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Old 10-20-2005, 09:58 PM   #1
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ok first off...I posted this in Aftermarket FI because most of the EM forum is WRX & sti owners!...which I don't have

I was wondering just how well the Ultimage actualy works in my 98 MAF equiped car...

I understand the ultimate has the ability to RAISE REDLINE! And control individual cylinder functions...And do WAY more than any other piggyback EVER.

But...has anyone tryed it? What do you think? I can't wait to get some new CAMS and raise my redline!
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Old 10-20-2005, 10:32 PM   #2
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I know Hitokiri has been talking about the Emanage Ultimate a lot I'm assuming he has it setup now.

BTW Raising redline isn't all what it's cracked up to be. I have standalone and I can set redline to whatever I want but at some point valves start floating and the springs aren't moving fast enough. And you can spin a crankshaft bearing. And to do a high RPM buildup is quite expensive.
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Old 10-20-2005, 11:57 PM   #3
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yup

I am using it. It is amazing. It really is a revolution for piggybacks. It will raise redline on fuel cut cars (which ours are), and it does have individual injector trims, but by far the most amazing feature is the fuel tuning. Essentially with emanage ultimate you don't have to run any correction to the MAF/MAP sensor to compensate for bigger injectors. You can add and subtract directly from the injector pulse width signal that the stock ecu puts out, therefore leaving the MAF intact.

It has really inproved drivability with my setup. Idle is much better and my AFR under boost is much cleaner. Timing is much more predictable and the car will be much more tunable. Evolving from MAF correction is a huge step and I am very happy with its results. You can now run very large injectors with the ultimate. I will be installing a set of cut WRX injectors and will see how it takes care of them. It includes injector dead time calculations into the injector change offset therefore putting you much closer in tuning out your bigger injectors right from the start. Also chaging the injector pulse signal produces a much more linear change in fueling then modification to the sensor signals (obviously), but the difference in tuning is astounding. The result is much much better resolution in fuel mapping. I have found that clamping my MAF at 4.3v or so allows be to have the benefit of the MAF sensor's capabilities under light throttle, and amazing predicatibility of how it will behave up top. Keeping the ECU in its high load sites by not modifying the airflow (load) sensor keeps the timing consistant as well, so offsets to the timing under boost are much mroe repeatable because the ecu tracks in the 100% load site exclusively instead of hopping around in lower load sites it thought it was in because of modifications to the MAF.

I would definitly recomend it for any RST. Other notable features are the ability to eliminate the MAF sensor by defining the MAF output at all load sites. This indeed works I have had it working at idle, but I have not fully implemented it as of yet as I need more time to take logs and generate a basemap.

Other notable features include intake air temperature and coolant temperature fuel trims by rpm (1D), great throttle pump enrichtment, autotune (if you have a 0-5v wibeband), vehicle speed x rpm injector trim compensation (soo0000 great), map switching, throttle pump ignition modification (havent had a need for this but it looks cool), and datalogging that puts the old unit and most standalones to shame (20ms sample time while collecting ALL channels) it also dataloggs internally so you can take data without the computer hooked up, and upload from the unit later. I am very happy with the unit. Another great feature is that the unit builds on the blue emanages wiring, you you will on;y have to add a few wires to convert to ultimate.

Granted it does not completely take over fueling and timing a la utec, but it is by FAR the next best thing for us without WRX ecus.

remember that it is not a replacement for a wideband o2 and a good knock detection system!!! Both will be needed to produce a good tune. I recomend www.zeitronix.com its a good wideband and you can use the boost sensor for the zeitronix and save yourself from having to buy the Greddy unit.

There are a few features that are finished yet but will come through (so we are told) in later updates. these include: Knock detection (suposedly working but I couldn't get it to work), ignition timing display (they claim it will have standalone ignition mapping as well).

get one. you will not be disappointed.

If you are in the northeast, I would offer to show you around the unit and help you work it into your setup. Its a great product.

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Old 10-21-2005, 08:58 PM   #4
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wow...

I guess I will spend the extra couple hundred over the original emanage... It sounds like you are more than happy with it.

and yea...I live like 15 minutes from you lol
In the spring when my car is back on the road, I'll have to take you up on that offer! Can't wait to learn all about the new unit!
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Old 10-21-2005, 10:12 PM   #5
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does the emanage ultimate still use those dials like 3-4-0 used to make the emanage work on certain cars or can you set it all in the software so it can work with the 00-up rs's better?
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Old 10-21-2005, 11:34 PM   #6
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you select it all with software, and you can develope your own engine files and customize the settings. (some kid figured out how the engine setup files are organized). You basically select your engine and it sets it up for you. no more dip switches.
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Old 10-21-2005, 11:35 PM   #7
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yeam man come on by anytime and check it out.

keep me posted on your setup / if you are looking for help with it.
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Old 10-22-2005, 12:45 AM   #8
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1 kinda off topic but quick question about the emanage, can you install it on your car before you turbo? i want to install it and get it working before i install the turbo, if i installed it and didnt load any maps/etc the car would run fine? thanks
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Old 10-22-2005, 02:42 AM   #9
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is the ej25 engine selectable in the emanage software? if it is i think im gonna sell my blue emanage.
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Old 10-23-2005, 12:50 AM   #10
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no the ej25 is not selectable. it's still a matter of finding the right settings. My settings are for V5-V6 WRX as I have a 99 and they have essectially the same maf and ecu as me. You on the other hand are MAP based, and the blue emanage has always been picky with MAP cars. There doesn't seem to be rotart settings that work perfectly. But the ultimate solves this problem for MAP cars.

the beauty of the ultimate is that you don't have to mess with the MAP sensor at all anymore. All you have to do is clamp it, or even better just replace it with the airflow meter replacement map. This map defines the output voltage to the ecu with respect to boost and rpm. Get a relationship between your stock MAP and the MAP you are using for the load tables in the ECU and you will instantly have a great map for the "airflow output" map, and never have to deal with weird things the blue emanage is doing to the map sensor again. Or there is a secondary sensor scaling map that would allow you to simply clamp the voltage without messing with the signal.

either way you are good to go with the ultimate, it solves issues that 00+ RSs have with the emanage.
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Old 10-23-2005, 01:02 AM   #11
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so the ultimate makes it so you can replace the stock map with the emanage map? I had another piggyback that tried to do that (the split second FTC-1) and it couldnt get the car to even idle correctly. How exactly does the map correction on the emanage ultimate work? do you have to set key-on voltages and idle voltages and fill a table of all the voltages up to 0psi? The only problem the emanage blue has is that it makes the tps voltage drop below the stock ecu's threshold when in the 3-4-2 settings, once its changed to like 3-4-0 it seems to work fine but the map correction, if it really works would be a really nice feature to have.
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Old 10-23-2005, 11:41 AM   #12
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maybe I was a little confusing before.

there are two ways ultimate could be set up for MAP cars to avoid the issues that people have with the blue. One is to not even run the stock MAP into the ultimate for the airflow sensor at all. You would run it into the "analog output setting" map. (see att ached) This is simply a sensor scaling map that you could use to clamp the sensor to keep the stock ecu happy. You could then run the output of the analog output map to the ECU as well as the airflow sensor in on the ultimate to keep the ultimate happy, here you would not wire the airflow signal output from the emanage to anything.

The reason that you can do this is that the ultimate doen't use the airflow sensor to control fueling (you can if you want but who would be that dumb?) You control the pulse width the stock ecu sends to the injectors. I am running my car on WRX injectors with no MAF correction whatsoever.

The second way to do it would be to populate the "airflow output" map (see attached). It would be very easy to get a relationship between the stock sensor and the greddy (or in my case Zeitronix) sensor. Again, all the fueling is done to the injectors so the goal is to let the stock ecu see the correct load value and have its load pegged under boost.

Here is a screenshot of the ultimate maps I mentioned so you can get an idea of how they work.

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Old 10-23-2005, 04:48 PM   #13
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1 kinda off topic but quick question about the emanage, can you install it on your car before you turbo? i want to install it and get it working before i install the turbo, if i installed it and didnt load any maps/etc the car would run fine? thanks
ditto, my questions as well.

thats what I want to do.

OH! and questions #2: do you get CELs? in other words in CT here, all they do for emmissions on OBDII is plug in the car, key on, engine off, take a "all ready" reading, then start it.

All they look for is computer screen stuff, so as long as the computer says, THUMBS UP, then its ok....
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Old 10-23-2005, 05:30 PM   #14
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I just got inspected this week with it, I have no CELs but obviously I can't promise anything.

you can definitely install it before the turbo, thats a good idea. I did that when I installed my blue emanage.
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Old 10-23-2005, 05:36 PM   #15
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another question...

did you go from SOHC to DOHC? I was thinking If I install a JDM wrx motor, it will be a DOHC, where as my 96L is a SOHC....

My original plans are for a 1991-1994 EJ22T so all the sensors and cam wheels will be 99% the same...
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Old 10-23-2005, 06:13 PM   #16
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I haven't gotten the crank/cam signals working with my car anyways. The only additional feature have the crank/cam taped gives you is you can view actual ignition timing. The feature didn't work when I had them tapped so I disconnected them.
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Old 10-24-2005, 03:39 PM   #17
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the OEM ECM doesnt see them either? im a bit lost as to what you mean...

you need to come to my next CT meet, so we can talk...
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Old 10-24-2005, 05:01 PM   #18
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obviously the stock ecu sees them!!!!!

I though that you meant that you were worried about the emanage not seeing the right triggers, but you mean the stock ecu seeing the right triggers.

My longblock is stock
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OH! ok...

Im curious If I can run a DOHC engine on an SOHC ECM with emanage...
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you cant get the DOHC comp?
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well the emanage will work fine with either ecu, any problems you might have will be with the incompatibility of DOHC cam sync with the SOHC ecu.
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you cant get the DOHC comp?
Will a DOHC ECM plug into my harness?
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