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Old 12-19-2005, 12:27 PM   #51
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allied, do you offer a skid plate that will work on the baja with the lift? i am just thinking ahead i cant wait for the end of jan!
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Old 12-20-2005, 11:29 PM   #52
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Allied Armament has the Baja lift kit up on there site.$595.00 Forester & Impreza included.
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Old 12-21-2005, 09:37 AM   #53
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my kit will be ordered at the end of januaray!
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Old 12-24-2005, 12:33 PM   #54
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I don't see why Allied Armament wouldn't run into the same problems as the other body-lift kit that Rallitek installed. Is it really engineered that differently, I mean it's just a bunch of shims and stuff, right? Has the kit actually been installed on a Baja yet, or is Allied Armament just basing that it will be easy to make a kit because they have lifted many Subarus in the past? Don't get me wrong, that's a good reason, but has the kit been installed or test-fitted at all? I live in Southern California and am willing to donate my car (and pay for the lift kit) to Allied Armament for as long as they need (within reason) so that they can sell a complete and bolt-on kit specifically tailored to the Baja. (Actually, I just want a free install!) I just wouldn't know how to get my car to them reasonably cheap.

Or if the kit has already been tested and really is a bolt-on, I will definitely order a kit right now. Is this something I can do in my garage with normal tools and minimal skills?

I have an '05 Baja (turbo) so I only expect a 2.5-inch lift.

P.S. What springs can I use on the '05 to get even more lift? I know the Scorpion springs didn't do anything as far as lift for the later-model Bajas (the ones with the higher factory body lift).
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Old 12-24-2005, 05:17 PM   #55
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Allied doesn't have the kit done yet, at least not last time I looked. They were looking for a few people to order so they could buy the needed parts to put the thing togehter and get it installed on a Baja. That is why they are willing to give a really good price to the first four or so buyers. They will be funding the AA research. I have no doubt that theirs will be better than the Scorpion lift that Rallitek installed.

The Scorpion was basically made for an Outback wagon, but the set of the two vehicles, while very close, is not identical. That is why they ran into problems. Most of the kit fit, but a few important elements were not right. So, they had problems.

AA says they will design specifilcally for the Baja. They may have even offered a free install to anyone willing to let them work out the kinks on their ride.

If I were in Oregon I would do it.
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Old 12-24-2005, 05:44 PM   #56
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Okay so the best I can do is just get my order in. That sounds good. I will call them on Monday and do just that.
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Old 12-25-2005, 08:43 PM   #57
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they plan on running a group buy at the end of january, so you may want to wait until then.
also as far as springs go ion performance offers some lift springs that get you nearly 2" of additional lift i also plan on purchasing these with the lift.
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Old 12-25-2005, 10:14 PM   #58
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Will the Ion springs lift the '04 and later? One would think since it's a suspension lift, it doesn't matter what the body lift is, but I remember reading about someone who installed the Scorpion lift springs on their post-'03 Baja and it did nothing to change the ride height!
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Old 01-03-2006, 10:28 PM   #59
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Will the Ion springs lift the '04 and later? One would think since it's a suspension lift, it doesn't matter what the body lift is, but I remember reading about someone who installed the Scorpion lift springs on their post-'03 Baja and it did nothing to change the ride height!

i was just about to send ion a pm about this.
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Old 01-03-2006, 10:52 PM   #60
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Will the Ion springs lift the '04 and later? One would think since it's a suspension lift, it doesn't matter what the body lift is, but I remember reading about someone who installed the Scorpion lift springs on their post-'03 Baja and it did nothing to change the ride height!
Here's the deal with that. On my 03 I got over an inch of lift from Scorp springs. On later models that is offset by the factory body lift which added an inch. That left only a small amount for the Scorp. springs to add anything. The IONs are said to go two inches as I recall, maybe more. If so, then they will push a later model car up.
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Old 01-04-2006, 01:07 PM   #61
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i just confirmed it with ION their lift springs lifted an 04baja (the last year in canada) 2" over stock.
anyone car to comment on how much this would lift our 05-06's?
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Old 01-04-2006, 03:02 PM   #62
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i know that the '04 bajas in the states were all lifted the same amount as the 05-06's, however, i do not think that the canadian models ever got turbos either, and they also had cool things like heated mirrors, so who's to say that they ever got the lift that the 04/05/06's got here?
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Old 01-08-2006, 01:24 PM   #63
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I just wanted to give everyone a heads up and tell everyone I am back from my three week hiatus in Costa Rica. The place is awesome, but I'll talk about that later. Anyways, as for the lifts for the Baja, it looks like the stars will be aligning for the new product if we can get a few people to jump in for the prototype lifts (really there is nothing prototype about it) but these will be the models that we make sure we get the camber correct. As for anyone who is interested in watching what our product can do, we have an outback a legacy and two GL wagons that will be offroading January 28th in St. Helens Oregon at the mud run, we allready did a mud run new years day and from what I was told the allied cars stomped on tons of the big trucks with 36's and larger tires and not a single allied car got stuck. If you don't believe me you can come up and watch the festivities and be a judge for yourself. I will run a group buy at the end of January for the new lifts, for which will take about 2-3 weeks to finalize after the group buy. If anyone would like a free install they are more than welcome to deliver their vehicle to our shop for the install. I will be back on here in the next couple of days.

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Old 01-08-2006, 04:04 PM   #64
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awesome! just let us know when to send the money and such!!!!!!!!
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Old 01-18-2006, 12:43 PM   #65
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i NEED TO KNOW HOW HARD IS IT TO DO THE BODY LIFT ON A BAJA AT YOU HOUSE USING STANDS AND A JACK AND HOW HARD IS IT TO ADJUST THE STEERING LINKAGE.
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Old 01-18-2006, 01:24 PM   #66
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Old 01-18-2006, 01:39 PM   #67
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IM AT WORK SO IT DOESNT MATTER HOW THEy aRe
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Old 01-18-2006, 08:31 PM   #68
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I personally don't know how hard it is to install one in your garage since we have a hydraulic lift , but I know many people have done it with floor jacks and a blocks. You may want to ask around.


OKAY,

Now for the questions! Production at the shop is finally slowing now that the all of our orders are almost all filled, and with that now I need to know how many people are interested in getting a lift on their Baja's so we can begin manufacturing them?

I may just start a whole new thread with a group buy in it and I think that will be the way to go.

Please put opinions in so I know what the next step will be.
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Old 01-18-2006, 08:53 PM   #69
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I for sure want one for our Baja, we have an 06 Baja-T.

Just let us know when and where to send the money
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Old 01-18-2006, 09:13 PM   #70
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Alright, I guess I'll chime in with some issues and questions I've got...

I'd be more interested if you could answer some questions about your design ideas more specifically.

Have you guys had a Baja apart yet? It's not quite as straight forward as the other Legacy based vehicles, as John (Mudrat) told me after having one apart. If it were, his product would be out already. From my understanding, Rallitek gave up on their Baja (and put it up for sale) because it just wasn't going to go anywhere from the basic set-up and their frustrations with making lift kits work.

Are you guys planning on blocks on the body and spacers on the strut mounts? What do you mean by 'extensions on the struts'? Are you fabricating the steering arm, pitch stop rod and steering shaft yourself and what kind of guarantee would you be willing to give on that? What grade bolts are you using on all of this? You mention working out the camber on the trial customers, but how will camber be affected with a body lift? It also seems like you gloss over the problems with the Turbo model. Are you going to recommend extended exhaust hangers? Are there any potential issues with the Baja's drive by wire system? Etc etc. Not trying to give you a hard time, but maybe there'd be more money plopped down if there was more info available.

My number one and two problems with going the 2" body lift -
1. Major pain in the @ss to do at home, little parts will have you back and forth to the parts shop. It's no stroll in the park.
2. Major pain in the wallet to have it done at the shop. 2 days of 2 people at Rallitek with a non-turbo.

If I remember correctly, Rallitek was still only able to get 225/70 tires to fit with the body lift and some sawzall and BFH action. So: same suspension travel, same ground clearance (aside from approach and departure angles), same tire fitment issues.

And from personal experience, the lift springs being sold as Baja lift springs on the market are for Legacies. They're better quality springs than stock and a good investment, but don't count on them lifting your '04 and up Baja. I'll believe Ion's springs lift later models when I see the proof.

I've been looking into this for awhile now (and I know some others have as well), so I'd be stoked to hear some quality info on how it's going to happen.

I guess my main point is there's a big difference (to me as a consumer) in lifting my new(ish) limited production (according to rumors) $25k+ vehicle compared to lifting a GL or Legacy I bought from craigslist for $1k and I expect the difference to be reflected in any lift I put on there.

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Old 01-19-2006, 10:57 AM   #71
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very good questions Tex!
i hope to hear some good responses, im will be glad to know that Allied has all the bases covered so the lift kit fits as good as possible.
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Old 01-19-2006, 09:04 PM   #72
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Okay I am going to answer of all of your questions you have addressed.

Have you guys had a Baja apart yet?

No we have not had the Baja apart, but we have lifted several Outbacks, of the same model designation.

It's not quite as straight forward as the other Legacy based vehicles, as John (Mudrat) told me after having one apart.

John has never lifted a newer model suub successfully from what I know, and we have. I would assume his opinion false and he only told you that so...... not going into detail herez

Anyways, Subaru would not go to extreme lengths to modify their Outback/legacy platform for which the Baja is built on. Subaru and all other manufactures build multiple vehicles on one platform for several reasons, one of them being crash testing.

From my understanding, Rallitek gave up on their Baja (and put it up for sale) because it just wasn't going to go anywhere from the basic set-up and their frustrations with making lift kits work.

I have no clue what happened there. We are planning to meet with Rallitek shortly, to see if they would like anything lifted, for which I know we will be successful at.

Are you guys planning on blocks on the body and spacers on the strut mounts? What do you mean by 'extensions on the struts'?
I'd be more interested if you could answer some questions about your design ideas more specifically.

Blocks between the front engine craddle, tranny crossmembers (unitized for rigidity), and the rear subframe. Strut extensions are basically an extension from the top of the strut housing to the top of the strut, the vehicles will have four of them front and rear.

Are you fabricating the steering arm, pitch stop rod and steering shaft yourself and what kind of guarantee would you be willing to give on that?

We extend the current forrester/baja steering arm with the vibration dampner (only those two models have it) note: there is a core charge on the extensions. Because of the inherent risks of extending the piece all extensions are done via machining on our lathe for precision fitting, and are welded twice inside and out. All parts come with a five year warranty.

What grade bolts are you using on all of this?

Only the strongest, grade 8 (we dont mess around thats all we need is a bolt sheering off).

You mention working out the camber on the trial customers, but how will camber be affected with a body lift?

Because we are extending the length of the strut from the top via extension, we have to precisely move the extension to the inside of the vehicle so that it places the strut in the same location as it would if the vehicle was not lifted. You can really screw the camber up if you do not know what you are doing. We only lift our vehicles 4" inches so there is no real guess work because we have done it many times before.

It also seems like you gloss over the problems with the Turbo model. Are you going to recommend extended exhaust hangers? Are there any potential issues with the Baja's drive by wire system?

All vehicles will most likely need to have there exhaust rehung. Its the nature of lifting the vehicle, especially if you want to actually take it offroad. If there is any electrical extensions that we need to fab together than we will do so for the drive by wire or any other hardware will operate reliably.

Also you forgot to ask about the sway bar.

Yes we will make extensions so it will still work.

If you look at the front page of our website: www.alliedarmament.com
or if that link doesnt work www.alliedarmament.homestead.com you will see scrolling pictures of our lifted vehicles. One of them is of an outback hanging a corner it has a 4" lift with 27 inch tires. If you would like us to email you some pictures of it with 29" swampers on it and a legacy you can call the shop 503 543 5154 or email us and we will send you some allied004@centurytel.net or malarkey2@aol.com .

I will guarantee that 29' swampers will fit on your vehicle although minor and i mean minor rear fender well trimming will be needed (un noticeable to the eye).

Quote: I've been looking into this for awhile now (and I know some others have as well), so I'd be stoked to hear some quality info on how it's going to happen.

I guess my main point is there's a big difference (to me as a consumer) in lifting my new(ish) limited production (according to rumors) $25k+ vehicle compared to lifting a GL or Legacy I bought from craigslist for $1k and I expect the difference to be reflected in any lift I put on there.[/quote]

With this I will guarantee you a top quality product for which will be guaranteed for 5yrs. I was going to make the lift fairly inexpensive but it will still cost about $550 or more depending on components, bolts alone cost us near $100.

I am going to start the group buy now so whoever is interested should hop on. 9
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Have you guys had a Baja apart yet?

No we have not had the Baja apart, but we have lifted several Outbacks, of the same model designation.

Anyways, Subaru would not go to extreme lengths to modify their Outback/legacy platform for which the Baja is built on. Subaru and all other manufactures build multiple vehicles on one platform for several reasons, one of them being crash testing.
Thanks for the answers.

All the weird structural stuff in the rear end IS the difference, that's the problem.

Anyway, I appreciate you taking the plunge and I look forward to seeing some installs.
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Ok, I Am wriiting in this Post to CLEARLY POST WHAT I HAVE OR HAVE NOT DONE...

to start with the website at http://mudrat-design.tripod.com/.....
is a TEST SITE put online by A friend Of My Fathers.....
My Main Site is Located at
http://www.oregonoffroadsubaruclub.org

Now Onto the rest of this mess.....

I Build Lift Kits, bumpers, Roofracks, and many other things

FOR ALL MAKES AND MODELS OF SUBARU.........that being said.....

James Malarky of allied armament stated his OPINION earlier in this thread that I HAVE NOT SUCESSFULLY INSTALLED A LIFT INTO A NEWER GEN CAR.....?

How does he know this....????????/ I've only met the guy one time in passing and he was pumping me for info on all things subaru under the sun once he figured out who I was.....

I have fabricated many things for the Subaru offroad Market straight from scratch many times over the years.....Everything I build I stand Behind.Lifetime warranty as far as I am concerned.....I've had nothing come back to me broken Due to My CRAFTSMANSHIP........

There has been a major reason for not bringing a 4" or bigger lift to the Newer Car market yet......I look at Lifting these cars From every angle....

I know the average Guy wants to install this himself, Also He wants to buy it for a reasonable price.He wants something that functions on a Normal drive, as well as while getting into the extreme....

There are Many Many factors that come into play when looking at buildig the Lift kit for the Outback, Forester, Impreza, Legacy, or Baja.....

I am building a Kit that will fit ALL THESE VEHICLES NOT JUST ONE.....

Also there are some major differences in these Chassis' from 90-99 and from 00-06

But Again my Kit Will fit ALL THESE VEHICLES.......

I am holding my breath to see what Comes from the shop of allied armament
in regards to a 4" lift that will function properly in anything of the EJ series
for 550-650 Dollars....?

I know I can't build a GOOD Kit for that price.......

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