Welcome to the North American Subaru Impreza Owners Club Tuesday March 19, 2024
Home Forums Images WikiNASIOC Products Store Modifications Upgrade Garage
NASIOC
Go Back   NASIOC > NASIOC Technical > Engine Management & Tuning

Welcome to NASIOC - The world's largest online community for Subaru enthusiasts!
Welcome to the NASIOC.com Subaru forum.

You are currently viewing our forum as a guest, which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our community, free of charge, you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. Registration is free, fast and simple, so please join our community today!

If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact us.







* As an Amazon Associate I earn from qualifying purchases. 
* Registered users of the site do not see these ads. 
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 11-06-2005, 10:09 PM   #1
ofay
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 69621
Join Date: Sep 2004
Chapter/Region: TXIC
Location: CLC
Vehicle:
05 mines wrx RIP
still hatin ROTAS

Default AP with top mount

Im gonna run AP stage 2, and later on add a pnp td04 and the jdm sti top mount, will the AP be able to handle this as long as I dont race the car alot? Im in texas so there are not alot of options as far as getting tuned.
* Registered users of the site do not see these ads.
ofay is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
* Registered users of the site do not see these ads.
Old 11-07-2005, 01:58 AM   #2
mcowger
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 77483
Join Date: Dec 2004
Chapter/Region: NWIC
Location: Seattle, WA
Vehicle:
2009 Audi A3 2.0T q
Lava Grey

Default

AP will handle the TMIC no problem. Wont get nearly as much out of it as with a profesional tune, but you wont blow up the car either/.
mcowger is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-07-2005, 06:27 AM   #3
subablunc
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 55923
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: gloups !
Default

you have ST, is it easy to use ? what are your mods?

have you tuned your car with ST ? did you change timing etc. ?
subablunc is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-07-2005, 12:56 PM   #4
mcowger
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 77483
Join Date: Dec 2004
Chapter/Region: NWIC
Location: Seattle, WA
Vehicle:
2009 Audi A3 2.0T q
Lava Grey

Default

ST is pretty easy to use. I find it easier than the UTEC. My engine mods are basically just a TBE, but shortly (when I find the time to install the crap sitting in my garage) to be a VF39, injectors and fuel pump.

I have tuned the car, and yes, have added a bit of timing to some locations on the map.
mcowger is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-07-2005, 04:36 PM   #5
subablunc
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 55923
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: gloups !
Question

do you think I can start by using a stg 2 map and then tune with ST ?

and will the car start and run with the only stg 2 map ?
subablunc is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-07-2005, 05:10 PM   #6
mcowger
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 77483
Join Date: Dec 2004
Chapter/Region: NWIC
Location: Seattle, WA
Vehicle:
2009 Audi A3 2.0T q
Lava Grey

Default

The car will start, but run QUITE poorly. Your best bet would be to find someone on wrxforums.com with a similar setup, get them to send you their map, and tune from there.
mcowger is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-07-2005, 10:36 PM   #7
ofay
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 69621
Join Date: Sep 2004
Chapter/Region: TXIC
Location: CLC
Vehicle:
05 mines wrx RIP
still hatin ROTAS

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by mcowger
The car will start, but run QUITE poorly. Your best bet would be to find someone on wrxforums.com with a similar setup, get them to send you their map, and tune from there.
so your saying on just ap my car will run porely
ofay is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-07-2005, 11:04 PM   #8
mcowger
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 77483
Join Date: Dec 2004
Chapter/Region: NWIC
Location: Seattle, WA
Vehicle:
2009 Audi A3 2.0T q
Lava Grey

Default

No, I'm saying that on a Stage 2 map your car will run like ass. On a proper map (AP, EcuTek, UTEC, StreetTuner), you car will run fine.

You dont seem to be getting this. Lemme make it REAL clear:

*****WITHOUT A PROPER MAP DESIGNED FOR YOUR TURBO/INJECTORS, YOUR CAR WILL RUN LIKE ASS. WITH A PROPER MAP, IT WILL RUN FINE.******
mcowger is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-08-2005, 11:44 AM   #9
ofay
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 69621
Join Date: Sep 2004
Chapter/Region: TXIC
Location: CLC
Vehicle:
05 mines wrx RIP
still hatin ROTAS

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by mcowger
No, I'm saying that on a Stage 2 map your car will run like ass. On a proper map (AP, EcuTek, UTEC, StreetTuner), you car will run fine.

You dont seem to be getting this. Lemme make it REAL clear:

*****WITHOUT A PROPER MAP DESIGNED FOR YOUR TURBO/INJECTORS, YOUR CAR WILL RUN LIKE ASS. WITH A PROPER MAP, IT WILL RUN FINE.******
define your running like ass qualities then, because to me running like ass means that the car barely runs and needs to be tuned immediatly and im thinking that you mean running like ass is more closely related to not running as optimal as it could.


Which is a huge differnce, because my version of running like ass is barely drivable, while what i think you mean is fine for driving around just not racing alot, or constant track runs.
ofay is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-08-2005, 11:53 AM   #10
mcowger
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 77483
Join Date: Dec 2004
Chapter/Region: NWIC
Location: Seattle, WA
Vehicle:
2009 Audi A3 2.0T q
Lava Grey

Default

Its in between. The car will run well enough to take a 50 mile drive to your tuner.

Think of it this way. Your stock injectors flow about 440cc. The pinks flow about 565cc. Thats a ~25% difference. If you run the car with mapping designed for stock injectors (e.g. a Stage 2 map), the car will be shoving in 25% too much fuel at every load point. Thats incredibly, over the top rich. The car WILL run, but you'll get plenty of black soot on your bumper, nice unburned gas smells, probably some idle problems, very likely some stumbling issues, to say nothing of poor performance.

Its FAR closer to the 'not running' side than the 'not running optimally' side.
mcowger is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-08-2005, 01:30 PM   #11
subablunc
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 55923
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: gloups !
Default

my stock injectors are 380 cc (but I switched to pinks).

are US WRX stock injectors 440 cc ?
subablunc is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-08-2005, 02:11 PM   #12
mcowger
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 77483
Join Date: Dec 2004
Chapter/Region: NWIC
Location: Seattle, WA
Vehicle:
2009 Audi A3 2.0T q
Lava Grey

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by subablunc
my stock injectors are 380 cc (but I switched to pinks).

are US WRX stock injectors 440 cc ?
Thats what they are commonly agreed to be around for the USDM.
mcowger is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-09-2005, 01:08 AM   #13
ofay
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 69621
Join Date: Sep 2004
Chapter/Region: TXIC
Location: CLC
Vehicle:
05 mines wrx RIP
still hatin ROTAS

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by mcowger
Its in between. The car will run well enough to take a 50 mile drive to your tuner.

Think of it this way. Your stock injectors flow about 440cc. The pinks flow about 565cc. Thats a ~25% difference. If you run the car with mapping designed for stock injectors (e.g. a Stage 2 map), the car will be shoving in 25% too much fuel at every load point. Thats incredibly, over the top rich. The car WILL run, but you'll get plenty of black soot on your bumper, nice unburned gas smells, probably some idle problems, very likely some stumbling issues, to say nothing of poor performance.

Its FAR closer to the 'not running' side than the 'not running optimally' side.
im not gonna be on pinks or a map that requires pinks. Cobbs map says stock injectors and with an upgraded top mount to monitor egt.


Thank you for proving that you have no clue what you are talking about and your opinion invalid
ofay is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-09-2005, 07:17 AM   #14
anthonyrb98
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 48307
Join Date: Nov 2003
Chapter/Region: SCIC
Location: san diego
Vehicle:
02 bugeye
hbspeed tuned 18g sleeper

Default

an upgraded top mount shouldn't give you any problems w/ stage 2. it's a bit overkill to get a bigger intercooler with the stock td04, however. a version 7 will be a perfect upgrade for a stage 2, but you'll want a bigger bar and plate when you go 2.5. As always, a custom tune is best, but the off the shelf maps will work.
anthonyrb98 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-09-2005, 10:43 AM   #15
ofay
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 69621
Join Date: Sep 2004
Chapter/Region: TXIC
Location: CLC
Vehicle:
05 mines wrx RIP
still hatin ROTAS

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by anthonyrb98
an upgraded top mount shouldn't give you any problems w/ stage 2. it's a bit overkill to get a bigger intercooler with the stock td04, however. a version 7 will be a perfect upgrade for a stage 2, but you'll want a bigger bar and plate when you go 2.5. As always, a custom tune is best, but the off the shelf maps will work.
i dont plan on going any bigger than pnp td04, but thanks for the input on the I/C
ofay is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-09-2005, 01:02 PM   #16
mcowger
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 77483
Join Date: Dec 2004
Chapter/Region: NWIC
Location: Seattle, WA
Vehicle:
2009 Audi A3 2.0T q
Lava Grey

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ofay
im not gonna be on pinks or a map that requires pinks. Cobbs map says stock injectors and with an upgraded top mount to monitor egt.


Thank you for proving that you have no clue what you are talking about and your opinion invalid
Some how I thought you were going to be running pinks. Going back, i dont see that, so you you'll be fine. My apologies.

I do know what i'm talking about, but missed an element of the setup there.

Last edited by mcowger; 11-09-2005 at 01:33 PM.
mcowger is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-09-2005, 01:03 PM   #17
mcowger
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 77483
Join Date: Dec 2004
Chapter/Region: NWIC
Location: Seattle, WA
Vehicle:
2009 Audi A3 2.0T q
Lava Grey

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ofay
i dont plan on going any bigger than pnp td04, but thanks for the input on the I/C
BTW, you may want to look INTO injectors for a TMIC+PNP turbo setup, as its pretty easy to run the stock injectors static even on a untouched stock turbo...
mcowger is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-09-2005, 05:22 PM   #18
BIG GUN
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 49825
Join Date: Dec 2003
Chapter/Region: NESIC
Location: WESTFORD MA.
Vehicle:
2002 WRX WAGON
SILVER

Default

I have been running a Hyperflow tmic on my ride for 2 yrs. Started @ stg. 1, now stg.2 HWG. w/turbo back. Never a problem, and have done 0-60 @ 6.1 w/ a 4eat tranny. Gutted u/p helped to eliminate that lag problem, and that time was without brake torquing.
BIG GUN is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-09-2005, 11:12 PM   #19
ofay
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 69621
Join Date: Sep 2004
Chapter/Region: TXIC
Location: CLC
Vehicle:
05 mines wrx RIP
still hatin ROTAS

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by mcowger
BTW, you may want to look INTO injectors for a TMIC+PNP turbo setup, as its pretty easy to run the stock injectors static even on a untouched stock turbo...
ive talked to someone else running that exact set up, and i wont be running pnp turbo untill i am ready to tune
ofay is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Set of LIKE NEW GR2 with spring with top mount, already assembled qualityracer Suspension/Brakes/Handling 0 12-04-2008 04:45 PM
turboxs rfl with top mount adapter Ammata Engine/Power/Exhaust 7 08-28-2008 09:15 PM
18g with top mount? fsmwrx North West Impreza Club Forum -- NWIC 2 03-03-2008 05:51 PM
FS: FAT Turbo Kit Complete with Top Mount and J&S BretCutler Engine/Power/Exhaust 0 08-16-2006 09:56 PM
Who has the fastest WRX with top mount intercooler? N/A01RS Proven Power Bragging 11 10-04-2002 05:28 PM

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 06:08 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Powered by Searchlight © 2024 Axivo Inc.
Copyright ©1999 - 2019, North American Subaru Impreza Owners Club, Inc.

As an Amazon Associate I earn from qualifying purchases.

When you click on links to various merchants on this site and make a purchase, this can result in this site earning a commission
Affiliate programs and affiliations include, but are not limited to, the eBay Partner Network.