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Old 11-14-2005, 05:37 PM   #1
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Hey, if you were at the Streets of Willow Springs this past weekend, please post on this thread. Had a blast at the track, really enjoyed my new Prodrive springs. Thanks to Garage Tuning for installing it.
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Old 11-14-2005, 08:15 PM   #2
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This Vette driver didn't have such a good time ... I guess he only made it 1.5 times around the course before flipping. Pretty hard to flip those low slung Vette's!

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Old 11-14-2005, 08:32 PM   #3
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Pretty hard to flip at Streets too
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Old 11-14-2005, 08:32 PM   #4
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Oh, and a more descriptive thread title would be appreciated.
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Old 11-17-2005, 01:31 AM   #5
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Will work on a better title next time.

Glad that vette driver made it out ok.

I guess I was at lunch when all of that happened. Crazy. According to the corvette forum, the guy took the lap after the warm up lap too quickly and flipped his car. I'll take it easier on the 1st several laps next time at streets of willow springs.
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Old 11-17-2005, 01:35 AM   #6
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Why not just come out and Auto Cross with us and NOT worry about wrecking your car !?

http://www.teamblewracing.org/welcome.aspx

... and check out our forums.

Also: http://www.solo2.com/

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Old 11-17-2005, 12:51 PM   #7
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Why not just come out and Auto Cross with us and NOT worry about wrecking your car !?

http://www.teamblewracing.org/welcome.aspx

... and check out our forums.

Also: http://www.solo2.com/
Because Auto-X is boring
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Old 11-17-2005, 01:04 PM   #8
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Because Auto-X is boring
Only if you suck
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Old 11-17-2005, 01:32 PM   #9
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Road Course ... talk about boring! WHAT Do you Do with all that time between corners! Yawn ... :-)
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Old 11-17-2005, 01:43 PM   #10
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Road Course ... talk about boring! WHAT Do you Do with all that time between corners! Yawn ... :-)
I would rather be in a car driving on the course than sitting around in the parking lot :-P
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Old 11-17-2005, 01:49 PM   #11
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I like to drive my car @ 100%+... you can't do that on a road course (see corvette incident above).

If you like to drive at 70% all the time, then road courses are fun.
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I would rather be doing anything with my car than playing a game.....
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Old 11-17-2005, 02:08 PM   #13
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Eh... what game?
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Old 11-17-2005, 08:28 PM   #14
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Something attached to a computer or a screen/monitor. I enjoy autocrossing, I've spent time on a road course which is really cool too. Any active use of your car is better than the million or so people that rush home from work to play computer games.
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Old 11-17-2005, 08:50 PM   #15
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good one Peter.

I think both are fun, but in different ways. To each their own...
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i hate to say this, but peter speaks the truth.... Shhhh just dont flame me when i get my chits and giggles at auto-x.... BUT get my rush and driving creds at the roadcourse ;-) +1000000 brother!

seriously now this is stupid why flame the roadracers? as a motorsport enthusiast it should all be the same and give the driver feedback one way or another, it should just be fun...! sure one may have a preference but mocking another is ridiculous! how but we take on a course with tight corners such as solo2 that goes into a larger course! hahaha im GAME :-)
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good one Peter.

I think both are fun, but in different ways. To each their own...
agreed brother! get on aim bish! ha
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bleh... roadcourse driving is fun, sure but I dont feel comfortable pushing hard, hard enough to spin or lose it... whereas autox I can and be fine. That is why autox is better in a way, granted roadcourse is very fun, but it seems that HPDE's can only be soo fun. They are both good in their own ways, but autox is way more competitive of a sport if you get into it whereas trackdays are for fun (if you go for competition, you are going for the wrong reason) and etc thats a core difference. Thats my 2 cents.
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bleh... roadcourse driving is fun, sure but I dont feel comfortable pushing hard, hard enough to spin or lose it... whereas autox I can and be fine. That is why autox is better in a way, granted roadcourse is very fun, but it seems that HPDE's can only be soo fun. They are both good in their own ways, but autox is way more competitive of a sport if you get into it whereas trackdays are for fun (if you go for competition, you are going for the wrong reason) and etc thats a core difference. Thats my 2 cents.

Yep, exactly. I do both... I get amped doing both and both are fun.

AutoX is definately more competitive then an open/practice track day. I put AutoX out there with adult rec sports such as softball, soccer, club cycling or what have you, there's always those out there to win or to beat that person, team, etc. Sure you may tell yourself you're out there for personal improvement, etc., but eventually you hang around long enough and go to enough events you start to be a part of the competition, it's nature, and it's part of that environment. I also play hockey and golf now and again, so AX is not my only outlet for competition.

On the other hand track days give me a chance to open up my car a bit, to stretch my legs so to speak, granted I'm probably no where near 10/10ths out there - I still enjoy it. If I have to put a finger on it, it's a personal challenge to drive at your limit (whether it be 6/10ths or 10/10ths) for that given session, 5 laps, 6 laps, or what have you. There's no results sheet to concern yourself about. You do have to remind yourself not to be the one whose car is on that flat bed tow truck at days end, or worse. It's a fact.
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I drove the red RX7, the one that's loud as a mofo and spitting fire out of exhaust. Anyone took pictures?
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seriously now this is stupid why flame the roadracers? as a motorsport enthusiast it should all be the same and give the driver feedback one way or another, it should just be fun...! sure one may have a preference but mocking another is ridiculous! how but we take on a course with tight corners such as solo2 that goes into a larger course! hahaha im GAME :-)
Well, as USUAL, a so called road racer started it, or did you only read what you want to see?
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Tell me just HOW do you get creds for having a Sunday drive on a road racing course? Are you competing? Nope, its an HPDE, not a real race or a time trial. And if you ARE racing during a HPDE, then you should NOT be out there at all!!!!!!!! YOU would be dangerous to the others around you who are not racing (or even think they are). And what, you can boast that you passed XXXX car on the track - when it might only have been you thinking you are Mario Andretti, yet the other guy was just driving at his own pace (and now maybe you just freaked him!). That gives you cred? That is no better than trying to drag someone on the street who didn't even know he was being raced.

You want REAL CRED? Then you need to either beat an SCCA National Solo II or PRO Solo driver at a REAL timed event, or enter into a time trial that IS a real race, with time slips, rules, and classes, where all involved know they are racing for points or trophies. Those are organized events with officials and timing equipment. THEN you have something to brag about. But an HPDE? Not on your life.

And don't go to try and get on me bubba. I was doing AutoX and REAL time trials before you were born. And at REAL tracks - Road America, Blackhawk Farms, Grattan, Milwaukee Speedway, Streets of Willow, and even the old Riverside before it was torn down (what a SHAME - such a historic track, gone for a SHOPPING MALL!!!!!!!!!). I have also instructed on road courses for BMWCCA and Audi Quattro Clubs. So I have done both AutoX and time trials - and I can tell you an HPDE is not the same. It is fun, yes. But it is NOT a real race. So don't go patting yourselves on the back if that is all you have done.

But I WILL admit, there ain't nuthin better than a time trial with no pylons on the track. I won't disagree with that. But a time trial has purpose - true competition to win! I never get that feeling at an HPDE. And lucky for you, if you really do want to prove something, SCCA is starting to bring back time trials. Win that, and you have more than just street cred - you could ge NATIONAL cred!

Oh, and I guess that because I used to beat PD Cunningham (Realtime Racing in the Speed series) back in his AutoX days, then that would mean I have beaten a guy that the Speed announcers call the most winningest driver in recent SCCA history COOL, but it won't get me a cup of coffee

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Well, as USUAL, a so called road racer started it, or did you only read what you want to see? And this Tell me just HOW do you get creds for having a Sunday drive on a road racing course? Are you competing? Nope, its an HPDE, not a real race or a time trial. And if you ARE racing during a HPDE, then you should NOT be out there at all!!!!!!!! YOU would be dangerous to the others around you who are not racing (or even think they are). And what, you can boast that you passed XXXX car on the track - when it might only have been you thinking you are Mario Andretti, yet the other guy was just driving at his own pace (and now maybe you just freaked him!). That gives you cred? That is no better than trying to drag someone on the street who didn't even know he was being raced.

You want REAL CRED? Then you need to either beat an SCCA National Solo II or PRO Solo driver at a REAL timed event, or enter into a time trial that IS a real race, with time slips, rules, and classes, where all involved know they are racing for points or trophies. Those are organized events with officials and timing equipment. THEN you have something to brag about. But an HPDE? Not on your life.

And don't go to try and get on me bubba. I was doing AutoX and REAL time trials before you were born. And at REAL tracks - Road America, Blackhawk Farms, Grattan, Milwaukee Speedway, Streets of Willow, and even the old Riverside before it was torn down (what a SHAME - such a historic track, gone for a SHOPPING MALL!!!!!!!!!). I have also instructed on road courses for BMWCCA and Audi Quattro Clubs. So I have done both AutoX and time trials - and I can tell you an HPDE is not the same. It is fun, yes. But it is NOT a real race. So don't go patting yourselves on the back if that is all you have done.

But I WILL admit, there ain't nuthin better than a time trial with no pylons on the track. I won't disagree with that. But a time trial has purpose - true competition to win! I never get that feeling at an HPDE. And lucky for you, if you really do want to prove something, SCCA is starting to bring back time trials. Win that, and you have more than just street cred - you could ge NATIONAL cred!

Oh, and I guess that because I used to beat PD Cunningham (Realtime Racing in the Speed series) back in his AutoX days, then that would mean I have beaten a guy that the Speed announcers call the most winningest driver in recent SCCA history COOL, but it won't get me a cup of coffee
i must have really pissed you off buddy :-) actually i agree with your statements, i started autoxing like many who are on here, and i still enjoy it, in fact i'm getting just as competitive the more i go. and yes by creds i would definetly aim for the top learning more and more as i get further in driving just as i would in school.

i agree HPDE isnt a competitive stance in the first place, in fact shouldnt even be, nor did i even say so :-)

but i wouldnt mind learning new tricks from this old dog sometime, so what do you say? i'm just out here to better myself as a driver and i enjoy BOTH!

i have learned from this and always keep this in mind "Accomplished autox'ers make good road racers, road racers don't make good autox'ers"
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Not really p'd me off, just once again heard the same old same old = road racers are the elite blah blah blah. WE both are motorsports. Some don't want to progress further into road racing (I knew of one excellent AutoX driver who even admitted he did not want to race at track speeds!), and others (like me) WISH they had the big bucks to go do it, as well as the time to. So the closest I get to it was time trials.

One thing road racers might not always remember too, is that though a lot of us AutoX'ers might not want to go as far as racing on the track wheel to wheel, we DO become a part of the SCCA Worker force that helps for them to be able to race, and be safe while doing it. I had a few Lisc for specialties years ago, so did my share. Imagine, volunteering for them to have the only fun???
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I have never stopped learning. As a matter of fact, every time I go to a new track, and even a track I have been on before, the first run session I ALWAYS take an instructor along in the car with me. Never hurts to brush up, or learn a new line from a different perspective.

The bottom line is, neither side should diss each other, but I have seen it come from one side more than the other through these years. It just irks me to no end, as I have been involved with three of the four aspects of racing = AutoX, time trial, and worker - just would love to be able to road race if I could. So I like them all.
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Not really p'd me off, just once again heard the same old same old = road racers are the elite blah blah blah. WE both are motorsports. Some don't want to progress further into road racing (I knew of one excellent AutoX driver who even admitted he did not want to race at track speeds!), and others (like me) WISH they had the big bucks to go do it, as well as the time to. So the closest I get to it was time trials.

One thing road racers might not always remember too, is that though a lot of us AutoX'ers might not want to go as far as racing on the track wheel to wheel, we DO become a part of the SCCA Worker force that helps for them to be able to race, and be safe while doing it. I had a few Lisc for specialties years ago, so did my share. Imagine, volunteering for them to have the only fun??? I have never stopped learning. As a matter of fact, every time I go to a new track, and even a track I have been on before, the first run session I ALWAYS take an instructor along in the car with me. Never hurts to brush up, or learn a new line from a different perspective.

The bottom line is, neither side should diss each other, but I have seen it come from one side more than the other through these years. It just irks me to no end, as I have been involved with three of the four aspects of racing = AutoX, time trial, and worker - just would love to be able to road race if I could. So I like them all.
agreed! very good points, as far as my history in this its solo2 as a driver and worker, what was stage rally in the US of A as a worker, and trying to get my way into time trials.

are you going to the ESX Subaru Shootout? I'll be there to brush up on my AX, been a while ever since the ROTW AX Demo. Motorsports as a whole is very enjoyable, as long as its in the car as a driver, worker i'm happy, now if i can only afford to do open wheel myself, may take up karting soon though :-)
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