Element Hydra vs Autronic

west_minist · 10-30-2005, 03:10 PM

Hi guys!

What do yo think of the Elemnet Hydra and the Autronic?

Do you think the Hydra is a lot mature now over the autronic?

Since Element is mainly a Subaru tuner company, whats benefits are there for novice tuners like myself w/ hardly any tuning knowledge and would prefer to use the AutoTune feature?

Is the AutoTune feature adequate or lack the maturity, since the Hydra is fairly new?

Do you have fine control over AVCS?

Can it work with Automatic WRX's?

Back to AutoTune, can the Hydra work on par with the OEM, or the OEM is just to advance?

Thanks guys.

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StealthWRX · 10-30-2005, 03:43 PM

im pretty sure the hydra isnt new, element tuning just sells hydras with thier name for the subaru, but hydra itself has been around.

stu · 10-30-2005, 05:27 PM

I feel the auto tune plus a good base map work really well. you can have a pretty nice tune in about an hour of driving on a uncrowded road.
the hydra can control the avcs and just about everything else you can throw at it.
it just keeps getting better, I am very glad I bought the hydra .

Later Jeff

west_minist · 10-30-2005, 09:35 PM

The thing is, that it is not to far price from the other ecus like autronic and motec.

The thing I like about it that it seems subaruish.

There seems to be a nice community who have it and good support in software and so on.

The subaru ecu is fantastic. The best in the world I think. All of there cars benefit from it.

Here where I live, Toyota, Nissan, Mitsubishi cannot compare in ecu learning.

I bragged a lot about my ecu with the others. It take my ecu a couple of minutes to learn and smooth learning a couple of hours to days. The others, weeks

LOL.

I am thinking about getting it and have contacted Element on this.

I like the AutoTune feature and it will get better.

I have the strangest feeling that this company is some what have a relationship to Motec.

Motec >> Autronic >> Hydra

Do you guys have any problems right now w/ it that you cannot wait for a software upgrade?

Also, why does it take a longer time to start compare to the oem one?

west_minist · 10-30-2005, 09:41 PM

Also, why does the STI cost more than the WRX one?

What does the hydra comes along w/?

Newbie Subie · 10-30-2005, 09:46 PM

It takes longer to start becuse of the cylinder fire order. Contact Phil for more info...but

I love my Hydra!!!!! Ive had Ecutek, UniChip, UTEC HYdra is leapes and bounds better that all of these.
<---------------------------------

offset · 10-30-2005, 10:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by west_minist

Also, why does the STI cost more than the WRX one?

DBW - Drive by Wire (would be my guess)

offset

west_minist · 10-30-2005, 10:13 PM

I was trying to think of reasons, but you are correct. Most probably DBW and maybe AVCS.

I will have to wait from them to see.

pux888 · 10-31-2005, 12:27 PM

the wrx hydra supports AVCS, so i would think DBW as well.

west_minist · 10-31-2005, 12:30 PM

I think I might call them. Getting very excited on this ecu.

stu · 10-31-2005, 07:49 PM

you wont be disapointed just give yourself a litle time to adjust to it and you will be happy.

west_minist · 10-31-2005, 08:20 PM

Ok. Now, anyone with the Autronics?

dentsport · 10-31-2005, 10:34 PM

Try giving Pat Richard at Rocket Rally a call. (http://www.rocketrally.com/) He has used the Autronic in a number of setups and is pretty knowledgeable about it.

It depends which autronic you are comparing to the hydra...if you want AVCS control you will have to get the SM4. To get the autotune to work on the Autronic you will also have to calibrate your o2 sensor, that is unless you want to buy the o2 sensor from Autronics which happens to be very pricey. I personally think the Autronic is a great ecu, but definitely not for 99% of applications. Talk to Rocket Rally and then make your decision. Best of luck.

Louis
www.dentsport.com
781-551-3399

west_minist · 10-31-2005, 10:50 PM

Thanks a lot.

I have been research autronic for 2 years now - crossover from Toyota to Subaru, but was always subaru until I really started to drive the L series way back, realising that it was a better platform, years ahead of its time.

west_minist · 11-01-2005, 01:17 PM

I spoke to Phil today and I am impress.

My only problem is that I have an auto. There can be support, but because Element Tuning to not have Auto's to test, there are no controls for the Auto when shifting.

I guess that I can work with him later to resolve this.

But guys, I am very very impress with this product.

If I do buy it, which will be next year, I will be having the new version that will be coming out later this year.

I thank everyone for their input.

Best of luck.

bboy · 11-01-2005, 03:09 PM

Maybe you should tune the auto shifts and supply the map others. I'm sure Phil can get you started, the rest is tuning.

west_minist · 11-01-2005, 04:03 PM

Its a little more than that. THere need to be inputs, which I guess is not difficult, then how the software handle it before mapping can begin.

If that happens, then Phil will have the maps.

10-30-2005, 03:10 PM	#1
west_minist Scooby Specialist Member#: 53451 Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Caribbean Vehicle: 2000 JDM Impreza SRX w/ AVCS Silver	Element Hydra vs Autronic Hi guys! What do yo think of the Elemnet Hydra and the Autronic? Do you think the Hydra is a lot mature now over the autronic? Since Element is mainly a Subaru tuner company, whats benefits are there for novice tuners like myself w/ hardly any tuning knowledge and would prefer to use the AutoTune feature? Is the AutoTune feature adequate or lack the maturity, since the Hydra is fairly new? Do you have fine control over AVCS? Can it work with Automatic WRX's? Back to AutoTune, can the Hydra work on par with the OEM, or the OEM is just to advance? Thanks guys. * Registered users of the site do not see these ads.

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StealthWRX Scooby Specialist Member#: 50175 Join Date: Dec 2003 Chapter/Region: MAIC Location: EMOTION/Andrewtech/TurboXS Vehicle: RHD Bugeye & '11LGT Brainchild Customs	im pretty sure the hydra isnt new, element tuning just sells hydras with thier name for the subaru, but hydra itself has been around.

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stu Scooby Specialist Member#: 25768 Join Date: Oct 2002 Chapter/Region: RMIC Location: CO springs Vehicle: 35R bugeye Awdsome	I feel the auto tune plus a good base map work really well. you can have a pretty nice tune in about an hour of driving on a uncrowded road. the hydra can control the avcs and just about everything else you can throw at it. it just keeps getting better, I am very glad I bought the hydra . Later Jeff

10-30-2005, 09:35 PM	#4
west_minist Scooby Specialist Member#: 53451 Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Caribbean Vehicle: 2000 JDM Impreza SRX w/ AVCS Silver	The thing is, that it is not to far price from the other ecus like autronic and motec. The thing I like about it that it seems subaruish. There seems to be a nice community who have it and good support in software and so on. The subaru ecu is fantastic. The best in the world I think. All of there cars benefit from it. Here where I live, Toyota, Nissan, Mitsubishi cannot compare in ecu learning. I bragged a lot about my ecu with the others. It take my ecu a couple of minutes to learn and smooth learning a couple of hours to days. The others, weeks LOL. I am thinking about getting it and have contacted Element on this. I like the AutoTune feature and it will get better. I have the strangest feeling that this company is some what have a relationship to Motec. Motec >> Autronic >> Hydra Do you guys have any problems right now w/ it that you cannot wait for a software upgrade? Also, why does it take a longer time to start compare to the oem one?

10-30-2005, 09:41 PM	#5
west_minist Scooby Specialist Member#: 53451 Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Caribbean Vehicle: 2000 JDM Impreza SRX w/ AVCS Silver	Also, why does the STI cost more than the WRX one? What does the hydra comes along w/?

10-30-2005, 09:46 PM	#6
Newbie Subie Scooby Specialist Member#: 20214 Join Date: Jun 2002 Chapter/Region: SCIC Location: Ventura, CA Vehicle: 07 Acura RDX 390WHP no more	It takes longer to start becuse of the cylinder fire order. Contact Phil for more info...but I love my Hydra!!!!! Ive had Ecutek, UniChip, UTEC HYdra is leapes and bounds better that all of these. <---------------------------------

10-30-2005, 10:13 PM	#8
west_minist Scooby Specialist Member#: 53451 Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Caribbean Vehicle: 2000 JDM Impreza SRX w/ AVCS Silver	I was trying to think of reasons, but you are correct. Most probably DBW and maybe AVCS. I will have to wait from them to see.

10-31-2005, 12:27 PM	#9
pux888 Scooby Specialist Member#: 8356 Join Date: Jul 2001 Chapter/Region: South East Vehicle: 02 STi swap 12 WRX limited	the wrx hydra supports AVCS, so i would think DBW as well.

10-31-2005, 12:30 PM	#10
west_minist Scooby Specialist Member#: 53451 Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Caribbean Vehicle: 2000 JDM Impreza SRX w/ AVCS Silver	I think I might call them. Getting very excited on this ecu.

10-31-2005, 07:49 PM	#11
stu Scooby Specialist Member#: 25768 Join Date: Oct 2002 Chapter/Region: RMIC Location: CO springs Vehicle: 35R bugeye Awdsome	you wont be disapointed just give yourself a litle time to adjust to it and you will be happy.

10-31-2005, 08:20 PM	#12
west_minist Scooby Specialist Member#: 53451 Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Caribbean Vehicle: 2000 JDM Impreza SRX w/ AVCS Silver	Ok. Now, anyone with the Autronics?

10-31-2005, 10:34 PM	#13
dentsport Former Vendor Member#: 71201 Join Date: Sep 2004 Chapter/Region: NESIC Location: Norwood, MA/www.dentsport.com Vehicle: Shop Sport Service 781-551-3399	Try giving Pat Richard at Rocket Rally a call. (http://www.rocketrally.com/) He has used the Autronic in a number of setups and is pretty knowledgeable about it. It depends which autronic you are comparing to the hydra...if you want AVCS control you will have to get the SM4. To get the autotune to work on the Autronic you will also have to calibrate your o2 sensor, that is unless you want to buy the o2 sensor from Autronics which happens to be very pricey. I personally think the Autronic is a great ecu, but definitely not for 99% of applications. Talk to Rocket Rally and then make your decision. Best of luck. Louis www.dentsport.com 781-551-3399

10-31-2005, 10:50 PM	#14
west_minist Scooby Specialist Member#: 53451 Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Caribbean Vehicle: 2000 JDM Impreza SRX w/ AVCS Silver	Thanks a lot. I have been research autronic for 2 years now - crossover from Toyota to Subaru, but was always subaru until I really started to drive the L series way back, realising that it was a better platform, years ahead of its time.

11-01-2005, 01:17 PM	#15
west_minist Scooby Specialist Member#: 53451 Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Caribbean Vehicle: 2000 JDM Impreza SRX w/ AVCS Silver	I spoke to Phil today and I am impress. My only problem is that I have an auto. There can be support, but because Element Tuning to not have Auto's to test, there are no controls for the Auto when shifting. I guess that I can work with him later to resolve this. But guys, I am very very impress with this product. If I do buy it, which will be next year, I will be having the new version that will be coming out later this year. I thank everyone for their input. Best of luck.

11-01-2005, 03:09 PM	#16
bboy Scooby Specialist Member#: 56468 Join Date: Mar 2004 Chapter/Region: NWIC Location: Seattle, WA Vehicle: 04 Improved STI Dirty White	Maybe you should tune the auto shifts and supply the map others. I'm sure Phil can get you started, the rest is tuning.

11-01-2005, 04:03 PM	#17
west_minist Scooby Specialist Member#: 53451 Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Caribbean Vehicle: 2000 JDM Impreza SRX w/ AVCS Silver	Its a little more than that. THere need to be inputs, which I guess is not difficult, then how the software handle it before mapping can begin. If that happens, then Phil will have the maps.