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Old 12-07-2005, 02:19 PM   #1
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Exclamation Please put Co-Drivers name back on WRC cars

Does any one know of a petition to get co-drivers names back on the WRC cars?
Or does any one know how to get one started?

After the co-driver died this year it made me think again about how disrespectful it is that the co-driver is not listed on the cars. I think it would be good to let the FIA and WRC know how important it is to the fans to see their name on there again.

I emailed Subaru about it and looked on the FIA site for an email contact but didn't see one. Here are the links to those two sites.

http://www.swrt.com/29938.html
http://www.fia.com/index_1024.html


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Old 12-07-2005, 03:59 PM   #2
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I believe a petition was started a few years ago when they first pulled the names off. It obviously didn't make a difference.

The FIA doesn't care about co-driver people.
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Old 12-07-2005, 04:05 PM   #3
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that's to bad. i wonder if it would make a difference now with the death of "beef"? do you know of a link to the old petition? i'll try and search it here.

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Old 12-07-2005, 04:07 PM   #4
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The FIA doesn't care about co-driver people.
...or anything that anyone else has to say.
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Old 12-07-2005, 04:11 PM   #5
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The only way this will happen is if the manufacturer teams ignore the directive and mount the co-driver names on the car, as originally done. I don't think they'll take a stand and do that. I would assume that the manufacturers and ISC made a joint decision to feature the driver's name more prominently.

My thinking is this - the driver knows how important you are. That's all that matters.

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Old 12-07-2005, 04:44 PM   #6
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The only way this will happen is if the manufacturer teams ignore the directive and mount the co-driver names on the car, as originally done. I don't think they'll take a stand and do that. I would assume that the manufacturers and ISC made a joint decision to feature the driver's name more prominently.

My thinking is this - the driver knows how important you are. That's all that matters.

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Monte Carlo 2004, I believe, was the first race to get rid of the names. A few teams (Subaru and Ford IIRC) had their co-driver names still on at the start of the race. They were told to take them off at first service, or face disqualification.

Peugeot had an interesting way around the issue, they put the co-driver name and flag just as big, but on the paint under the rear side window.
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Old 12-07-2005, 05:02 PM   #7
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Interesting. So maybe it was just a ISC directive. Perhaps having a stern discussion with David Richards will solve the problem.

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Old 12-07-2005, 05:08 PM   #8
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The drivers should take their names off untill the co-drivers are allowed back on. If names are not important to the FIA, why have any ???
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Old 12-07-2005, 05:24 PM   #9
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I think the motivation that ISC presented was that TV viewers had trouble differentiating two cars in the same livery and so didn't know if they were cheering for Atkinson or Solberg. Increasing the size of the typescript of the drivers' names apparently helped that. That's how the co-drivers got the short end of the stick.

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Old 12-07-2005, 05:30 PM   #10
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I think the motivation that ISC presented was that TV viewers had trouble differentiating two cars in the same livery and so didn't know if they were cheering for Atkinson or Solberg. Increasing the size of the typescript of the drivers' names apparently helped that. That's how the co-drivers got the short end of the stick.

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good info. they could just put the # of the car next to the drivers posistion so that people would become familiar with the # which is a lot easier to see from a distance or when a car is flying by you

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Old 12-07-2005, 07:24 PM   #11
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I think they should put the names back on. That way, it will remind the drivers who to blame when they screwup that "1 left tightens". heh
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Old 12-07-2005, 07:26 PM   #12
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The drivers should take their names off untill the co-drivers are allowed back on. If names are not important to the FIA, why have any ???
well said.
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Old 12-07-2005, 07:43 PM   #13
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thats bogus the driver and co-driver are a team and co-driver names should be on the cars. Why did they change it in the first place.
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Old 12-08-2005, 03:05 AM   #14
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thats bogus the driver and co-driver are a team and co-driver names should be on the cars. Why did they change it in the first place.
Because fans were getting confused as to who the driver was. Its pretty gay

I Like the fact that Puegot ran the co-drivers name just below the window on the paint, it was about the only way that they could get away with putting it on there
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Old 12-08-2005, 10:52 AM   #15
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If it was just a "driver confusion for fans" issue, then why not just paint the mirrors and trim a different color for each driver (kinda like the red and yellow trim on the silver Audi R8 that they use for the very same reason)? That's easier to spot than a name anyway.

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Old 12-08-2005, 10:56 AM   #16
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Because that would make too much sense.

How can television viewers get confused? The commentators almost always mention what driver is currently on-screen (or there is some sort of text that mentions who it is).
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Old 12-08-2005, 11:01 AM   #17
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+1 its not like more than one car is running at the same time on screen. This isnt NASCAR, they arent 3 across.

But i agree different paint jobs would be nice too. But really there are only 3 or 4 major people in each race that people care about. Not too hard to decifer a Peugot from a WRX from a Citroen from a Focus RS.
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Old 12-08-2005, 01:22 PM   #18
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All or nothing sounds the best so far.
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Wow - from what everybody is saying, I'm obviously remembering wrong, but I SWORE I saw a recent rally (within the last year IIRC) that I thought odd to see the driver's name on the driver's side of the car and co-driver's name on the co-driver side of the car.

:shrug: guess I be rememberin wrong? (wouldn't be the first time...)
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Wow - from what everybody is saying, I'm obviously remembering wrong, but I SWORE I saw a recent rally (within the last year IIRC) that I thought odd to see the driver's name on the driver's side of the car and co-driver's name on the co-driver side of the car.

:shrug: guess I be rememberin wrong? (wouldn't be the first time...)
Might not have been WRC. Its only an FIA regulation for the WRC. A lot of national championships still have co-driver names.

Or, you could have been looking at Gilles Panizzi and his co-driver/brother Herve Panizzi's car.
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The drivers should take their names off untill the co-drivers are allowed back on. If names are not important to the FIA, why have any ???
I like this idea...although a childish approach, I like it...kinda like going on strike
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Old 12-09-2005, 12:16 AM   #22
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Christian is right.

The WRC was trying to 'clean up' the cars to make them more recognizable. That meant smaller more compact event placards on the doors, uniform font/color/size of the number and the singular driver name. No doubt this was used to boost TV viewership in lessening confusion.

And yes, Ford and Subaru were bearing both names in Monte Carlo in 2004. They changed the names to Solberg only for the second day of competition. Subaru simply was unaware of the situation and the change in the rules!
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No, they well knew what they were doing. A team as professional as SWRT would know about any and all rule changes, no matter now small or seemingly insignificant.

They went out interpreting the rules to mean the drivers name had to be a certain size, but claimed the new regs made no mention of co-drivers names and they interpreted the rule to mean that co-drivers names were unrestricted. The FIA argued that no mention of the co-driver meant it shouldn't be on there at all, and threatened to disqualify the teams if they kept the co-drivers names on.
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I didn't say they didn't LOOK at the rules, of course, interpretation of the rules is another thing.

Here is a picture from the following rally, note the changed placement and the addition of the Driver/Codriver on the front fenders/door. Interestingly, you'll notice the Corona "crown" on the fender, prior to the sponsorship launch for the next rally, Mexico, 2004.

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I didn't say they didn't LOOK at the rules, of course, interpretation of the rules is another thing.
Exactly. It wasn't "simply because they were unaware" it was because they tried their best to fight for their co-drivers and tried to get clear on a technicality. Didn't work, unfortunately.
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