Bye bye Purolator... hello to Napa Gold (aka Wix)...

AzSandSlinger · 11-27-2005, 10:21 PM

So I go to my local Pep Boys to buy my usual Purolator L24458 oil filter... same as OEM purolator, but a tad longer.. much to my surprise, and dismay, they are no longer availiable!! they have been superceded by none other than the L14460!! the small version!!

So after I use my last L24458 (going to miss the Pep Boys 2/$5 sales)... I'll be going to the Napa Gold (P/N 1344 for those who are interested) and not returning to Purolator (unless they get the longer filters back)

On another note.. the oversized filter version I used to use for my truck L20123, was superceded by the old small version as well (L25288)!!

.. yet another reason to keep the switch..

-Shane

* Registered users of the site do not see these ads.

shane86 · 11-27-2005, 10:47 PM

In an act of boredom, here is the link to napa online's listing for the filter:
http://www.napaonline.com/cgi-bin/nc...1&prmenbr=5806

-Someone also named Shane.

DrD · 11-28-2005, 07:42 AM

It's not so much the size of the can which matters, but rather the filter element contained therein - there is a guy who took apart a bunch of filters and posted tons of pics (don't have the link here, but if you search it should come up) - the filter element in the WIX (and NAPA gold, which was internally identical) was disturbingly small - about half the filter area of the OEM filter they looked at (an AA080) - they looked at two Purolators - both had the same element, and were the closest to the OEM in terms of media area (maybe 15% less).

2fas4u · 11-28-2005, 10:12 AM

yep, the OEM's are still the best out of them all.....

AzSandSlinger · 11-28-2005, 10:55 AM

Understand... and I have done some extensive searches.. not just on this site, but on many others as well..

FYI.. you are correct, the comparable Purolator (PL14612) in the test you mentioned had slightly less surface area... BUT, the "oversized" Purolator (PL14610) in the same test had 15% more filter area than the stocker.. but there is alot more to an oil filter than the surface area.. multi-pass/single-pass efficiency and micron filter rating have some bearing as well.. to me, workmanship is a huge influence..

I am more or less an "anything but Fram" guy... even the re-labelled Fram's (i.e. Pennzoil, Quaker State, etc...).. I cannot go with a filter that has proven failures (including personal experience).. and has had no major technology improvements in 2 decades.. the grippy coating doesn't count

especially since most places I know of have Fram's more expensive than Purolators and better quality "no-names."

for those who are interested:
the replacements for the Purolator L24458:

Amsoil SDF36 (soon to be replaced with the EAO36)
WIX 51344
Napa Gold 1344 (repackaged Wix)
AC-Delco PF1127
SuperTech st3593A

Yes, I realize that the ST filter has the same PN as the Fram... I know they USED to be made from Champion Labs.. but not sure if they have become repackaged Fram's yet.. Last I hear, they are still Champ filters.. and surprisingly, the ST's have scored extremely well (the Champion Labs ones) even when put up against "luxury" filters (PureOne, Amsoil, Fram DoubleGuard, etc...).. If it wasn't for the fact that they are in WalMart and might possibly be made from Fram now, they'd be my 2nd choice..

-Shane

AzSandSlinger · 11-28-2005, 05:10 PM

well... after an exhausting search through damn near every Wix filter availiable, then cross-referencing those to Purolator PN's.. I have found the following as the best candidates..

--------------------------------------------------------------

First, the stock specs:

Wix: 51334 (Purolator: L14460)

Size: HxOD = 3.2in. x 3.3in.
Thread Size: 20X1.5 MM
By-Pass Valve Setting-PSI: 8-11
Anti-Drain Back Valve: Yes
Max Flow Rate: 9-11 GPM
Nominal Micro Rating: 19

Gasket Diameters
O.D.= 2.5in.
I.D. = 2.2in.

--------------------------------------------------------------

The specs from the "oversized" one I WAS using:

Wix: 51344 (Purolator: L24458)

Size: HxOD = 4.1in. x 3.2in.
Thread Size: 20X1.5 MM
By-Pass Valve Setting-PSI: 8-11
Anti-Drain Back Valve: Yes
Max Flow Rate: 9-11 GPM
Nominal Micro Rating: 19

Gasket Diameters
O.D.= 2.5in.
I.D. = 2.2in.

--------------------------------------------------------------

And now the ones I am hoping to use:

1:

Wix: 51285 (Purolator: L30251)

Size: HxOD = 5.8in. x 3.0in.
Thread Size: 20X1.5 MM
By-Pass Valve Setting-PSI: 30
Anti-Drain Back Valve: Yes
Max Flow Rate: 9-11 GPM
Nominal Micro Rating: 32

Gasket Diameters
O.D.= 2.7in.
I.D. = 2.4in.

2:

Wix: 51287 (Purolator: L30165) A shorter version of above

Size: HxOD = 4.8in. x 2.9in.
Thread Size: 20X1.5 MM
By-Pass Valve Setting-PSI: 27-33
Anti-Drain Back Valve: Yes
Max Flow Rate: 9-11 GPM
Nominal Micro Rating: 19

Gasket Diameters
O.D.= 2.7in.
I.D. = 2.4in.

--------------------------------------------------------------

Availability is there, and the prices are reasonable...chances are number 2 is looking like a winner for the simple fact that it's only a little over .5" longer than the "oversized" filter I was using (and over 1.5" longer than the stocker)... I like number one, but I think I may have issues with the extra 2" length... not too mention that the Purolator version (L30251) is an inch longer than the Wix version!

Well, I realize not many people give 2 shats about what I posted.. but I'll post it anyway.. even if one person is interested, I've given my contribution..

-Shane

shemoves · 11-28-2005, 05:26 PM

How much cheaper are the ones you are gonna start using than the Subaru OEM ones?

silentbob343 · 11-28-2005, 06:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AzSandSlinger

Understand... and I have done some extensive searches.. not just on this site, but on many others as well..

FYI.. you are correct, the comparable Purolator (PL14612) in the test you mentioned had slightly less surface area... BUT, the "oversized" Purolator (PL14610) in the same test had 15% more filter area than the stocker.. but there is alot more to an oil filter than the surface area.. multi-pass/single-pass efficiency and micron filter rating have some bearing as well.. to me, workmanship is a huge influence..

-Shane

hmmm the oil filter for my mazda is also PL14612, wonder if I could have used the PL14610.

AzSandSlinger · 11-28-2005, 09:32 PM

shemoves:
price is relative..

the ones I want to use are a little more than the stockers... but you get more filter area (my best guestimate would be around twice as much area) and a bigger area to aid in oil "cooling".. I usually only buy my filters when I have a Pep Boys 2/$5 coupon...

silentbob:
you should be able to use the PL14610 in lieu of the -612.. the only difference is the length.. the -610 is .5" longer than the -612..

on another note.. I just looked underneath the car and it looks like I might try both.. the shorter of the 2 will fit easily with no clearance issues.. the longer one might have some issues, but might not.. if so, I'll just throw it on the truck..

I plan on modding my truck so I can use these filters on it as well..

-Shane

shemoves · 11-29-2005, 01:53 AM

Well, just as long as it will do a better job that the OEM. It is funny, cause I read so many threads about people saying this and that about such and such filter when the OEM ones, which have been proven to be top notch, are completely ignored...its almost humorous.

AzSandSlinger · 11-29-2005, 10:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shemoves

Well, just as long as it will do a better job that the OEM. It is funny, cause I read so many threads about people saying this and that about such and such filter when the OEM ones, which have been proven to be top notch, are completely ignored...its almost humorous.

you are absolutely right when comparing OEM to stock size filters.. I laugh as well.. almost as much as I do when I hear people praising Fram..

I will say that Purolators (who make the OEM filters) are very comparable and about half as much when on sale.

However, I'm going for a larger filter to get more filter area, more cooling area, more oil capacity, etc.. and trying to get both my car and truck to use the same filter..

-Shane

tmeh · 12-02-2005, 06:42 AM

which OEM filter are you guys referring to, the made in Canada one, the made in USA one, or the made in Japan one?

the Canada one is the tiny one
the USA one is the larger one, white
the Japan one is black, comes with a greased gasket and is sealed

i opened one of the made in USA ones and it had metal filings in the threads... very disturbing.

i'm a big fan of the made in Japan ones, but they're $18CDN/each

hondaeater69 · 12-02-2005, 10:23 AM

the japan OEM ones are teh best.

I Just use bosch and chang'em every 4K.

shemoves · 12-02-2005, 11:22 AM

ehh, I am unsure which ones I have...I bought them a while ago. They are small, black, and have a piece of protective plastic over the opening.

AzSandSlinger · 12-02-2005, 03:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shemoves

ehh, I am unsure which ones I have...I bought them a while ago. They are small, black, and have a piece of protective plastic over the opening.

IIRC, the smaller black ones are the "-A100" ones.. the Subie ones that were made by Tokyo Roki... They have since switched to the "-A090" ones...

-Shane

peterex · 12-02-2005, 04:30 PM

I've been using the Wix/Napa Golds for a while now (p/n 1334), and I'm happy with them. They seem to be very well constructed. Do a search on the bobistheoilguy forums - these filters are well regarded by the oil geeks. Basically, they provide good filtration, but perhaps more importantly to some, excellent flow characteristics - something important during cold startups. There's a link to a web site in a thread there where you can buy the filters for <$5 each.

Keep us posted on which of the larger than OEM filters fit.

shemoves · 12-02-2005, 05:49 PM

I'm glad a bought a bunch of the 'old' ones a while back.

DrD · 12-02-2005, 05:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AzSandSlinger

IIRC, the smaller black ones are the "-A100" ones.. the Subie ones that were made by Tokyo Roki... They have since switched to the "-A090" ones...

the black ones included both the AA080 and AA100 which look the same except for some changes in the markings on the outside. The AA060 which was initially spec'ed for most Subaru's (everything except the H6, iirc) was made by purolator, and a little larger in diameter than the black filters. The new one has a different number (not the same numbering system, it seems) but there have been problems with oil seepage from those (evidently from where the can meets the endplate)

AzSandSlinger · 12-02-2005, 10:12 PM

IIRC, The "new" filters are made by Purolator, and the issue has been resolved.. It was a bad "batch" from what I remember.. I'm still a die-hard Puro fan and have had no issues with the "non-Subie" branded filters (aka the store-bought Puro's).. I absolutely refuse to pay ~$10/filter or more for a Tokyo Roki filter... I think I'd rather buy an OEM Honda filter (i.e. high grade Fram) before I'd buy an overpriced T-R..

I will post my findings as soon as it's time for my oil change (I have ~2k left on my normal 5k mile period).

-Shane

armand1 · 12-03-2005, 02:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AzSandSlinger

... I absolutely refuse to pay ~$10/filter or more for a Tokyo Roki filter......

So just buy them for $4.75 each like I did from the place mentioned in the big OEM oil filter thread in the Warranty forum.

digitalmethods · 04-12-2006, 06:58 AM

I wanted to bump this thread and see what filter ended up working out better for you. I pm'd you as well.

avk · 04-13-2006, 12:33 PM

As long as this is getting bumped: FWIW, Purolator filter brand has been sold to Bosch and Mann, http://www.bosch-presse.de/TBWebDB/e...xt.cfm?id=2617.

digitalmethods · 04-13-2006, 03:00 PM

Correct me if I'm wrong but the mfg. switched from wix to bosch? Is that what you are stating. I was going to use the Napa gold model so would that effect anything?

Farnsrocket · 04-17-2006, 05:19 PM

Are you worried that the by-pass valve psi on the #1 oversized Purolator is about 20lbs more than the "stocked spec" Purolator?
I have been using an L20073....its quite a bit taller than the stocker.

Specs:

L20073 4.74" 2.98" psi 12-15

zuczek · 04-17-2006, 11:28 PM

Are K&N oil filters any good? I heard that they don't meet the OEM standards for filtration thus better oil flow. Anyone uses them?

04-17-2006, 05:19 PM	#24
Farnsrocket Scooby Specialist Member#: 83567 Join Date: Mar 2005 Chapter/Region: MWSOC Vehicle: 08 Outback Obsidian Black Pearl	Are you worried that the by-pass valve psi on the #1 oversized Purolator is about 20lbs more than the "stocked spec" Purolator? I have been using an L20073....its quite a bit taller than the stocker. Specs: L20073 4.74" 2.98" psi 12-15 Last edited by Farnsrocket; 04-17-2006 at 06:38 PM.

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11-27-2005, 10:21 PM	#1
AzSandSlinger Scooby Specialist Member#: 32684 Join Date: Feb 2003 Chapter/Region: SWIC Location: Maricopa, AZ	Bye bye Purolator... hello to Napa Gold (aka Wix)... So I go to my local Pep Boys to buy my usual Purolator L24458 oil filter... same as OEM purolator, but a tad longer.. much to my surprise, and dismay, they are no longer availiable!! they have been superceded by none other than the L14460!! the small version!! So after I use my last L24458 (going to miss the Pep Boys 2/$5 sales)... I'll be going to the Napa Gold (P/N 1344 for those who are interested) and not returning to Purolator (unless they get the longer filters back) On another note.. the oversized filter version I used to use for my truck L20123, was superceded by the old small version as well (L25288)!! .. yet another reason to keep the switch.. -Shane * Registered users of the site do not see these ads.

11-27-2005, 10:47 PM	#2
shane86 Scooby Newbie Member#: 67387 Join Date: Aug 2004 Chapter/Region: MWSOC Location: Minneapolis, MN Vehicle: 04 WRX - STX 05 LGT Limited Wagon	In an act of boredom, here is the link to napa online's listing for the filter: http://www.napaonline.com/cgi-bin/nc...1&prmenbr=5806 -Someone also named Shane.

11-28-2005, 07:42 AM	#3
DrD Scooby Guru Member#: 22412 Join Date: Aug 2002 Chapter/Region: SWIC Location: Albuquerque, NM Vehicle: 2012 Legacy 2.5GT Ice Silver Metallic	It's not so much the size of the can which matters, but rather the filter element contained therein - there is a guy who took apart a bunch of filters and posted tons of pics (don't have the link here, but if you search it should come up) - the filter element in the WIX (and NAPA gold, which was internally identical) was disturbingly small - about half the filter area of the OEM filter they looked at (an AA080) - they looked at two Purolators - both had the same element, and were the closest to the OEM in terms of media area (maybe 15% less).

11-28-2005, 10:12 AM	#4
2fas4u Scooby Specialist Member#: 90691 Join Date: Jul 2005 Chapter/Region: MAIC Location: Manchester, Maryland Vehicle: 2005 STI / 2009 STI Blue	yep, the OEM's are still the best out of them all.....

11-28-2005, 10:55 AM	#5
AzSandSlinger Scooby Specialist Member#: 32684 Join Date: Feb 2003 Chapter/Region: SWIC Location: Maricopa, AZ	Understand... and I have done some extensive searches.. not just on this site, but on many others as well.. FYI.. you are correct, the comparable Purolator (PL14612) in the test you mentioned had slightly less surface area... BUT, the "oversized" Purolator (PL14610) in the same test had 15% more filter area than the stocker.. but there is alot more to an oil filter than the surface area.. multi-pass/single-pass efficiency and micron filter rating have some bearing as well.. to me, workmanship is a huge influence.. I am more or less an "anything but Fram" guy... even the re-labelled Fram's (i.e. Pennzoil, Quaker State, etc...).. I cannot go with a filter that has proven failures (including personal experience).. and has had no major technology improvements in 2 decades.. the grippy coating doesn't count especially since most places I know of have Fram's more expensive than Purolators and better quality "no-names." for those who are interested: the replacements for the Purolator L24458: Amsoil SDF36 (soon to be replaced with the EAO36) WIX 51344 Napa Gold 1344 (repackaged Wix) AC-Delco PF1127 SuperTech st3593A Yes, I realize that the ST filter has the same PN as the Fram... I know they USED to be made from Champion Labs.. but not sure if they have become repackaged Fram's yet.. Last I hear, they are still Champ filters.. and surprisingly, the ST's have scored extremely well (the Champion Labs ones) even when put up against "luxury" filters (PureOne, Amsoil, Fram DoubleGuard, etc...).. If it wasn't for the fact that they are in WalMart and might possibly be made from Fram now, they'd be my 2nd choice.. -Shane

11-28-2005, 05:10 PM	#6
AzSandSlinger Scooby Specialist Member#: 32684 Join Date: Feb 2003 Chapter/Region: SWIC Location: Maricopa, AZ	well... after an exhausting search through damn near every Wix filter availiable, then cross-referencing those to Purolator PN's.. I have found the following as the best candidates.. -------------------------------------------------------------- First, the stock specs: Wix: 51334 (Purolator: L14460) Size: HxOD = 3.2in. x 3.3in. Thread Size: 20X1.5 MM By-Pass Valve Setting-PSI: 8-11 Anti-Drain Back Valve: Yes Max Flow Rate: 9-11 GPM Nominal Micro Rating: 19 Gasket Diameters O.D.= 2.5in. I.D. = 2.2in. -------------------------------------------------------------- The specs from the "oversized" one I WAS using: Wix: 51344 (Purolator: L24458) Size: HxOD = 4.1in. x 3.2in. Thread Size: 20X1.5 MM By-Pass Valve Setting-PSI: 8-11 Anti-Drain Back Valve: Yes Max Flow Rate: 9-11 GPM Nominal Micro Rating: 19 Gasket Diameters O.D.= 2.5in. I.D. = 2.2in. -------------------------------------------------------------- And now the ones I am hoping to use: 1: Wix: 51285 (Purolator: L30251) Size: HxOD = 5.8in. x 3.0in. Thread Size: 20X1.5 MM By-Pass Valve Setting-PSI: 30 Anti-Drain Back Valve: Yes Max Flow Rate: 9-11 GPM Nominal Micro Rating: 32 Gasket Diameters O.D.= 2.7in. I.D. = 2.4in. 2: Wix: 51287 (Purolator: L30165) A shorter version of above Size: HxOD = 4.8in. x 2.9in. Thread Size: 20X1.5 MM By-Pass Valve Setting-PSI: 27-33 Anti-Drain Back Valve: Yes Max Flow Rate: 9-11 GPM Nominal Micro Rating: 19 Gasket Diameters O.D.= 2.7in. I.D. = 2.4in. -------------------------------------------------------------- Availability is there, and the prices are reasonable...chances are number 2 is looking like a winner for the simple fact that it's only a little over .5" longer than the "oversized" filter I was using (and over 1.5" longer than the stocker)... I like number one, but I think I may have issues with the extra 2" length... not too mention that the Purolator version (L30251) is an inch longer than the Wix version! Well, I realize not many people give 2 shats about what I posted.. but I'll post it anyway.. even if one person is interested, I've given my contribution.. -Shane

11-28-2005, 05:26 PM	#7
shemoves Scooby Guru Member#: 80663 Join Date: Jan 2005 Chapter/Region: SWIC Location: Glendale, AZ Vehicle: 1997 Outback	How much cheaper are the ones you are gonna start using than the Subaru OEM ones?

11-28-2005, 09:32 PM	#9
AzSandSlinger Scooby Specialist Member#: 32684 Join Date: Feb 2003 Chapter/Region: SWIC Location: Maricopa, AZ	shemoves: price is relative.. the ones I want to use are a little more than the stockers... but you get more filter area (my best guestimate would be around twice as much area) and a bigger area to aid in oil "cooling".. I usually only buy my filters when I have a Pep Boys 2/$5 coupon... silentbob: you should be able to use the PL14610 in lieu of the -612.. the only difference is the length.. the -610 is .5" longer than the -612.. on another note.. I just looked underneath the car and it looks like I might try both.. the shorter of the 2 will fit easily with no clearance issues.. the longer one might have some issues, but might not.. if so, I'll just throw it on the truck.. I plan on modding my truck so I can use these filters on it as well.. -Shane

11-29-2005, 01:53 AM	#10
shemoves Scooby Guru Member#: 80663 Join Date: Jan 2005 Chapter/Region: SWIC Location: Glendale, AZ Vehicle: 1997 Outback	Well, just as long as it will do a better job that the OEM. It is funny, cause I read so many threads about people saying this and that about such and such filter when the OEM ones, which have been proven to be top notch, are completely ignored...its almost humorous.

12-02-2005, 06:42 AM	#12
tmeh Scooby Newbie Member#: 30800 Join Date: Dec 2002 Chapter/Region: E. Canada Location: Ontario Vehicle: 2000 .7 RS	which OEM filter are you guys referring to, the made in Canada one, the made in USA one, or the made in Japan one? the Canada one is the tiny one the USA one is the larger one, white the Japan one is black, comes with a greased gasket and is sealed i opened one of the made in USA ones and it had metal filings in the threads... very disturbing. i'm a big fan of the made in Japan ones, but they're $18CDN/each

12-02-2005, 10:23 AM	#13
hondaeater69 Scooby Guru Member#: 60324 Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: a pillow.	the japan OEM ones are teh best. I Just use bosch and chang'em every 4K.

12-02-2005, 11:22 AM	#14
shemoves Scooby Guru Member#: 80663 Join Date: Jan 2005 Chapter/Region: SWIC Location: Glendale, AZ Vehicle: 1997 Outback	ehh, I am unsure which ones I have...I bought them a while ago. They are small, black, and have a piece of protective plastic over the opening.

12-02-2005, 04:30 PM	#16
peterex Scooby Specialist Member#: 27021 Join Date: Oct 2002 Chapter/Region: MWSOC Location: IL Vehicle: 2010 WRX	I've been using the Wix/Napa Golds for a while now (p/n 1334), and I'm happy with them. They seem to be very well constructed. Do a search on the bobistheoilguy forums - these filters are well regarded by the oil geeks. Basically, they provide good filtration, but perhaps more importantly to some, excellent flow characteristics - something important during cold startups. There's a link to a web site in a thread there where you can buy the filters for <$5 each. Keep us posted on which of the larger than OEM filters fit.

12-02-2005, 05:49 PM	#17
shemoves Scooby Guru Member#: 80663 Join Date: Jan 2005 Chapter/Region: SWIC Location: Glendale, AZ Vehicle: 1997 Outback	I'm glad a bought a bunch of the 'old' ones a while back.

12-02-2005, 10:12 PM	#19
AzSandSlinger Scooby Specialist Member#: 32684 Join Date: Feb 2003 Chapter/Region: SWIC Location: Maricopa, AZ	IIRC, The "new" filters are made by Purolator, and the issue has been resolved.. It was a bad "batch" from what I remember.. I'm still a die-hard Puro fan and have had no issues with the "non-Subie" branded filters (aka the store-bought Puro's).. I absolutely refuse to pay ~$10/filter or more for a Tokyo Roki filter... I think I'd rather buy an OEM Honda filter (i.e. high grade Fram) before I'd buy an overpriced T-R.. I will post my findings as soon as it's time for my oil change (I have ~2k left on my normal 5k mile period). -Shane

04-12-2006, 06:58 AM	#21
digitalmethods Scooby Specialist Member#: 33734 Join Date: Mar 2003 Chapter/Region: NESIC Location: Worcester, MA Vehicle: 2002 used to be cool 02' Snow donkey FTL	I wanted to bump this thread and see what filter ended up working out better for you. I pm'd you as well.

04-13-2006, 12:33 PM	#22
avk Scooby Specialist Member#: 17252 Join Date: Apr 2002 Chapter/Region: Tri-State Location: NJ Vehicle: '06 WX8 59E	As long as this is getting bumped: FWIW, Purolator filter brand has been sold to Bosch and Mann, http://www.bosch-presse.de/TBWebDB/e...xt.cfm?id=2617.

04-13-2006, 03:00 PM	#23
digitalmethods Scooby Specialist Member#: 33734 Join Date: Mar 2003 Chapter/Region: NESIC Location: Worcester, MA Vehicle: 2002 used to be cool 02' Snow donkey FTL	Correct me if I'm wrong but the mfg. switched from wix to bosch? Is that what you are stating. I was going to use the Napa gold model so would that effect anything?

04-17-2006, 11:28 PM	#25
zuczek Scooby Specialist Member#: 64971 Join Date: Jun 2004 Chapter/Region: W. Canada Location: Calgary Vehicle: BP05	Are K&N oil filters any good? I heard that they don't meet the OEM standards for filtration thus better oil flow. Anyone uses them?