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11-07-2005, 08:58 PM | #1 |
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Would COBB StreetTuner be worth it?
Sorry to ask such a nOOb question, but after searching and reading countless pages, I'm still utterly confused... Here goes.
I've an '04 STi with the following power mods: COBB AccessPort COBB Full Turbo Back Exhaust COBB Stage II Map (the 93 oct. base map that comes with the AP) K&N Typhoon My friend's tell me that the StreetTuner software from COBB would allow me to custom tune a map that could be stored on the AP and installed to my STi. So I say, that's cool what will that gain me? They tell me that with my current upgrades/mods I could tune it to get ~400hp and possibly more than that in torque. I'm thinking this sounds too good to be true.. So I search and research, only to become more confused than when I started. I think I understand the what and how of the AP & StreetTuner combo and how that is supposed to work. Now, I do NOT want to invest in any more go fast "parts" at this time. No Big Gulp 850cc injectors, nor APS-FMIC (oh so sexay), nor Hugegantic Turbo's. I'm done with that for now, a custom tune on the other hand is still an acceptable upgrade. So, with my current setup will the Street Tuner software really give me the gains that my friends have so kindly boasted I could make? Or am I better off living with the StageII map that came with my AP? Any advice, suggestions or comments are welcome! Peace Jason Oh, and I forgot to ask my other question... Would it be better to just go somewhere with an AWD dyno and get them to custom tune it? Thanks again!
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11-07-2005, 09:26 PM | #2 |
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your US STI has 300 HP and 2.5 l no ?
even with that, 400 HP is a bit...hum say optimistic. with your setup AP is enough. but are you sure you do not want to upgrade your parts ? |
11-07-2005, 09:32 PM | #3 | |
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11-07-2005, 09:50 PM | #4 |
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If you plan on learning how to tune the car yourself and making lots of setup changes, StreetTuner is a good option for you. You can pay the upgrade fee ($400) and retune until your heart is content. For the same price, you can just get a dyno tune, though. HOwever, if you change your setup, you will have to pay this fee each time.
The K&N Typhoon intake could definitely use calibration, so StreetTuner will allow you to do that. I think the gains will be noticeably and the car will definitely feel smoother once you figure out what you are doing. I've thoroughly enjoyed learning and using StreetTuner, but your mileage might vary. Really, the quality of the tune will come down to who does the tuning, not really the tool used (StreetTuner or ProTuner). If you can find someone in your area to help tune, StreetTuner might be a better idea. FWIW- on a WRX with TBE and uppipe, I put down 230ft/lbs of torque and 219hp on a dyno where Cobb Stage 2 cars put down about 200-210 ft/lbs and 200-210 hp. The driveability of the car is a lot better. Please let me know if you have any questions. Thanks! Mike |
11-07-2005, 10:48 PM | #5 |
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Thanks for the info crazymike. I am looking for a solution that will allow me to continuously fine tune my car/setup regardless of change in upgrades. I still have some more research to do before making the actual purchase, but I'm feeling more secure in sticking with COBB's Street Tuner product. I've been very pleased with the results and quality of COBB's products thus far, hopefully StreetTuner will keep that trend ...
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11-07-2005, 11:00 PM | #6 |
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If you go from the AP Stage2 directly to the StreetTuner Stage2 map, you will probably notice a slight reduction in performance. The reason is the basemaps that Cobb supplies with ST are not tuned as aggressively as their AP maps, for the simple reason that they want to give the end user a little tuning headroom.
You won't get 'gains' unless you actually do intend to custom tune it (and then only if you do it well). But pricewise, you could spend $400 on a protune with your existing accessport and get a professional custom tuned map. Or you can spend $450 or whatever it is to have streettuner and then tune it yourself (and/or pay a shop to tune it). StreetTuner gives you some other useful things that a Protune doesn't... namely, extensive datalogging abilities. The key with StreetTuner though is endless tuning for the end user... you are NEVER locked into what your last tuning session put you at. |
11-07-2005, 11:02 PM | #7 |
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StreetTuner is an excellent product, and will definitly allow you to do what you want.
Expensive though, just for 'tinkering'. |
11-07-2005, 11:06 PM | #8 | |
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StreetTuner not only lets you tune it yourself (with no per-reflash fees), but also gives you datalogging that is comparable to that of the $330 DeltaDash package. |
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11-07-2005, 11:18 PM | #9 | |
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11-07-2005, 11:22 PM | #10 | |
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Don't need to convince me about ST . I bought my copy the week it came out . Originally, it sounded like he didn't really want to do anything but slightly tweak minor stuff, and for that is a bit pricy. However, I do agree that its an awesome tuning/datalogging tool. |
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11-08-2005, 12:34 AM | #11 |
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the possibility of self tuning is the point that decided to go with AP/ST...
one day we say "I don't want anymore parts, my TBE and IC hoses are enough" and a few months later we're purchasing bigger turbo and injectors etc. that's why AP and its "ease" of use seems a good choice (and no cutting !). I figure you plan on adding some power parts in the future so that you'll have to optimize them and the only way is to get the best evolutive EM. |
11-08-2005, 03:20 PM | #12 | |
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11-26-2005, 10:41 PM | #13 |
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had to bring this thread back...
i'm in the process of researching this product as well. it seems like it'd be the best bang for the buck in my case, because i am planning to mod more and more as time goes on (kind of addicted). however, i feel like i wouldn't have any idea how to use this thing. it looks so complicated don't get me wrong i am more than happy to learn how to do this (and do it properly); are there any newer tuners that feel overwhelmed by this? are there any "dummy" guides to tuning? hah |
11-26-2005, 11:28 PM | #14 |
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I was/am a new tuner...it is daunting. Read mick_the_ginge's guide to the UTEC...some of it is UTEC specific, most of it is not. That helped, that and asking more questions.
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11-26-2005, 11:39 PM | #15 |
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11-26-2005, 11:42 PM | #16 |
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Tuning for dummies?? not sure if that one's out yet
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11-27-2005, 12:29 AM | #17 |
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right now i've got an 05 wrx with invidia turboback, stg II 93. would the streettuner even be worth it for me with these mods? i'd like to think i could tune it to get a substantial increase in power. any thoughts?
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11-27-2005, 12:38 AM | #18 |
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don't get the ST if you don't have a deep desire to learn how to tune yourself. Just get a protune. I bought the ST because i thought i wanted to learn how to tune, but it got old fast and i ended up just getting a protune. I have the SW incase i ever need to change anything, but i feel it's kind of a waste because i don't use it very often. I like to work on my car ocassionaly, but it doesn't consume my life like others'.
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11-27-2005, 12:43 AM | #19 |
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i do have the desire to tune myself. and the fact that i want to upgrade things (turbo, intercooler, injectors, intercooler hoses, uppipe, ewg) will allow me to further tune my car. right now since money doesn't grow on trees, a protune now would be a complete waste of money knowing i would upgrade parts sooner or later....
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11-27-2005, 08:04 PM | #20 | |
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11-27-2005, 08:38 PM | #21 |
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I am a noob to this forum and to the ECU tuning so bare with me... I have had bikes and cars over the years and done some "tuning" if sitting at the side of the road adjusting the gap on a set of points and adjusting the advance on a distributer counts.
The problem I see with all of this is trying to use a butt dyno. Solid numbers, for torque and HP along with boost, O2 levels etc... are what's needed. If you are going to make small changes the ECU can adapt to some extent (or so I am told) but large changes will require a Dyno. |
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