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Old 11-22-2005, 11:35 PM   #1
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At the Track Subarus as Road Course/Race Cars, why isn't SOA all oveer this venue?

I tell you over the past 3 or 4 years I've been doing track events here in the northeast at Limerock, Watkins Glen, Summit Point, Pocono and VIR. I cannot say enough good things about all my Subarus I've had out there.

I started out with my 1992 SVX with almost no mods to it other than SS lines, and Metalmaster Pads. I did at least 5 or 6 track days with it and it was outstanding even with 90k miles on it. Never had it inoperable at the track no matter how hot it was or how hard I pushed it.

Next I moved on to my 1996 Impreza L AWD with AT. This car was bought for $500 and did countless track events. It served as a great training car for folks who didn't want to use their own cars or who were there with their BF or GF and had to use a different car. This car once spent an entire day on the track at Watkins Glen due to a 3 driver rotation 4hrs in the AM and about 3.5hrs in the afternoon. Never even hinted at a problem.

The last and current track car I have is my 1994 Legacy Turbo 5MT. This car also has been excellent ontrack and no matter how much it is pushed never misses a beat. Just keeps running over and over. Did a double duty at Watkins this past fall in Novice group and Instructor Group. Interestingly since it was raining the entire weekend, I got a ton of compliments from the Vette guys and a few porsche guys who were they kept asking "what is in there, you were running all over me, especially the turns".


Why is it that there aren't more Subarus out on the roadcourses? Why doesn't SOA put more support toward racing them? I mean nearly unmodified cars are out there pounding away at redline for hours and hours without problems, these cars are definitely meant to be on the road course.

Hopefully my story will inspire more Subarus to come out and get involved in road racing. We really need a grassroots effort in road racing to get Subarus more noticed out there. I know there are a lot of HPDE guys out there, now those of us in the HPDE scene need to take it to the next level and start doing W2W racing with our subies.

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Old 11-22-2005, 11:36 PM   #2
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They have decided to piss away all their money into drag racing... total waste IMHO.
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Old 11-22-2005, 11:48 PM   #3
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They have decided to piss away all their money into drag racing... total waste IMHO.

Yeah cause you need all that driveline loss for drag-queen racing.

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Old 11-22-2005, 11:51 PM   #4
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They have decided to piss away all their money into drag racing... total waste IMHO.
unfortunately thats where the potential buyers are at. those importdrag weekends have huge parties.

i wish it werent so.
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Old 11-22-2005, 11:56 PM   #5
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Thats why we need to take over the road racing image, soon.

Who knows, with the drag racing craze, Subaru might just go RWD/FWD
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Old 11-23-2005, 12:04 AM   #6
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I wish I had been around for the days when manufacturers really raced on Sunday to sell on Monday and the drivers and their cars were hero's, instead of soap opera stars. Sebring is still a huge party though. Hopefully with the resurrection of American sports cars we'll see road racing become more popular. Then it will draw the audiences and then we might see Subaru really put an effort forward. But only long after everyone else has saturated the market. Hopefully Im wrong about the last part.
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Old 11-23-2005, 12:05 AM   #7
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I'll get out there someday, I promise. :- D
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Old 11-23-2005, 12:08 AM   #8
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well what about SOA's support/sponsorship of amateur SCCA teams (in T2) such as ICY racing, that team got a 1-2 win @ runoffs this year.
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Old 11-23-2005, 12:22 AM   #9
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well what about SOA's support/sponsorship of amateur SCCA teams (in T2) such as ICY racing, that team got a 1-2 win @ runoffs this year.
It's a good start.....

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Old 11-23-2005, 02:44 AM   #10
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At least Team Blew got ESX to have us host an AX at their Subaru Nationals on Dec. 4th @ Los Angeles Country Raceway. A number of Team Blew auto crossers are hoping to eventually get into road racing. We have two STI members that are road racers that are using AX to stay sharp while they build new road race cars.

http://www.esxmotorsports.com/shootout.htm

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Old 11-23-2005, 03:09 AM   #11
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At least Team Blew got ESX to have us host an AX at their Subaru Nationals on Dec. 4th @ Los Angeles Country Raceway. A number of Team Blew auto crossers are hoping to eventually get into road racing. We have one STI member that is a road racer that is using AX to stay sharp while he builds a new road race car.

http://www.esxmotorsports.com/shootout.htm
Very cool. That is how Team IAC got started we AutoXed for about 2 years, then a few people moved on to HPDE and then most of the folks moved away from the Subies and are racing in ITA and ECHC. A few of us are still trying to go from HPDE to Road Racing with a Subaru. I did 2 races in my Impreza L and hopefully will get my Legacy Turbo ready for this coming season. You guys sound like a West Coast version of how we started. Good luck and definitely keep in touch. The more folks we get excited and into Road Racing Subarus, the better it will be.

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Old 11-23-2005, 03:51 AM   #12
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Road course racing is where it is at. I don't follow the WRC very much but at AX our cars do very well stock or with just sway bars they usually win the class. My dream is to getting into road course racing once I have the funds(so like 10 years). I hope that by then SOA will be getting into it. Check out the latest issue of subiesport they have a huge article on road course racing and how the guy in the WRX is 2nd place for the season.
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Old 11-23-2005, 08:13 AM   #13
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Actually IMHO Subaru does a great job supporting Amateur road racing with both the factory team and also good contingency $$. They do not have presence currently at a Pro level though other then when they supported Gary Sheehan in his USTCC car. Not sure if Brian Lock had any support when he ran the car. There really are no cars that have had a good effort in World Challenge or the like so I can see why Subaru wouldn't support there. Its not like they will support either an old car in regional racing, or an unproven driver who is not winning races in Pro.

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Old 11-23-2005, 09:34 AM   #14
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As grassroots track days go, I just bought me a 95 L that is being converted to 2.5 RS specs. So far I have everything but the motor. It's gonna be a 1.8RS this year.
I've autocrossed for about 5 years now. The best I ever did was in my 2.5 RS. The problem with that car was it was too small and geared too high for every day. Now I have the WRX for daily duty.
I ran last season in a STS Neon, and running a track day at LRP with EMRA did me in.
I only ran a 1.14, but I was concerned with having a fun and safe day rather than setting a lap record. Most of the day I left it in 4th so I could concentrate on the lines.
I found my current L for $500, and couldnt pass it up. Hopefully the RS transmission gearing will wake up the 1.8, and I'll run smaller tires to help the gearing.

I wish more people would get involved with motorsports events. Everyone wants to mod their car for more performance, but they have nowhere safe to use it.
With our local autocross club, Subaru turnout is pretty good. VW and neon turnout is poor. There are lots of people that talk up a good story, but will never show.
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Old 11-23-2005, 11:47 AM   #15
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The truth is, open road course does not draw a large enough crowd. Thus people and sponsors won't show. For Drag or Nascar, you have a captured audience, who just sit in one place to see all the action. This lures more spectators and spectators = sponsors.
IMHO: In the end Subaru just wants to sell cars and they want the largest positive exposure they can get. Unfortunately, ESX have given them that exposure, but that exposure is now an open wound for all to see

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