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Old 11-01-2005, 02:24 PM   #1
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Default Any advantage to a protune AP Stage II? Anyone sharing protune maps??

Im running Helix UP/DP with a stromung dual tip catback. Currently I'm running AP stage II right off the shelf.

Couple questions. With this setup what kind of gains, if any could you get from a protune.

Second, is there anyone out there sharing protune maps? Anyone have one that I could try with my setup?

Just wondering...
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Old 11-01-2005, 02:32 PM   #2
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goodluck finding someone sharing maps. People had to pay for that protune map that they have. Of course there are advantages to getting a custom protune but someone elses map may not be right for your car, even in a protune. Your better off using the OTS map by cobb since it was created with the thought of many different places are using it. Stage 2 is fine with your setup and I would leave it till you start to get more crazy with the mods, then a protune will be necessary.
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Old 11-01-2005, 02:39 PM   #3
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I reailze people gotta pay for their protunes... But I have seen generous folk post and share some maps.

I'm happy with my setup and performance of my car but if someone had a map for a similar setup I would be curiou to see the results.
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Old 11-01-2005, 02:48 PM   #4
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I reailze people gotta pay for their protunes... But there are generous people I have seen who have posted/shared some maps.

I'm happy with my setup and performance of my car but if someone had a map for a similar setup I would be curiou to see the results.
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Old 11-01-2005, 03:21 PM   #5
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Part of the reason people don't share custom tuned maps is because it is generally considered unsafe to run them on other cars. A custom tuned map pushes the limit, according to the variables of that particular car. While there may be a small margin of safety, it is a lot smaller than what you would see on a base map - certainly not enough to guarantee that it will run properly on a broad range of cars. I mean, do you share prescription drugs with your friends? It's basically the same principle.
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Old 11-01-2005, 03:30 PM   #6
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I mean, do you share prescription drugs with your friends?
Depends on what kind!
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Old 11-01-2005, 03:32 PM   #7
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Part of the reason people don't share custom tuned maps is because it is generally considered unsafe to run them on other cars. A custom tuned map pushes the limit, according to the variables of that particular car. While there may be a small margin of safety, it is a lot smaller than what you would see on a base map - certainly not enough to guarantee that it will run properly on a broad range of cars. I mean, do you share prescription drugs with your friends? It's basically the same principle.
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Old 11-01-2005, 03:35 PM   #8
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fair enough.. but yeah I do share my prescription drugs with friends..

as long as they have money that is
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Old 11-01-2005, 03:36 PM   #9
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Depends on what kind!
What, like viccodin? I hope none of you guys are violating federal law.
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Old 11-01-2005, 03:39 PM   #10
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I test friends drugs to make sure they are safe and no one gets hurt
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Old 11-01-2005, 04:27 PM   #11
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I wouldn't share my protune map with anyone out of respect for my tuner. Sure you paid for it, but it's still the intellectual property of the tuner. You can buy windows xp but that doesn't give you the right to make copies for everyone else. I would hesitate sharing a street tuner version of my map if my tuner were to give me one. It's just not right. That's how you put tuners out of business. In the end you screw the community and yourself. Go with the cobb stage maps in this case, that's what they are made for.
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Old 11-01-2005, 05:22 PM   #12
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I wouldn't share my protune map with anyone out of respect for my tuner. Sure you paid for it, but it's still the intellectual property of the tuner. You can buy windows xp but that doesn't give you the right to make copies for everyone else. I would hesitate sharing a street tuner version of my map if my tuner were to give me one. It's just not right. That's how you put tuners out of business. In the end you screw the community and yourself. Go with the cobb stage maps in this case, that's what they are made for.
Well in the case of the Street tuner Cobb designed for the consumer to be able to share maps.I think its an awsome idea that allows for serious growth and learning in the art of tuning.
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Old 11-01-2005, 05:31 PM   #13
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I wouldn't share my protune map with anyone out of respect for my tuner. Sure you paid for it, but it's still the intellectual property of the tuner.
Give me a break.

Sharing is how we grow.
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Old 11-01-2005, 05:35 PM   #14
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What if you were a tuner and you made a kick butt map for one person and they gave it to everyone else? People have to make a living. Stop being selfish. Get street tuner and make your own maps and share them then. Share your own intellectual property, not others' without permission.

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Old 11-01-2005, 06:18 PM   #15
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What if you were a tuner and you made a kick butt map for one person and they gave it to everyone else? People have to make a living. Stop being selfish. Get street tuner and make your own maps and share them then. Share your own intellectual property, not others' without permission.
Wouldn't matter, according to most peoples arguments above: A ProTuned map on a car other than the one it was tuned on is more likely to detonate and may or may not make any more power than a OTS map.
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Old 11-01-2005, 06:41 PM   #16
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Very true.. unless the two people have exact same mods.. even then.. It really depends on the tune. If you have a knife edge tune then it most likely wouldn't work too well on another car. If you got a pretty safe tune that isn't super aggressive it could work well on a very similar car. Either way, maybe we just need more street tuner maps being shared.

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Wouldn't matter, according to most peoples arguments above: A ProTuned map on a car other than the one it was tuned on is more likely to detonate and may or may not make any more power than a OTS map.
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Old 11-01-2005, 06:54 PM   #17
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. Sure you paid for it, but it's still the intellectual property of the tuner. .
intellectual property of the tuner? are you joking? It's your map, YOU paid for it, EOS. If you wish to share it, it's your choice and your tuner cannot say anything about it. If you wish to sell it to someone else for a fraction of what you paid for it, that is also your option. That's the way the AP and ST are designed and set up.

hardly the same as pirating SW. Microsoft explicity (sp) prohibits that, i don't ever remember reading any such document prohibiting the sharing/reselling of custom PT/ST maps.

I"m not condoning just running any old custom map on your car, just making a point. I have both ST and PT custom maps, i have shared them, but i have recently decided that it's only fair to charge to help recoup the cost i paid for them. And i also warn the users of these maps repeadeatly to be able to monitor boost, EGT, KC values, IAM etc etc to make sure the map is not hurting your car.
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Old 11-01-2005, 07:51 PM   #18
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you can't share street tuner maps unless the other person has purchased street tuner. so that's kind of a moot point.

as far as the windows XP argument, i haven't seen or heard any tuners forcing users to sign or agree to any license type things like software vendors have. but with that said, ed at eqtuning.com did an awesome tune for my car and i'm just not going to share it.
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Old 11-01-2005, 08:05 PM   #19
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you can't share streettuner maps but you can share protuned maps through accessport.

and not only is it allowed and accepted, its encouraged. thats the point of the accessport... to be able to reflash your own ECU with cobbs maps or anyone elses. It is Nothing like pirating computer software

Now if the tuner doesn't want to share his map than that's his choice.. but thats as far as it goes
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Old 11-01-2005, 08:37 PM   #20
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I don't think you're actually paying for the map. You're paying for the tuner's work. I still think the map is the tuners' intellectual property. That's just the way I see it.
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Old 11-08-2005, 12:43 PM   #21
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Have any tuners complained to about IP?

If they want to be protected, should maps also require a key or be tied to a VIN number?
The system seems pretty open right now.

I was curious if that was a concern.
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Old 11-08-2005, 12:52 PM   #22
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I gained about 30hp and 30tq and went from 13.5psi to 16.5. Total numbers were 244/240 @ 16.5.

I would sugest that sharing maps is a bad idea. If it were as simple as finding a simaler set-up I would suspect cobb would just put them out there. Obviously there are quite a few factors that dictate the tune, and its results, and that it is just a bad idea to load up someone elses map. Keep in mind this is not a cobb thing, as it has been the same way with the other tunable managment mods in the past. Just because two people have Euteck, and vf34/pinks/walbro does not mean the maps are the same.

Of course this does not even bring into account that people pay good money to have there cars tunned. This and I want my tunner to stay in buisness so that he is still around in the future for me.

Don't forget the tunner has to pay for the dyno, his rent, and for cobbs software and liscencing. These things are expensive, the 300 or so it costs for the tune is well worth it in my mind.
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