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Old 11-06-2005, 05:31 PM   #1
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Default EJ22T is a piece of poop. EJ22T rundown from supermoose perspective

word. this thread is designed to rile things up....

Ej22t is a piece of poop. its like a 45 year old hottie, the problem is the 45 year old part....its only worth picking up if you pay somthing like $400 bux for it.

for the fanboy bandgagon jumpers that like to say that its the strongest blah blah blah - you're idiots. how many fanboys of the EJ22t have actually owned one or had a chance to compare it to all the other great subaru engines out there?

SOHC HLA heads, no intercooler, rudementary EMS in comparison to EJ20G of the time, tiny turd turbine, etc etc. AN EJ20G closed deck is a stronger block than a EJ22. use brain think- thicker walls, same closed deck and oil squirters, ANY it was availible with STI forged pistons, STi blueprinted and built. AND u can get them with 50,000 miles and 8500 RPM heads. try that with a pile of crap USDM SOHC with 150,000 turd miles. youll spend most your time cleaning off the frekin EJ22t so u can look at it and touch it without making your hand full of poop grease.

Closed deck is meaningless to pretty much everyon on this forum ex for soon2bgreat, and even then he makes 500 wheel on OPEN DECK (yes, its semi-closed but not much differnt from open imo). perhaps at 500+ wheel it makes a diff, ive seen plenty of open deck 300 wheel daily driven EJ205's, and the only thing that goes on those guys is the ringlands from the ones ive ran into. however, i dont play with usdm - my brain is in JDM land......

the phase 1 closed deck blocks have weaker crankshaft bearing layouts than the open decks. YES, i have ran a closed deck EJ20, YES i did spin it to almost 9K on the track, and yes it did spin a rod bearing for some reason or other - yet to be determined. AND YES the crank/bearings/rods are identical to the industructale EJ22t.

if you think a EJ22t will spin to taht in sorry 150K mile condition and not blow up, you are sorely mistaken.

EJ205 > ej22t ANYDAY. the only decent part of the EJ22t is the shortblock, its the cheap trick to a slightly bigger displacement block.

EJ205 in my opion is a bit un-optimized and hindered, BUT it is a good engine. walk any EJ22T at however much money with more than 50% of stock parts. hahah.

so all you fanboys of ej22t whatevers..........good luck with your 16 second 1/4 miles. those with realistic viewpoints that have a EJ22t in your impreza, i give you props for keeping an OG powerplant alive. for those pondering the swap, i suggest a EJ205 or a JDM EJ20.

but, in summation- EJ22t is a piece of poop.




yes, my RA will walk a GTR...
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Old 11-06-2005, 05:52 PM   #2
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Ej22t is a piece of poop. its like a 45 year old hottie, the problem is the 45 year old part....its only worth picking up if you pay somthing like $400 bux for it.
ej22t is a whole 4 years older than your beloved v2.


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SOHC HLA heads, no intercooler, rudementary EMS in comparison to EJ20G of the time, tiny turd turbine, etc etc. AN EJ20G closed deck is a stronger block than a EJ22. use brain think- thicker walls, same closed deck and oil squirters, ANY it was availible with STI forged pistons, STi blueprinted and built. AND u can get them with 50,000 miles and 8500 RPM heads. try that with a pile of crap USDM SOHC with 150,000 turd miles. youll spend most your time cleaning off the frekin EJ22t so u can look at it and touch it without making your hand full of poop grease.
all valid points. Nothing to argue here.

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Closed deck is meaningless to pretty much everyon on this forum ex for soon2bgreat, and even then he makes 500 wheel on OPEN DECK (yes, its semi-closed but not much differnt from open imo). perhaps at 500+ wheel it makes a diff, ive seen plenty of open deck 300 wheel daily driven EJ205's, and the only thing that goes on those guys is the ringlands from the ones ive ran into. however, i dont play with usdm - my brain is in JDM land......
we figured that out a long time ago, but thanks for reverbarating it.


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the phase 1 closed deck blocks have weaker crankshaft bearing layouts than the open decks. YES, i have ran a closed deck EJ20, YES i did spin it to almost 9K on the track, and yes it did spin a rod bearing for some reason or other - yet to be determined.
whatever, ive never seen a 22t with a spun bearing, yet ive seen dozens of wrxs with them personally. Let alone the wrx guys on here.



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if you think a EJ22t will spin to taht in sorry 150K mile condition and not blow up, you are sorely mistaken.
absolute rubbish. Xephyr did it with a 150k mile more, in fact he spun it much higher than you lost your bearings at before he lost his.

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EJ205 > ej22t ANYDAY. the only decent part of the EJ22t is the shortblock, its the cheap trick to a slightly bigger displacement block.
in a lot of ways yes. But it really should be considering it generally costs 4X as much as a 22t would cost you, and id still take a 22t personally.

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EJ205 in my opion is a bit un-optimized and hindered, BUT it is a good engine. walk any EJ22T at however much money with more than 50% of stock parts. hahah.
agreed.




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yes, my RA will walk a GTR...
yes, there are at least 2 ej22t powered cars on this forum that would walk your car. cheers

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Old 11-06-2005, 06:00 PM   #3
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Sounds like someone woke up on the wrong side of bed.

I'm not going to argue the lower points of the "turbo legacy" Some of the things you mentioned have nothing to do with the block itself, but rather how the turbo legacy was setup. As a complete engine, about the only things I'd say that really could use some work is the heads. They valves aren't too large, and the hyrdaulic lifters.....your comment about the EJ20G block being stronger because it's thicker is poop. The casting is going to be roughly similar, the sleeves will be different. Irregardless, we're talking small amounts of aluminum that really isn't going to make a hill a beans different.
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Old 11-06-2005, 07:05 PM   #4
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Great, that is your opinion. however, after seeing rally teams and tuners using them (even replacing the sti block with the 22t) i am going to believe them. especially with talkingwith guys over at legacy central and finding out the crazy things they have done to them.

are you still cranky for getting your car hit then vandalizing someone else's?
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Old 11-06-2005, 07:11 PM   #5
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I dont understand why everyone has a vendetta against the ej22t, although I have a theory. But ill keep it to myself
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Old 11-06-2005, 07:14 PM   #6
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Eh, my junkyard ej22 with rs heads went 12.44 @107 at 5800ft above sea level. On a small t3/t4 turbo. I paid $250 for the shortblock. ALL subaru longblock, link ems and modded wrx inejectors with a tiny topmount. Stock tranny and exedy clutch- stock open rear diff too. Walk what? The new setup will also be ej22 powered, but with a 2.5 crank as well. Should be out first race next season. I expect to drop alomst 3 seconds on my previous time with my new setup. I have changed EVERYTHING since then.

However, ej22t's are getting harder and harder to find in decent price with fairly low milage. In the next build I might just push an ej257.
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Old 11-06-2005, 07:15 PM   #7
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what about the 22t block with 205 heads running 2.0 ems tuened for 2.2
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Old 11-06-2005, 07:27 PM   #8
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or a 2.2t running Ver2 RA heads and forged 100mm pistons, and other assorted goodies?




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Old 11-06-2005, 09:08 PM   #9
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yes, there are at least 2 ej22t powered cars on this forum that would walk your car. cheers
I can name one located in South Florida going under the nic name "Sling Shot"
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Old 11-06-2005, 09:42 PM   #11
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Agree with josh that the layout wasnt well sorted for the poor ej22t, but how many parts do they really share??

I was standing in Matt Monson's garage three weeks ago and he hands me 2 pistons, one for a 22t and one from an RA, he looks at me and says of the 22t " not forged like the RA ones but still super strong, great little motor really"

not to mention(as quoted by your first post) you are comparing sti prepped & blue printed to a production engine. hmmmmm
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Yes they suck, don't buy 'em.

More for me!!11

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Old 11-06-2005, 10:17 PM   #13
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Moose this isnt the best way to prove your point. You cant compare your engine to a EJ22t just like I cant compare my engine to yours and yet someone with a Ver 7 spec C cant compare their engine to mine.

It is much better to state facts about the EJ22t engine and let people come to their own conclusions.

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Old 11-06-2005, 11:16 PM   #14
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haha. i just wanted to rile things up a bit.

i honestly dont care who walks who. my G is a bit on the slow side imo.

i just dont enjoy the hype about the EJ22t. its just a old motor with some good bits.
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hahha. we all know that a EJ22t shortblock transplantted into a set of good heads (sohc JE25) or EJ20X is good.

rumpus rumpus rumpus
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I can name one located in South Florida going under the nic name "Sling Shot"
What?

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EJ22T engine = eh/not worth the wiring hassle for the performance in a swap...engine management isn't easy like a sti/wrx swap...also the engine is no doubt old and most likely could use a rebuild...
EJ22T block = worth it for high horsepower, more specifically high boost applications...

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Old 11-06-2005, 11:55 PM   #20
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i concur. my point EXACTALLY.

although, you can buy a good condition EJ20G closed deck shortblock for less than a EJ22T block in need of rebuild will cost you....

me=too lazy to rebuild things....any my powergoals not nearly as lofty as many.
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i concur. my point EXACTALLY.
I'm glad we see eye to eye

can I have your car...so I can put my stuff in a wagon ?...j/k
I need a wagon that can walk a GTR
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hahah. well, the walking a GTR is obviously conditional - 0-80 :P
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right, moose, the one thing you, and everyone else missed in this thread is its not an ej22t, its an ej22G
what does that mean??

same basic design as your old block. the block is good, its not great.

im just not a fan of phase 1 any more. the real 2.2 block worth a damn is the one i dont even need to say. its not a legacy turbo block,(even though its still labled as an ej22G) and if you dont agree with me on that, ill wait for matt to chime in on the subject.

and why compare heads? legacy turbo heads just blow nuts
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right, moose, the one thing you, and everyone else missed in this thread is its not an ej22t, its an ej22G
I gave up on calling it that because everytime I'd post it I'd get people asking what it was and the occassional rude asshat telling me to burn in hell...
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and why compare heads? legacy turbo heads just blow nuts
ROFL...waiting for the flow bench numbers and people to stick up for it...I know my WRX heads suck and I'll admit it...now wait for them to compare the two...
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right, moose, the one thing you, and everyone else missed in this thread is its not an ej22t, its an ej22G
what does that mean??
no, its not. The engine code actually is ej22t, ej22g is the 22b STi engine

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they flow 75% of what wrx heads do.
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