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Old 12-07-2005, 02:28 AM   #1
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Hey just wondering if anybody would like to share thier experiences w/ purchasing through the vendor Garage GT?

I did a search and nothing came up.

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Old 02-17-2006, 02:05 AM   #2
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Hello everyone, my name is Brad, i live in IL and decided couple months ago to get my car swapped by GT in CA. At the time GT did most swaps out of anyone, and I thought it would be worth for me to send my car down there and have it done by them.
Kevin, the owner of the shop, said that he has a guy that can ship my car, its also same guy that supplied STi motor/trans for my swap. Shipping the car there was pretty smooth, but once the car got to the shop, problems began to pile up. I was promised by Kevin himself that the swap would take no longer then 2 weeks(one week for all the work/one week to make sure everything is ok).
Well, it didn't. It took a lot longer then that, little over 2 moths(I was without the car for 3 months all together from around 07-25-2005 to 10-09-2005),
In the process the shipping guy was blaming kevin that its his fault and kevin was blaming shipping guy, saying that car is ready for 2 weeks and he doesn't want to pick it up, fun part is that I knew that kevin is still working on the car, as he told me later that he couldn't get cluster to work until last minute(week before car got shipped).
Car was shipped to me(shipping took only few days), I got the car with boost leak(fixed it same day), and leaking tranny(that was also fixed on 2 or 3rd day). The biggest problem was that car was going into limp mode almost every time I would go WOT in 2nd gear, kevin tried to help for a little while, then he just stopped answering my calls. I got most help from Paul @ East coast swappers.
Some other problems with the car:
-blown r160 diff that kevin got me(blew in a week)
-my 12v lighter thing doesn't work
-4&5 gear is grinding now
-needs STi gas tank, because car is cutting out in the corners(I was told about that by kevin after I received the car.
Kevin said that he will ship me the tank, if I pay $65 shipping fee. so I did in december....I haven't seen my gas tank yet
- I don't have a horn, nor wires to wire up the horn
Thanks for reading, now I know 2 more people that had similar problems with GT, too bad I didn't knew them before I decided to get that swap with GT.
-Brad

Edit. I forgot to add that he also sold me endless brake pads, that werent design for my brakes, after I found out(while putting a r180 diff) he stated that "they were modified to fit Your car"

PS. Sorry for some spelling mistakes etc. English is my second language, and I tried my best with this

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Old 02-17-2006, 02:17 AM   #3
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damn,and good luck.
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Old 02-17-2006, 02:26 AM   #4
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yea, this is the kind of service You get for spending almost $15000 with them...
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Old 02-17-2006, 02:40 AM   #5
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damn dude sorry to hear that,

off-topic but why'd you chose them?? isnt their a shop in IL?
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Old 02-17-2006, 01:18 PM   #6
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damn dude sorry to hear that,

off-topic but why'd you chose them?? isnt their a shop in IL?
There was no shop in the area that was experienced enough.
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Old 02-17-2006, 01:56 PM   #7
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Did you try looking at LIC Motorsports in Novato, CA? They have done JDM swaps before and they do really quality work. I have had them do two swaps for me.

Sorry to hear about that experience.

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Old 02-17-2006, 02:13 PM   #8
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That sucks, though it sounds like you are taking it in stride... What's your next step in dealing with them?
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Old 02-17-2006, 08:38 PM   #9
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Kevin's response from the same thread on RS25.com. I'm guessing the RS25 thread will be where most of the post's will take place.

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I'm not quite sure how to respond to this. I don't want to come off as trying to shift blame or make people look bad to save face. I guess all I can do is respond to points made and tell my side. Brad initially wanted the full STi swap, Brembos and all. Brad insisted on getting his (according to him) broken tranny back. He said he could break any tranny and would need it as a spare. We insisted that he couldn't damage it, but that the RS tranny would go back in the trunk. Looks like he was right though. (Brad was also bragging about being able to spin the tires in third gear.) When we got the car together, we noticed the seals at the CVs were bad and that the tranny leaked. We called Brad told him about the problem. The parts were ordered. We asked him if he wanted the parts installed here, or if he wanted to have them installed. He had grown impatient for his car (rightfully so) and said he'd take care of it. When we dropped off the car at the shipper's, because he refused to pick it up, we left a quart of tranny fluid in the car. Total time working on Brad's car was about two weeks.(this is working time, not waiting time) He conveniently forgets that hurricaines were screwing up the shipping industry when his car was delivered to us. Not only did this screw up the delivery of his car, but it also delayed the delivery of his parts. Speaking of parts, Brad later backed out on the brakes and rear diff. I had already purchased these and was forced to sit on $3000 of inventory for about 6 months. I never complained once. Brad was informed that the R160 diff was out of an older Subaru, but says I told him it was out of a WRX. While we were waiting for the shipper to pick up the car, Brad was growing impatient and was starting to believe that he had been lied to about why his car was delayed. Once we dropped of the car, it sat for another couple of weeks at the shipper's place. At the time, Brad expressed to me that he was starting to agree with me where the blame for the delays belonged. Once the car had been shipped, the shipper called to inform me that the car was a lot of fun. Great, joyrides in a car with a leaky tranny. Once Brad got his car, he called and asked if it was ok to drive the car with the tranny leaking. I said it was fine if he continued to top it off each time, but that he really should just have it fixed. He actually got the parts before the car. As far as the horn is concerned, Brad has an aftermarket steering wheel on his car. We have no need to remove the horn from the car or even the steering wheel when doing a swap. My guess is he never tested it and then thought it was our fault. 12v lighter thingy.. Who knows? Is there a new stereo in there? The stereo section was empty when we got the car. Brad won't answer that question for me. The gas tank was a guesture, not part of any deal. We are very busy and don't have a daily pickup from any shipping company. It's huge. I refunded Brad's shipping money moments after he requested it back. Brad has mentioned getting cel codes to me, but could never produce the digits. Once he was able to give me an actual code, he had a fix that day. I think Brad is an ok guy that started frustrated and grew to blind anger. Doing custom work on these cars is never a plug and play affair, especially when depending on other people. What can I say? I drove the car for two weeks straight waiting for the shipper to pick it up. It was just fine when we dropped it off....
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Old 02-18-2006, 03:24 AM   #11
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+1 for LIC motorsports for all swaps. I've seen alot of his swaps and they are super clean and have no problems. Adam is da man!!!!!
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Old 02-21-2006, 12:26 PM   #12
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Read the entire thread on RS25.com. Radzio abuses his car pretty good and Frakk posted links to him bragging about it....
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Old 02-22-2006, 07:07 PM   #13
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Radzio abuses his car pretty good and Frakk posted links to him bragging about it....
Umm nooo. the tranny was on its way out(when I bought the car = car was cheap costed me $5k) it happend couple days after I bought the car, I didnt care it was gonna get swapped anyway.
Anyway Im talking here about things that were like that when I received the car, not after I started driving it.
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This is all I read...
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blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah
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This is all I read...
whatever toaster all I read from You is blah blah blah, my car is teh **** blah blah my project is soooo expensive and better then anyones. Go hang out with Kevin a little more. Thanks.
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Old 02-28-2006, 06:08 PM   #17
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Read the entire thread on RS25.com. Radzio abuses his car pretty good and Frakk posted links to him bragging about it....
to kind of give you an idea on how his driving style...glad you mentioned that, and for your viewing pleasure

http://www.rs25.com/forums/showpost....81&postcount=1

granted pre-swap but it will give you an idea on his style of driving
http://www.rs25.com/forums/showpost....96&postcount=1

http://www.rs25.com/forums/showpost....8&postcount=13
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i'm sorry about your experience w/gt. i never had work done by kevin (mostly because i'm on the other side of the country) but if i ever had a question he was always very willing to help me, so i do give him props for that.

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Old 04-06-2006, 09:46 PM   #19
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+1 for gt my swap has been running flawlessly since oct 03? and no problems. kevins been there for EVERYONE with any type of questions.
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I just got a set of brakes from them.
They arrived basically when they said it would.
I dealt with both Kevin and David. Both are good guys.
I'm looking forward to doing business with them in the future.
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Wow, I stopped reading at "I was doing 115 on the highway today...." that is all I needed to read to know his driving style.

I've dealt with GT with trying to get a couple of parts for my 05 WRX for some aftermarket driving lights. Kevin's a bit slow in responding to PM's (by slow I mean a day or two...not 3 weeks), but he has answered me everytime (so far haha) and gave me a great price on what I need. I'll let you know how it turns out after I recieve the parts.
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if u wanna see a real hook up, ask him about prodrive parts/prices...he almost ALWAYS can beat anyone elses prices on prodrive.
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My Hell (sorry, it's kinda long )


Iím building an ej22t into a 2.35t capable of anything. I got the motor from a friend with a wrecked legacy turbo for two hundred and sixty bucks. That was everything, turbo, heads, block, pistonsÖ everything was immaculate. Cool. What do I do now? I decided to get the best stuff I can so I start looking onlineÖ fmic, injectors, fuel rails, methanol injectionÖ etcÖ

I figure I will an STi crank, STi rods and get some custom TechWorksEng (TWE) pistons (made by Wiseco). Along with the pistons from TWE I will get cams, valves, titanium valve springs, and titanium retainers so I can raise my redline and enjoy boost longer. I called them on March 3rd, told them my plans, and ordered everything. We started taking the car apart the following week and preparing it for itís new engine. During this time, I realized that I might need a new tranny to hold the power. So I send a pm to Garage Tuning to ask about a possible tranny that can support 300 whp. I was suggested a JDM WRX transmission as long as I donít beat on it too bad (I went for a year on the RS tranny while boosting 6-7 psiÖ I think I can handle it). I would also need a stronger clutch and flywheel so I order a ACT full face organic clutch and lightweight flywheel through them. I also ordered Subaru 4-pot front and 2-pot rear brakes, they were already attached to the tranny so I would just receive the axles, hubs, driveshaft, tranny, slave cylinder, everything. Alright! New motor, a stronger tranny, and new brakes. I was pumped. And this is the point where everything fell apart. I will tell you my story with each vendor separately.

Garage Tuning (GT)

So I ordered everything in the beginning of March and sent payment via paypal right away. They received it and I was excited. When I ordered everything I told them I would like to have the tranny by april 19th at the latest. This is over a month to get a tranny to my friends doorstep (Mike Wray, legacypgt was doing all the work). Kevin at GT assured me it would be there in time. I never heard from him until I sent him a pm a few weeks later asking if the tranny would still be there by april 19th. His response was, itís on the boat. HmmÖ on the boatÖ on the boatÖ FROM JAPAN?!?! Itís never going to arrive in time. He still assured me it would be there. Then a pm was sent with one week asking for an update. The boat is here, weíll ship it right away. Then a pm was sent the day before, he still assured it would be there. Well, april 19th passed by with nothing. From then on it was next week next week next week.

Eventually some time in June a tranny shows up at my friendís doorstep. He gives me a call and tells me that itís a tranny and a rear diff. Thatís it. No brakes, no clutch, no flywheel, no driveshaft, no axles, and no hubs. So I call up GT and tell him what Iím missing. Kevin apologizes but says there is some good news. He oversold his trannies and the one I have sitting in my friends garage isnít just a wrx tranny. Itís an RA tranny. But there is a catch. He wants me to use the stock clutch and flywheel that came with it and eat the cost of the ACT stuff. In my mind Iím thinkingÖ are you kidding me? He screwed up and Iím going to pay for it? No way! He didnít even call me and ask me if it was ok to do it before he shipped the wrong transmission. I think it would have been different if he called me up and asked if it would be okÖ but he didnít. Oh, and the clutch and flywheel have been on backorder for 3 months anyway, so I donít have that stuff yet either. And here is the other kicker. Another package arrived. It was a set of wrx brakes. I instantly called him up and told him he shipped the wrong thing. He insisted he was right, according to him, the price I paid was for just wrx brakes. I still had the pmís he sent me that included the price and everything included. So I just forwarded the messages back to him and he apologized. ButÖ he didnít have the brakes, so now I have to wait for the next shipment sometime in august before I get my brakes. So after all this, Iím still waiting on brakes and my clutch/flywheelÖ 3.5 months later.

TechWorksEng (TWE)

This is another wonderful story. As with GT I ordered everything at the beginning of March. I canít remember exactly who I talked to but he took my order and agreed everything would be at my friends place by April 19th. Now, I didnít really know this, but TWE hates to reply to e-mails. I kept sending them, but no responses were ever returned. So I had to call the majority of the time which is a pita because I donít have any written confirmation of when stuff will arrive. So I call and call and I keep getting the typical response that itís right here and weíre waiting until the pistons are done before we ship the stuff for the heads. Until one day I call and I get a different person. He tells me that the person I was talking to before was ďlet goĒ and he took horrible notes and we pretty much have to start all over with the order. He does know that I paid him though, which is good.

So that whole month or so that I was getting told everything was ok, wasnít. The order to Wiseco never went in and now everything is going to be late. I kept asking about the stuff for my heads and he said he would just ship them with the pistons when theyíre done. I wanted them earlier so we could build the heads and when the pistons arrived we could just throw everything together. He said he would ship everything right away. After a few weeks I called them up again, now I need to send in my old cams so they could be re-ground because they had no cores. We rip the cams out of the old heads and 2-day ship them up there (which isnít cheapÖ like 80 dollars or so). Now itís June, Iíve graduated from college and would like to have my car back. Finally I get news that the pistons are done and are shipped. I call up Mike and tell him to keep an eye out for a package. He never gets one. I get home from college and find them on my stairway (the place my parents usually put my mail and random stuff). Great. They shipped them to the wrong place. I also get news that the cams should be done soon. So I decided to head up to Minneapolis (where my car isÖ Iím from NW of Chicago) and hope to put the car together and get tuned before the rally out in Maine (second to last week of July).

My GF lives in Minneapolis so I have a place to stay and I can relax and hang out with her. So itís alright. I only expected to be up there two weeks at the most. Back to car stuff, I get a call from my Mom back home saying that she has a note about a package that is arriving at the house in two days, they want 80 dollars for her to pick it up, she said it was from some car company. Fantastic, I talked to TWE before and they said they would pay for the shipping of the head stuff and now they shipped it to the wrong place again and want her to pay? We didnít really have a choice, so she pays for it, then ships it up to Mikeís place. It arrives and he opens the box and only finds cams. No valves, no retainers, no springs. So I call up TWE and they apologize and say that they will ship everything out right away and I should send him an e-mail with the shipping address so he doesnít screw it up again. I also asked for a tracking number so I can figure out when to head over to my friends house and work on the car. A week goes by with no response, I send another e-mail and get one in return. They just shipped the stuff. So when I tell them on in a hurry and he says he has the stuff boxed up right next to him, it still takes them a week to get it shipped. Everything arrives July 11th and Mike starts building the heads.

Then the other day he gives me a call. ďWe have a serious problem, the pistons donít fit. Theyíre one mm too large.Ē Now I talked to TWE a while ago and had a discussion with them about how Iím not boring the block because itís nearly perfect and it doesnít need boring. But no, I get 98mm pistons when the block is 97. So Mike calls them up and they decided that theyíre going to pay Mike to take apart the block and reassemble it after boring. But I have to pay to have it bored. And thatís where I finally decided to write this huuuuge frickin review on the two vendors that I have been dealing with for the past three and a half months.

The good news, it looks like the car is going to finally be put back together this coming week using everything I have now. Although itís going to suck to put the good clutch and flywheel in later because that isnít exactly a cheap process. But at least Iíll have my car back.

What do you think?

Here is the build, everything is going into a 01 RS Coupe.

Block:
2.2t stroked to 2.35
STi Crank
STi Rods
TWE Pistons 9:1 CR

Heads:
01 SOHC from an RS
TWE Stg II cams
Titanium valve springs
Titanium retainers
stainless valves (oem size)
some mild pnp work

Misc:
Turbo- smaller t3/t4 (around a 50 trim from a minnam stg. 2 kit)
Ebay FMIC
Coolingmist Meth Injection
Aeromotive FPR
83lb fuel injectors (around 850cc's... I think)
Larger parallel fuel rails
2.5" catless exhaust (will probably move up to 3" sometime soon)
35mm tial external wastegate
greddy atmospheric bov
stock RS headers, ceramic coated and gasket matched
96 RA tranny
3-puck oem sti clutch with stock flywheel (unfortunately)


Cliff notes,

GT ships the wrong thing, late, wants me to eat the cost, and I still donít have half the stuff I ordered from them 3.5 months later.

TWE ships everything late, to the wrong place, and also sent the wrong pistons, but at least I have everything from them.
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Old 07-17-2006, 04:43 PM   #24
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imp2.5 - long story indeed! Hope you get the stuff from GT soon!

About the pistons though, 1mm = ~0.040"; the cylinder bores from factory are not necessarily "true" (or totally round). I would've rather bored the cylinders to fit with the piston then rather find out that the bore is out of round and wreck a set of new pistons. It'd suck if you had to dissasemble everything again just because you tried to "save" on boring the cylinders.

that's just my 0.02's.

Other then that, sounds like a nice build!
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imp2.5 - long story indeed! Hope you get the stuff from GT soon!

About the pistons though, 1mm = ~0.040"; the cylinder bores from factory are not necessarily "true" (or totally round). I would've rather bored the cylinders to fit with the piston then rather find out that the bore is out of round and wreck a set of new pistons. It'd suck if you had to dissasemble everything again just because you tried to "save" on boring the cylinders.

that's just my 0.02's.

Other then that, sounds like a nice build!
It's very true. I had my builder check the cylinder tolerances ahead of time to make sure they are still totally round and he said it would be alright running the stock size. But, it will always be better like you described, which is why it's not a huge deal boring the cylinders. I just really wanted my car to be done a long time ago. But it's a lesson learned
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