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Old 11-15-2005, 01:06 AM   #1
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Default Was Colins Skoda illegal?

What do you think about this?
What if Skoda knew, as it entered the final stages of the WRC Australia that they wouldn't pass the post race inspection
(running 2nd. or 3rd.).
After proving the Skoda is capable of running as high as 2nd and enjoying the most exposure of any season in there WRC participation, they avoided the final scrutiners with a calculated DNF.

Do you think they would cheat, thinking they would never be in a high enough position to have to go through post race scrutany?

After all, racing is just marketing
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Old 11-15-2005, 01:11 AM   #2
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Why would you think that? They were having transmission problems on like the second day. Winning is better marketing than mechanical failures.
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Old 11-15-2005, 01:43 AM   #3
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"Winning is better marketing than mechanical failures"

Yea but you can't win in a slow or poor handling car, winning takes boat loads of $$$$ that Skoda couldn't spend.
In other words - Cheating can be a replacment for spending.


What does having transmission problems have to do with it? They were replacing the clutch.
" Earlier in the event a similar change on Armin's car took just 22 minutes, well within the time allowed "

I'm just saying it makes sense and is possible.
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Old 11-15-2005, 03:12 AM   #4
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Colin is a rally master, and he knows how to drive a car on its edge. he did the same with the Legacy rally car back in 92 when Subaru was that small car company that couldnt spend the money that others were spending. Hes got the knack to finding the edge of a car and push it further than anyone out there.
aye' that old scott knows how to drive.

It was a darn shame what happened. Nicky was crushed, I felt sorry for the both of them. I hope someone picks them up for next year if they are willing to continue.
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Old 11-15-2005, 04:40 AM   #5
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Colin is far superior to any driver they've ever had on Skoda bar none. They pushed the development of the Fabia further in their testing/two events than anyone had up to that point.

I believe that they just had bad luck and couldn't finish the repairs in time.

I really hope that Skoda stays in WRC and picks up Colin/Nicky. They'd give the team a great moral boost and some exciting action next season.
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Old 11-15-2005, 08:15 AM   #6
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Naw, I'm not buying it, Eric. OK, let's assume they were cheating (which I don't think they were). Which looks worse, finishing 2nd overall (their best finish ever) and being disqualified for some illegal part (oops! how did that get in there?) Or a certain podium finish after a stellar drive by a rusty former World Champion thrown away by a bodged sevice?
I think it's more a matter of the management and service support part of the team not quite being up to the same level as say, Prodrive or Citroen.
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Old 11-15-2005, 10:31 AM   #7
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I'm a big fan of McRae, but I think it's important to point out how many cars higher on the leaderboard retired. Had those cars finished, Colin would likely have been in 7th or 8th place. From his last drive, I think it was obvious that he could attain a similar position with that car. I don't see how you could argue he was cheating simply by looking at the results. I think saying that Colin is cheating is paramount to saying that Stohl was also cheating. How else could a privateer get onto the podium?

If you ask me, I believe that the mechanics were a tad nervous about being in 2nd place and just screwed the pooch.
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Old 11-15-2005, 10:51 AM   #8
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Considering they seal all main mechanical parts BEFORE the rally and the 2cars-2 engine-2 rally rule? No.

Colin's road position was key, as it always is in Australia. Remember, he was 3rd on day 1.

I truely believe that the Skoda crew simply wasnt ready to change a tranny in 20min, they are used to using the Superally as a test session most of the time.
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Old 11-15-2005, 11:30 AM   #9
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intentional DNF is a weirdly intriguing theory, but highly unlikely

survival of Skoda rally programme depends on results, results results.

Colin/Nicky showing promise and being emotional heroes is nice, but does not count for points.

no, cheating was not the issue. the service lads simply blew the clutch change.

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Old 11-15-2005, 11:39 AM   #10
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i think that they still may have had to be inspected anyway for legality even thought they were forced to w/draw.

but i am not totally sure.
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Old 11-15-2005, 11:59 AM   #11
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theres no way.
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Old 11-15-2005, 12:46 PM   #12
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Interesting theory for sure, but as others mentioned, and that good old "occum's razor adage" - the simplest explanation is usually the correct one.

Put Solberg, Atkinson, Gronholm, and Loeb back on top and voila, Skoda = 6th without anybody trying.

But I will give you points for thinking about it- my g/f said last night (watched it on tivo) very bluntly, "wow - I thought they could basically replace the entire car during a service if necessary..." And I thought to myself, "yeah, well, they can... usually... how could a simply thing like a clutch replacement cost them the podium... shouldn't somebody have stopped them and said, 'HEY WAIT - I DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO IT IN TIME..."

oh well.

and for the record, kangaroos suck.
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Old 11-15-2005, 12:53 PM   #13
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and for the record, kangaroos suck.
did one get hit this year?
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Old 11-15-2005, 03:12 PM   #14
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yeah...stinking roos

that was possibly the most idiotic baws up Skoda have ever done...

I hope Colin comes back in 2006...then I can get ma flag oot!

on yersel'!
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Old 11-15-2005, 03:14 PM   #15
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Considering how devastated the service crew looked afterwards, I would bet against the conspiracy theory

It was awesome how the other teams gathered around to root them on, reminds me of when I was at Rally Mexico for the first time (before it was WRC) with Pat Richard and the Subaru Rally Team Canada. Pat went out with a broken transmission, so the team decided to do a practice tranny change after the event was over. There was a big crowd gathered around them and everyone was rooting them on, it was awesome! One of my best memories in rally
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Old 11-15-2005, 03:45 PM   #16
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Considering how devastated the service crew looked afterwards, I would bet against the conspiracy theory

It was awesome how the other teams gathered around to root them on, reminds me of when I was at Rally Mexico for the first time (before it was WRC) with Pat Richard and the Subaru Rally Team Canada. Pat went out with a broken transmission, so the team decided to do a practice tranny change after the event was over. There was a big crowd gathered around them and everyone was rooting them on, it was awesome! One of my best memories in rally
I watched that too, 15minutes, 37 seconds-- drive in to drive out. Awesome work from CANJAM. They DID get some practice that year.....

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If they(SKODA) had anything going on, it would be 1-2 people MAX in the know. The entire service crew looked totally perplexed. Very weird situation.


If they wanted to DNF there are better ways, (that do not make your team look like a bunch of morons) as an example one could ensure an engine or gearbox failure on the next transit no problem.


It's very possible they had a dirty car, no better way to ensure sales of surplus WRC cars than to log some good stage times in actual comp.

They ended up looking like idiots though.

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Old 11-15-2005, 04:01 PM   #17
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I hear from the cech rumor mill ..... That they purposely didnt want a good result because Armin and current Team boss want to buy Skoda with Redbull for next year
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Old 11-15-2005, 04:05 PM   #18
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did one get hit this year?
Not one but at least 2. Or were u beeing sarcastic?
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Old 11-15-2005, 04:13 PM   #19
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intentional DNF is a weirdly intriguing theory, but highly unlikely

survival of Skoda rally programme depends on results, results results.

Colin/Nicky showing promise and being emotional heroes is nice, but does not count for points.

no, cheating was not the issue. the service lads simply blew the clutch change.

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And roos do suck.
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Old 11-15-2005, 04:21 PM   #20
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Good thread Eric!!!

When are you gonna grace the stages of the PNW again??

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Old 11-15-2005, 08:51 PM   #21
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In my mind Colin was carrying that car. I seriously doubt that there was any cheating going on. I feel bad for the mechanics, they lost a fine finish for Colin & Skoda. The person that made the call to put the clutch in is a real dope. Just my .02 here & worth every penny paid.
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Old 11-15-2005, 09:13 PM   #22
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is skoda the only one left that still uses a floor mounted shifter
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Old 11-15-2005, 09:27 PM   #23
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I think the reason they were using a floor mounted shifter is because the high zoot one broke.
Hi Pete Rally ??? What is that? I think I forgot how
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Old 11-15-2005, 09:41 PM   #24
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I thought they all have a floor mounted as a back up??
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Old 11-15-2005, 11:06 PM   #25
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I thought they all have a floor mounted as a back up??
Yeah, for the longest time the Focus used the handbrake as the back-up lever... so if you have to switch to it you lost the use of the handbrake.

Marko Martin had to use it last year in Germany (IIRC), and he wasn't too happy to be without the handbrake, given all the switchbacks

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