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Old 12-09-2005, 07:46 PM   #1
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Hey what's up guys I am researching whether I will get an older 2.5RS or wrx. They price differnt isn't that much, but I perfer older rs body style. I need one more thing to compare, which is the handling. WRX is newer and I believe the rigidity is better, but at the same time RS weight slightly ligther. I search but couldn't find an exact comparison. Can you guys enlighten me a little? Thanks in advance for your help and sorry for my n00bish question
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Old 12-09-2005, 07:58 PM   #2
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you're right about the wrx rigidity and the lighter GC, but the wrx has a viscious rear lsd, i believe the RS had an open diff?
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Old 12-09-2005, 08:01 PM   #3
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Yea, i have drivin a wrx but not a gc and the wrx feels so rigid its like a tank but it feels heavy at the same time. I don't personnaly like that feel although it feels VERY safe. I prefer the nimble feeling i get from my lancer, but would rather have a gc8 if it feels more nimble then the wrx. For me its about feel, not the actual performance.
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Old 12-09-2005, 08:20 PM   #4
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Yes that's correct. I drive a miata and handling for me is more important than Horse power. You can boost however you want as long as you have the money, but to dramtic increase the handling of the same car is not as easy as the hp goes
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Old 12-09-2005, 09:02 PM   #5
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00-01 RS's have a Viscous LSD in the rear
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Old 12-09-2005, 09:10 PM   #6
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GD is a much more solid car overall
definetely feels in driving, less flex, no door bangs! when you close them

but how can one resist this:

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Old 12-09-2005, 11:07 PM   #7
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!!!!! drooling.....
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Old 12-10-2005, 11:25 AM   #8
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I own one of each

Even though my WRX is a race car

I feel that the GC Chassis is more nimble.
More easily controlled... has a better feel.

I can FEEL the GC much better than the WRX

At times in the WRX, i feel disconnected, like I am not 100% certain where the car is
And what it's doing....

I have yet to have this feeling in the GC....

my GC


my WRX with 30point rollcage.
You'd think I would have a better feel for this car
but that is simply not true.




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Old 12-10-2005, 11:35 AM   #9
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Interesting.I want to know more.
Subie gal, why do you think the GC has more feel than your GD?
Thats kinda weird especially with the roll cage and the WRX supposedly being 2x more rigid. I would guess "feel" comes down to spring/shocks, bushing material, power steering, chassis rigidity, tires and i would think a rally car had all these upgraded.
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Old 12-10-2005, 12:16 PM   #10
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I've test driven 3 or 4 GCs and now own a WRX and would agree that the GC has slightly better handling than the WRX. Turn in feels more crisper and would agree that there is a more connected feeling with the car. I think the weight has a big part in this as well as what feels like a quicker steering ratio. Who knows, maybe the MOMO steering wheel and/or linkages is/are also isolating the road from you a little more than the cheaper GC steering wheel and steering linkages and bushings. Don't get me wrong, the WRX is a great driving machine, definitely more rigid, higher build quality, very responsive, and I would never get rid of mine, but the GC connects and communicates the road to you a little better.
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Old 12-10-2005, 12:54 PM   #11
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hmm, yea i guess weight could be the factor. So i am curious though, Why is the 2.5rs like 200-250 lbs lighter then the WRX? All that is extra, that i know of, is the turbo system so why so heavy? and the 22b was like 2850, what the hell did they do to get that weight?
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Old 12-10-2005, 01:12 PM   #12
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Well, I own a GF wagon, and I have driven a bugeye wagon (WRX).

I did like the quickness of the WRX (of course!) but I really wasn't so fond of how the body felt. But I think that might just be because I wasn't used to it.

as for something I am qualified to talk about... the GC looks better than the GD.
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Old 12-10-2005, 01:28 PM   #13
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....Who knows, maybe the MOMO steering wheel and/or linkages is/are also isolating the road from you a little more than the cheaper GC steering wheel and steering linkages and bushings.
both of my cars are fit with the same Sparco 350mm steering wheel
so I know that's not it....


the GC about 600-800lbs lighter than the WRX = better feel??

and the WRX has "extra chassis bracing"
- which i think actually disconnects you from the feel of the road

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Old 12-10-2005, 01:33 PM   #14
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wow, didnt know the GC was that light.... wrx is 3085..so taht makes GC 2200-2400 lbs?
am i missing something here? Cuz i know Jamie knows butloads more then me
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Old 12-10-2005, 01:37 PM   #15
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The GC/GM/GF chassis just feels more nimble,connected and tossable than a GD/GG chassis.

Weight is the biggest difference I think.
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Old 12-10-2005, 02:01 PM   #16
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well yah my WRX Wagon has a 250-300lb roll cage in it
therein lies my personal comparison

My Wagon weighs in at around 3400lbs


the OEM 2002 WRX Sedan has a 3075lb curb weight - Wagon 3155

whereas the GC is more around 2790

signifigant difference tho none-the-less

not sure if it is the weight, or chassis design
but the GC is still the most drivable Subaru i've ever driven.

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Old 12-10-2005, 03:00 PM   #17
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Yea, i have drivin a wrx but not a gc and the wrx feels so rigid its like a tank but it feels heavy at the same time. I don't personnaly like that feel although it feels VERY safe. I prefer the nimble feeling i get from my lancer, but would rather have a gc8 if it feels more nimble then the wrx. For me its about feel, not the actual performance.

YES! So i'm goin with a GC for sure now! Anyone in the NW want an Automatic wrx for your 5 speed GC plus cash?
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Old 12-10-2005, 08:53 PM   #18
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Thank you guys.......After reading u guys posts I think I am more lean to the GC.
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Old 12-10-2005, 08:59 PM   #19
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Thank you guys.......After reading u guys posts I think I am more lean to the GC.
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Old 12-12-2005, 04:40 AM   #20
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Old 12-12-2005, 09:57 AM   #21
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but the wrx has a viscious rear lsd, i believe the RS had an open diff?
He's talking about handling.. a viscous rear LSD doesn't have any effect on the handling.
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Old 12-12-2005, 10:11 AM   #22
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I know in terms of feel the cars are different, but what about in terms of a skidpad number? Given the same wheels + tires, I would think the WRX would be higher.

No personal experience, I've never driven a GC. They are nice looking, just a bit boxy for my tastes.
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I know in terms of feel the cars are different, but what about in terms of a skidpad number? Given the same wheels + tires, I would think the WRX would be higher.

No personal experience, I've never driven a GC. They are nice looking, just a bit boxy for my tastes.
Well, if you're talking about the stock suspension, I'd give the nod to the GC. While people complain about the tiny rear swaybar on the '98-'01 2.5RS, it has better weight balance (front to rear) and stiffer rear spring rates (in relation to the fronts). The GD is much more nose-heavy and the mushy rear spring rates mean a lot more understeer at the limit.

Once you start modding suspensions.. it all becomes a bit of a wash. I'd prefer the GC simply because of it's lower weight, given the same wheels & tires.
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