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Old 11-08-2005, 02:58 PM   #1
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Default Turbo my 2.2?

I searched around for info on turboing a 2.2, but I'll I've really found is that there are 2.2s that are stock turbo ... I know my 97 L 2.2 isn't turboed .. so my question is I guess, is the 2.2 in my car the same as the 2.2T just without the turbo? In which case I could technically turbo my car without too many hesitations ... or are there differences in them which would lead to making an engine swap easier to do.

I have a friend who wants to help me do a twin turbo setup, and has done several turbos in several other vehicles ... but I really don't know what's what and was curious as to what would be the best option. Thanks
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Old 11-08-2005, 03:15 PM   #2
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the engine in your car is not the same as the ej22t. not at all. while the ej22e is quite strong and resiliant.....its not meant to be turboed. youd be looking at a max of 8lbs of boost and would need some serious engine management.
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Old 11-08-2005, 04:02 PM   #3
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DO IT!!! Or just spend the money for the turbo on a differant car, depending on how you go about it costs can be from 1k-6k depending on what you want, and how the work will get done.

BTW, tell your friend you DO NOT want twin turbo, 1 will be fine, trust me.
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Old 11-08-2005, 04:10 PM   #4
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you can run up to 5 psi with no engine management on the EJ22's, or so im told, no your motor is not the same, the EJ22T is closed deck and made for boost, the EJ22 has a CR of 9.5:1 so keep that in mind. and be sure to use a boost controller of some sort and use premium gas to keep detonation at bay.


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Old 11-08-2005, 04:13 PM   #5
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ugh i hate telling people to do this but whatever. Here is what you should do.

buy a cometic head gasket for the ej22. its uber thick and will lower your stupidly high compression ratio. hopefully itl be around 8:1 and no less. then buy yourself an SAFC to control fuel inputs. your new turbo engine is gona be a lot more thirsty. with all of that you should get tuned by a pro to make sure you arent running lean anywhere.


then youll have your not effiecient turbo 2.2
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Old 11-08-2005, 05:00 PM   #6
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Totally agree with Sko...

NO TWIN TURBO...its alot more work and headaches to make it run smooth, and the power difference is not great. As a matter of fact, you can make the same power levels, and greater ones with a single turbo and not worry about any of the headaches of a twin.

That being said, I drive a 2.2L turbo right now that replaced my 2.5L turbo project, and I have some experience with this kind of thing.

A few starting points:
1. turboing a stock motor is walking a fine line. It can be done, and has been done, but for the most part I don't recomend it.
2. If its your daily driver...dont do it. Turboing a car is never a weekend project, regardless of what people may tell you. It takes time to install and tune the kit to run as a daily driver and unfortunately that takes the car off the road for a while.
3. The money you save not buying a turbo motor will come back and haunt you with fixes, rebuilds and possibly having a new engine put in (trust me on this one, it happened to me)

That being said, this is what I recommend. Having a turbo suby is 10000000x better than an n/a suby, at least in my experience, and I recommend you do it, but be smart about it. There are 3 viable options for you.

1. Turbo your stock motor. This involves getting the turbo system, fuel system and engine management. This can go anywhere from $1500-$3000 depending on doing a kit or making one your self. The good thing about suby's is that parts are mostly interchangable so you can get most of the parts needed from a wrx owner who has upgraded his stuff. The fuel components (fuel pump and FMU or injectors) will have to be bought new, the last thing you want is the fuel system breaking down. You could always buy a kit (from Forced air tech, or anoter vendor) but this is more expensive. This way is doable, but it usually takes time to piece the kit, unless you get a complete one, but then your weak point is your motor itslef, and its been proven over and over that this is a big headache and a wallet drainer. I dont recomend this way.

2. Another way is to just buy a wrx motor, harness, and ecu. This can be obtained for about 4k-7k depending if you wanna install it or have a shop do it. This is more work upfront swapping the motor, but the reliability is much better, and then the aftermaket selection will be greatly increased. Another benefit is that you car can be made smog legal. The downer is you will lose some torque (2.2 to 2.0). If you want a headache free turbo car...do this.

3. The last way is what I did. Swap in a built short block, custom turbo and engine management. This is about the same price as the WRX swap, but it allows for a displacement of your choice, and you dont have to rip out wiring...not alot of it anyways. For example, my setup is a built 2.2L block using my stock heads (i do recomend refreshing the valves), custom T3/04 turbo kit, walbro fuel pump, FMU and link ecu, ACT clutch and etc, etc. This is more of a headache then the WRX swap, but its open for whatever your imagination can conjure....based on your wallet of course. This can range anywhere from $4k to....well you can keep spending lots of money. My total swap cost about 8k, including labor, and a bunch of other accesories...you can pull off the same setup on your car for about 3k less if you buy everything at once and put it together yourself.


In short...spending more money upfront will save twice as much money long term..

Now go out and turbo you shiznit.

If you need any help lemme know.

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Old 11-08-2005, 05:02 PM   #7
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ugh i hate telling people to do this but whatever. Here is what you should do.

buy a cometic head gasket for the ej22. its uber thick and will lower your stupidly high compression ratio. hopefully itl be around 8:1 and no less. then buy yourself an SAFC to control fuel inputs. your new turbo engine is gona be a lot more thirsty. with all of that you should get tuned by a pro to make sure you arent running lean anywhere.


then youll have your not effiecient turbo 2.2

DONT DO THIS....this is the dumbest thing you can do.

This type of install causes your motor to go boom...dont cheap out on turboing a car. If you cant afford it DONT DO IT!!!
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Old 11-08-2005, 05:50 PM   #8
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it's hard to defind cheap for Turbo.. $1,000 for it may be Cheap for one, but someone else will say thats too much...

And you have the others saying you need to spend $4,000.
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Old 01-14-2006, 04:21 PM   #9
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To revive an old thread...the N/A ej22 takes to turbo very well

<--N/A EJ22 running 13psi
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To revive an old thread...the N/A ej22 takes to turbo very well

<--N/A EJ22 running 13psi
Yes well Link+ does play a huge role in it and I'm sure you spent quite a lot into it. Of course I also have Link+ on my EJ18 running 12 lbs of boost. I've been having some issue with some parts etc but it is running as reliable as I would expect.
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i have some 2.2T injectors if you do decide to turbo your 2.2
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