|
|
|
|
Thread Tools | Display Modes |
11-08-2005, 12:01 PM | #1 |
Scooby Newbie
Member#: 96845
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: CT
Vehicle:04 WRX STi WRB |
ecutec or AP???
alright i have an '04 sti, with a 3" tbe (hks down pipe, hks hi power cbe, full catless) i'm not sure if i should go with an accessport, or an ecutec... if anyone has similar mods and has any dyno graphs or anything put em up...thanks again
* Registered users of the site do not see these ads.
|
11-08-2005, 01:17 PM | #2 |
Scooby Specialist
Member#: 84912
Join Date: Apr 2005
Chapter/Region:
SCIC
Location: San Diego
Vehicle:2003 2.5L bugeye now with 6 spd 20g! |
this is a link from I-speed USA comparing a 2.0L with Cobb AP against a custom ecutek tune.
http://www.i-speed.us/dyno_results/d...info.cgi?id=15 |
11-08-2005, 01:26 PM | #3 |
Scooby Newbie
Member#: 90590
Join Date: Jul 2005
Chapter/Region:
NWIC
Location: Seattle
Vehicle:2005 STi OBP |
That comparison does not give the complete picture imho. It is comparing a custom dyno tune to an off the shelf map. Regardless of what type of tuning technology you use, a custom tune will almost always out-power a shelf map. If I were the customer in that I-Speed comparison, I would not have paid for an Ecutek license just to get a custom tune. The smarter option would've been to pay for a Cobb Protune since he already had an AP, and thus retain the ability to switch maps if so desired. That, in my opinion, is the greatest asset of the Cobb AP. Switching between live maps and the ability to restore to a "stock" map can be quite valuable. If strickly deciding from a horsepower per dollar argument however, an Ecutek tune is the more economical option, but then again, so is nitrous on a big american V8
-Jay |
11-08-2005, 01:35 PM | #4 |
Scooby Specialist
Member#: 65684
Join Date: Jul 2004
Chapter/Region:
South East
Location: Deutschland
Vehicle:1993 JDM Soarer TT White on golds |
With the Access port you can get the ST and tune, or have someone tune. ECUTEK can be reflashed for $150 if you change parts. The Street tuner is like ECUTEK with a splash of UTEC mixed in there. It is your choice
-Buy a turbo from gruppe-s and they have AP maps for certain turbos they sell (ST?) -Upgrade to a green or eq and send you ECU in for a ECUTEK reflash If your short terms goals are not to mod, I say access port. If you don't want to ever fool with tuning send it in for ECUTEK reflash. really depends on if you can get to a tuner and what system he tunes. |
11-08-2005, 01:35 PM | #5 |
Scooby Specialist
Member#: 60142
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Bend, OR
Vehicle:2011 WRX Grey |
I'm certainly not disputing a gain from a custom tune, but why do these guys insist on doing it differently than everyone else? Look at the TQ/HP crossover points: not only are they different, but neither crosses at 5250. Not only that, but this is computed BHP, not WHP, right? IOW, it makes the gain look larger.
Also, why didn't they just make him a custom A/Pro map - he already paid for the A/P, so he had to pay for an ECUTek license and then sell the A/P. Kinda dumb, if you ask me. |
11-08-2005, 01:37 PM | #6 |
Scooby Specialist
Member#: 65684
Join Date: Jul 2004
Chapter/Region:
South East
Location: Deutschland
Vehicle:1993 JDM Soarer TT White on golds |
Yeah, match a custom Cobb map to ECUtek map! Or a ECUTEK reflash off the shelf map to a dyno tuned AP map!
|
11-08-2005, 01:42 PM | #7 | |
Scooby Specialist
Member#: 84912
Join Date: Apr 2005
Chapter/Region:
SCIC
Location: San Diego
Vehicle:2003 2.5L bugeye now with 6 spd 20g! |
Quote:
It doesnt make the gains look bigger. The AP base line in that map is crank HP as well just like the custom ecutek tune. Cobb is cool if you get a pro tuned map. But comparing a custom ecutek tune with a cobb shelf map; I vote for ecutek. I think a cobb pro tuned map is equal to a ecutek flash. the cobb map doesnt cross at 5250 either. anyways, I didnt post the link to make a I-speed conversation. just wanted to show the they guy that started the thread that a custom tune makes more power. Last edited by the_colombian; 11-08-2005 at 01:50 PM. |
|
11-08-2005, 04:43 PM | #8 |
Scooby Specialist
Member#: 12295
Join Date: Nov 2001
Chapter/Region:
SCIC
Location: Marin, CA
|
If you can get a local custom tune for your AP, it is the only way to go. ECUTek is a great product, but you can't get multiple maps which to me is a huge deal. Maybe it isn't to others. ECUTek came on the boards and promised this feature back in May and to date, they not only haven't come out with an update, they now are no longer even answering inquiries. To me that is bad customer service. Their competition just swept right past them and they did nothing about it.
|
11-08-2005, 06:44 PM | #9 |
Scooby Specialist
Member#: 84912
Join Date: Apr 2005
Chapter/Region:
SCIC
Location: San Diego
Vehicle:2003 2.5L bugeye now with 6 spd 20g! |
well, ecutek does offer the delta dash software that allows you to advance timing and boost on your own laptop. No need to go to the tuner anymore. You can adjust your own map and also be able to log and correct detonation. You can adjust your current map to your liking with whatever fuel you are using.
The delta dash cost about 450-500 bucks. More money but a cool feature. Im debating in getting this or get a pro-tuned 100 oct map. Since I already have ecutek, I would only need to pay about 500 more for the deltadash and im done, the protune is whatever a AP cost plus 499 for a protune. (harmon motive price) which only includes 1 1/2 hours of tuning. |
11-08-2005, 07:08 PM | #10 | ||||
Scooby Specialist
Member#: 60142
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Bend, OR
Vehicle:2011 WRX Grey |
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
|
||||
11-09-2005, 06:37 PM | #11 |
Scooby Newbie
Member#: 96845
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: CT
Vehicle:04 WRX STi WRB |
bump,,,
|
11-09-2005, 07:05 PM | #12 | |
Scooby Specialist
Member#: 77483
Join Date: Dec 2004
Chapter/Region:
NWIC
Location: Seattle, WA
Vehicle:2009 Audi A3 2.0T q Lava Grey |
Quote:
Thats excessive. My tuner charges list for the AP (600 I think) + 195/hr for tuning. |
|
11-09-2005, 08:26 PM | #13 |
Scooby Specialist
Member#: 84912
Join Date: Apr 2005
Chapter/Region:
SCIC
Location: San Diego
Vehicle:2003 2.5L bugeye now with 6 spd 20g! |
not my prices man. Thats just what is listed on the harmon website and they are the closest protuners to san diego as far as I know.
They do charge 200 for additional hours though. |
11-09-2005, 08:30 PM | #14 | |||
Vendor
Member#: 12347
Join Date: Nov 2001
Chapter/Region:
SCIC
Location: Oceanside, CA
Vehicle:ECU ReProgramming Dynapack AWD Dyno |
Quote:
Remember, a dyno is a tool not a judge of absolutes. Quote:
One hour with a proficient AP/Ecutek tuner does not = one hour of an inefficient AP/Ecutek tuner. No the systems are not equal, yet Remember, a tune will vary with the skill level of the person tuning the vehicle. Quote:
I will assume that you mean on a comparative basis between different dynos and different charts. Please correct me if this is not the appropriate assumption. In any case, please feel free to share with me, via PM, how we can make our information simpler and more user friendly to consumers Thanks Chris I-Speed USA |
|||
11-09-2005, 10:25 PM | #15 | |||
Scooby Specialist
Member#: 60142
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Bend, OR
Vehicle:2011 WRX Grey |
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Last edited by flycaster; 11-10-2005 at 01:00 PM. |
|||
11-11-2005, 09:50 PM | #16 | |
Vendor
Member#: 12347
Join Date: Nov 2001
Chapter/Region:
SCIC
Location: Oceanside, CA
Vehicle:ECU ReProgramming Dynapack AWD Dyno |
Quote:
Please do not think that there was a "method to my madness" in my previous post. I was merely asking for clarification, which you gave. Thank you. On another note: Thanks for taking the time to reply and offer some helpful suggestions. Your comments are not in vain. We are currently re-scaling all our graphs to make them simpler to digest. Please keep in mind that we will still use our current data acquisition methods, as we want to keep as much consistency as possible Thanks again Chris Ps. What does OTOH mean? |
|
11-11-2005, 09:59 PM | #17 |
Scooby Specialist
Member#: 77658
Join Date: Dec 2004
Chapter/Region:
MWSOC
Location: Pemberville, Ohio
Vehicle:2004 ej207, ppg dogs 3" green, ITS ALL 4 SALE! |
^^^^ OTOH
"On The Other Hand" |
Thread Tools | |
Display Modes | |
|
|
Similar Threads | ||||
Thread | Thread Starter | Forum | Replies | Last Post |
WANTED: COBB AP 1 or AP 2 used!! | Desi_WRX | Private 'Wanted' Classifieds | 3 | 12-24-2011 09:10 PM |
AP won't connect to ST or AP | drfrink24 | Engine Management & Tuning | 7 | 04-03-2006 10:53 AM |
Do the Prodrive or AP 330mm brake kits fit (US 02') 01 wrxs? | iceweazel | Brakes, Steering & Suspension | 2 | 05-23-2001 03:01 AM |
Source for Alcon or AP brakes? | Jon Bogert | Brakes, Steering & Suspension | 8 | 03-21-2001 09:06 AM |