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Old 09-03-2001, 10:43 AM   #1
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Thumbs up latest legacy speculation

I had some time to kill on saturday so I stopped by my local Subaru dealership as I noticed they had about 8 WRXs sitting out. While I was there I chatted with my favorite sales man about how sales were going and his outlook on the future of Subaru. I asked him what the chances were of a B4 being released in the US since AUS just got one. He said that he asked SOA the same question last week at a dealer conference and the response was no B4, BUT that they realised the need for more power and were planning on placing a supercharger on the car. I asked if it was the same as the STX prototype supercharged motor and he said he didn't know. He also reconfimed the WRX STI release, which is no surprise to anyone. I asked when the expected release of this supercharged Legacy was and he said probably 2nd quarter of next year.
We continued to discuss other model changes among other brands as the dealership he works for carries Chevy as well. He said the Monte Carlo was going V8 rear wheel drive to appease the Nascar fans. Chrysler is backing away from the cab forward design and shifting some of it models to RWD as well. He generally stated that industry is continueing to follow the recent trend of more power and surprisingly putting the power to the rear wheels again. He even compared the new altima with >220hp (can't remember the exact figure) to the reason Subaru is adding more ponies to the Legacy. I then asked if they gave any inkling of expected power output of the Legacy and he said no.
I just thought that everyone might enjoy hearing the latest wisper in the rumor mill. Personally, if subaru could give me ~230-240hp stock on a Legacy, then I don't care what badge they stick on the door. Afterall, I'm going to change the whole suspension on the car anyways and as for the flashy silver and purple seats in the Aus B4, I'll pass. I told the salesman to let me know when they start taking orders and I will be the first to buy one, just give me my ponies!

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Old 09-03-2001, 12:59 PM   #2
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240hp for the altima , keep us posted on whats goin on in the future. i need more ponies, MORE I TELL YOU
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Old 09-03-2001, 01:04 PM   #3
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wow, EIGHT unsold wrx's? out here, you're lucky if they haven't sold the demonstrator too because they can't keep them on the dealer lots...!

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Old 09-03-2001, 02:43 PM   #4
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We've got several to choose from here in Oklahoma, as well. This isn't big Subaru country. (Maybe if they made a pickup!) The problem is, they're all automatic. Blah!!

I'd be surprised if they went supercharger. I'd believe a 2.5 turbo before I'd believe the S/C story. Either way, however they do it, more is better!

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Old 09-03-2001, 10:18 PM   #5
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Not me - the 2.0l turbo is an international package. They don't have a 2.5l turbo, but they DO have a nice 2.5l supercharged motor done by Special Vehicles, Inc, of Troy Michigan. This was originally done for the ST/X show vehicle, but the rumor mill keeps saying the SC will be released as a dealer-installable option. Pre-installed (factory, I guess, since L's are built in Indiana) would be just as nice...
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Old 09-03-2001, 11:27 PM   #6
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A sc would be better for around town torque lower in the pwerband for the heavier Legacys. They might give it a shot.
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Old 09-04-2001, 01:34 AM   #7
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Yeah, more ponies please. Nissan is doing a fine job a$$ kicking. Just saw the add for the 255hp Maxima. Altima is gonna have 240hp, then the Sentra Spec V will have 180hp...its insane. They are just gonna milk the VQ 3.5L engine thats is in the Maxima and in the ZX350. The ZX350 is gonna have around to 300hp. That same engine will be fanning out into the Infiniti's also. G20 is dead, there will be a G35, I35......Its insane the technology for these NA V6's now.

No matter how awesome the AWD in subaru's are, if they don't come close at least 20hp of these other imports, they will be losing the performance market...that is if they want to be in it.

Legacy needs to have a ~250hp option, Impreza needs to have a ~270hp option for performance models (or vice versa).

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Old 09-04-2001, 02:47 AM   #8
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I suspect we won't see a supercharged factory subaru, as the company in michigan went out of business waiting for subaru to decide the fate of the STX.
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Old 09-04-2001, 11:11 AM   #9
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Having seen the STX in person at SEMA 00', i can attest to the fact that it's genuine, and should be a very good engine.

Based on my impressions of this kind of supercharger in the past, it's going to make great torque and should still get good gas mileage. Emissions should also be a cakewalk.

These are what Americans want in a midsize car, and it's why Nissan was smart enough to detune their incredible V6 and put it in the Altima. Subaru would be wise to have the 2.5S in the Legacy.
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Old 09-04-2001, 11:56 AM   #10
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Does anyone know what kind of Supercharger they used in the STX prototype? I'm just trying to figure out if there will be an easy upgrade to what SOA will put out.

Honestly I would be happy if they beefed theEJ25 long block, tranny, and diffs to handle 350HP. Then let me built a turbo or supercharged setup for the car.

I heard really interesting news about a geared supercharger. This thing is similar to a Vortech look and literally has instant spool. The real benefits are its ability to continue to provide good boost at high RPMs. So you get the low end torque power of a supercharger and the high rpm power of a turbo. The company claims the power is so linear it feels like you added displacement to the engine. The unit itself cost around $1500 but would be a worthy upgrade if it would simply swap in to the existing hardware subaru would install.

I believe the company was called Rotrex.

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Still, I suspect the STX supercharged engine will be a disappointment due to the lack of a company to make it.
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Old 09-04-2001, 12:14 PM   #12
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Would I love a supercharged Legacy GT...well hell anything is better then nothing but what transmission are they going to put into it? I really dont see the 5spd being able to handle it. hmmm I do love reading these rumors. They are always new and different haha
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Old 09-04-2001, 02:28 PM   #13
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True-Who would love to see the STI 6-speed tough tranny in a S-Charged Legacy?


Me Me Me!!

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Old 09-04-2001, 02:49 PM   #14
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see now u are talking. I would tear the 5spd apart with a supercharger haha.... they atleast need some sort of upgrade or it wont last at all. The shift into second will get pretty rough fast
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Old 09-04-2001, 02:59 PM   #15
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Yeah, If SOA put the normal 5-spd in there it would be useless.

I think it was Giulo who has the top mount Rimmer Kit that has been totally redone. He was making 220-240 HP with a 5psi pulley with plans to upgrade to a seven with stock internalls. All I can say I hope SOA does it right and doesn't charge an arm and a leg for the thing. I can see them now introducing it in a Legacy GT-S Limited trim only for around $35,000. That would really suck. Needless to say if they kept all of the current features the same and merely changed the EJ25 to a built setup and added stronger tranny and diffs they could keep the price under $30k. Judging by how the H6 Outbacks progressed, a Supercharged Legacy that cost $30k or over wouldn't fit my budget anytime soon.

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Old 09-05-2001, 12:01 AM   #16
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I talked to a dealer this week about the future of the legacy and he told me to expect the H6. After several strings like this one, I am starting to resolve that most dealers are FOS and dont know what is going to be coming out beyond a new body style in afew years.
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Old 09-05-2001, 01:46 AM   #17
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If the potentially more powerful legacy with 240ish hp is going to be priced, it better be about the same price range as the Maxima - $21-27K, and max $30K. I don't think Legacies fall into the near luxury car range like Infinity I30 or I35 are in....so subaru would be unwise to do so.

I do not think subaru is into making large engines like nissan. I think they will keep the biggest engine as the 3.0. Turbo charging and supercharging is I believe the only route. I think they'll go turbo as they have the most experience with that method of forced induction.

Just and FYI - Audi S4 arch rival is the M3. When BMW had 240hp M3, Audi answered with 250hp S4. Now M3 is 333hp, what will Audi do? I like to see this one. I know that the S4 2.7tt has got mega amounts of hp potential - I think Audi will unleash some to keep up with Bmer. I think its cheaper for Audi to up the power on the turbo, than BMW to up the power in their NA 3.2L. Turbo's are the best. Then subaru's only hope is to bring the STI to open a can of woop on these boyz.....we'll see!

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Old 09-06-2001, 12:29 AM   #18
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Audi already has a car that will slay the M3s 330hp. It is the RS4. 340hp, all wheel drive and it only comes in A WAGON! You just gotta love Audi for making that car! Who sez wagons are slow family trucksters? Too bad they only sold it in Germany/Europe.

My guess and my money would go to SOA dropping in a modified H6 into the Legacy GT. Why not? Tune it to 230ish put on a sports exhaust, a true sport suspension, 17" wheels and sell it for 30k. R&D would cost NOTHING, all the parts are already available to SOA all they would have to do is bolt them together. Hell, don't even upgrade the H6 and at least offer it as an option.
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Old 09-06-2001, 01:38 AM   #19
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True, the RS4 in Europe is actually 380hp - I saw the clip on one of the British car programs. In a straight line, the RS4 wagon does 0-60 in 4.7sec - thats comparable to 4.6sec clocked by Motortrend. But as a true sports car, wagons cannot really beat the dynamics of a coupe or sedan.....but AWD wagon vs. 2WD coupe....humm, not sure.....maybe in everyday roads.

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Old 09-06-2001, 04:18 AM   #20
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I would like to see the Legacy return to a 2.2 turbo.

A detuned 22B motor mated to a 6-speed STI tranny would work quite well in that car.

I guess I'll keep dreaming.


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Old 09-06-2001, 09:52 AM   #21
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Thats an idea (EJ22-turbo)

But I just can't supress my curiosity in a Forced Induciton H6. I really feel that a much larger displacement engine belongs in the Legacy. I think this would really seperate the WRX's turbo 4-banger feel from the Legacy Forced Induction 6-Cylinder enough to feed to seperate marketing fields.

Droool- H6 Turboed or Supercharged.

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Old 09-06-2001, 11:57 AM   #22
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They can put an H6 in the Legacy sure...but I am gonna be real bitter when they tell me it only comes in an AUTOMATIC... That would defeat the fun right there
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Correct me if I am wrong here...
The 5 spd. Standard tranny in the WRX is pretty much the same as the Legacy 5 spd. but in the JDM that tranny is holding some 250ish hp. If SOA wanted to I dont understand why they couldnt modify the bell housing to mate up to the H6 drive shaft. What is the H6 rated at 215ish, crank it up to 220 for the GT and use that as a starting point.
IMO SOA has not done any work on mating the H6 to a manual because the cars that have the H6 in them would not sell with manuals (ie. Outback VDL and LL Beaners) and therefore SOA did not have any incentive to come up with a solution to the 5spd tranny question.
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that is very possible but I do remembe hearing a lil while ago that SOA had tried a 5spd on an h6 and it bascially just tore it apart. There is to much low end torque or something I remember it just couldnt handle it....
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STI 6-speed mated to H6. Yeah Everybody is happy and we can add 9psi of boost and produce 450HP. Oh yeah there goes everything that power is beeing transferred through.

Its pretty bad when the new sentra at $19000 has more torque (180) and more hp (180) than a 3300lb Legacy. They need to do something fast.

There are a lot of cool things that could possibly happen. There are also a few stupid things that could happen. 1 of them is Subaru hears our cryes and gives us an upgrade thats barely worth the extra cost. This unit doesn't sell and calls the Legacy upgrade a failure.

The H6 is great but they need to do something to seperate it from the Outback line. Something like a tuned up NA H6 at 250 HP and plenty of torque. That or a Forced Induction H6 at over 300 HP. That would blow the top off of many American Sedans that boast V6 power or detuned 8 cylinders.

That or do something totally different like a forced induction EJ25.

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