with a bunch of people. IMO college group projects are total bs.
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