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Old 11-23-2005, 04:16 PM   #1
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Default Fram Part No. for 05 motor?

So, I've joined the dark(er) side of things and just recently got an 05 WRX (well really recently) and it's time for its first oil change. Anyways...the computer @ the parts store (and the Fram website) list the same filter. PH9715 is the 2005 filter listed and it was a little thing, like the size of a garden tractor filter. The 2004 model listed in the book and on the computer (parts store and fram site) is a PH3593A which looks to be about the same size as my old 2000 malibu's filter. So the question is, which one is right? Did Subaru make an oil filter change in 2005, or is someone's database incorrect? My money's on the db, but just wanted to double check. Thanks guys.
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Old 11-23-2005, 04:22 PM   #2
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Don't buy a Fram filter .

Get a Purolator or something.
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Old 11-23-2005, 04:23 PM   #3
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Don't buy a Fram filter .

Get a Purolator or something.

Thanks for answering my question...perhaps you can now answer the question why?
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Old 11-23-2005, 04:28 PM   #4
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Fram filters suck

the smaller one is the correct filter, just dont get fram

read this thread
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=434057

This is why fram filters suck(disregard the Honda part, there filters are all the same)

http://effinmotorworks.com/Filters.htm

Scroll down to the pictures at the bottom, the fram uses cardboard backing were the better filter manufactures use metal. That cardboard can break apart and get into the oil system.

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Old 11-23-2005, 04:30 PM   #5
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Fram filters suck

the smaller one is the correct filter, just dont get fram


So there was a change between the years on filter sizes? Ok, that's what I needed to know.

Already getting hated on about my filter choice...interesting.
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Old 11-23-2005, 04:33 PM   #6
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IIRC subaru themselves have changed filters a couple times due to QC, but aftermarket filters should have the same number. I know from previous experience the PH3593A was the filter i used on my 2.5 Legacy when i racked up about 150K miles on her, not so sure it should be the same filter used on a turbo 2.0 Ltr.

Changing the filter and oil at proper internvals is 1000X more important than the name brand on it.
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Old 11-23-2005, 04:34 PM   #7
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Changing the filter and oil at proper internvals is 1000X more important than the name brand on it.


Couldn't agree more with that statement. Thanks for the info.
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Old 11-23-2005, 04:38 PM   #8
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check this link as to why fram sucks
http://effinmotorworks.com/Filters.htm
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Old 11-23-2005, 04:44 PM   #9
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I've used Fram's without incident quite a bit with my old 95 L but I recently switched back to OEM(when I got my WRX) when I read about the crappy filter media and lack of pleats and anti-drainback valve.

<----takes no chances with his EJ20
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Old 11-23-2005, 04:59 PM   #10
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yea, i've yet to see the thread titled "my wrx engine blew up because i didn't use the super specialz OEM filter!!", and we never will.
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Old 11-23-2005, 05:14 PM   #11
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ehh. OEM is just as cheap as Purolator and whatnot for me. i think i paid JUST over $6 a piece at the dealership. picked up 6 of them. already used 3. gave me free crush gaskets too.
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Old 11-23-2005, 07:27 PM   #12
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It's the: PH3593A

The new books/computer's are wrong. I've done 8 oil changes with that part number. The older books had the correct listing.

I love the black grippy stuff Fram uses.

If this is your first oil change after the factory installed the filter, you may be in for a shock. My factory filter was on rediculously tight. The filter ended up tearing and crushing before it came loose.
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Old 11-23-2005, 08:30 PM   #13
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It's the: PH3593A
^ correct part number, I've been using Fram filters since the car was new(Dec '02), it now has almost 75k miles on it, at STG4+ levels(zero problems), & yes I've heard/read all the reviews on Fram filters....the deal is, as stated above, as long as you change your oil & filter regularly(3k mile intervals) you should have no issues w/ the cheap Fram filter...
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Old 11-23-2005, 08:32 PM   #14
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wow, that means it's the same filter as used on the older (my 98) 2.5 leggies. I wonder how many models that filter spans. ..
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Old 11-23-2005, 08:53 PM   #15
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I have used fram in the past without incident, but not on my WRX - or even my old Corolla... while there have certainly been no engine failures blamed on the filter, I think the cardboard and glue construction of the Fram is just not a good idea...

Here's a link to some pics comparing the OEM (an 080, I think) to the Fram filter (lots of other comparisons on that site if you look around)
http://www.bescaredracing.com/sti/oi...em_vs_fram_tg/
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Old 11-23-2005, 09:11 PM   #16
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yea, i've yet to see the thread titled "my wrx engine blew up because i didn't use the super specialz OEM filter!!", and we never will.
so their crap filters why would you buy a crappy filter or your car when you can get a purolator or napa gold filter for not much more?

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^ correct part number, I've been using Fram filters since the car was new(Dec '02), it now has almost 75k miles on it, at STG4+ levels(zero problems), & yes I've heard/read all the reviews on Fram filters....the deal is, as stated above, as long as you change your oil & filter regularly(3k mile intervals) you should have no issues w/ the cheap Fram filter...
so if you're gonna put quality oil in your car and want to maintain it correctly why put a filter made of cardboard and glue in there? it defeats the purpose
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Old 11-23-2005, 10:27 PM   #17
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It's the: PH3593A

The new books/computer's are wrong. I've done 8 oil changes with that part number. The older books had the correct listing.

I love the black grippy stuff Fram uses.

If this is your first oil change after the factory installed the filter, you may be in for a shock. My factory filter was on rediculously tight. The filter ended up tearing and crushing before it came loose.
Thanks for the ref number, looks like I'm good to go. I'll continue reading about these Fram filter issues. I appreciate those that clued me in with a genuine reason behind their statements.
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Old 11-23-2005, 11:12 PM   #18
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You might want to check on what the bypass rating is for the Fram.That is most critical as the Subaru oem (made by Purolator) is set at around 20psi and most others are using 8-11psi.
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Old 11-23-2005, 11:17 PM   #19
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You might want to check on what the bypass rating is for the Fram.That is most critical as the Subaru oem (made by Purolator) is set at around 20psi and most others are using 8-11psi.
That's good info, thanks, I'll look into it.
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