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Old 12-14-2005, 01:56 PM   #1
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we gone


that is all .... feel free to discuss
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Old 12-14-2005, 01:57 PM   #2
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eh, so we're back to 1999 again...yay.
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Old 12-14-2005, 01:58 PM   #3
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F1 races now have a 50%> chance of running in their entirety
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Old 12-14-2005, 01:59 PM   #4
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Man, everyone in the FIA is dropping like rogue's pants at a circle-jerk.
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Old 12-14-2005, 02:00 PM   #5
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I am all for one tire mfg in F1.
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Old 12-14-2005, 02:01 PM   #6
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The Tyre Rack!

http://www.tyrerack.com/

Buy it up Luke and sell to the strange people in the foreign lands...
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Old 12-14-2005, 02:04 PM   #7
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after 2006 season....
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Old 12-14-2005, 02:07 PM   #8
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eh, so we're back to 1999 again...yay.
99-2000 yea.

It isn't like this is a surprising notice. They said they would be out if it went to one manufactuer, it has for 08, so they're out.

And again, the tire issue was not Michelin's fault, it was Toyota's. They ran the tires with too little air pressure so in turn 13 the tire's sidewall hit the rear wing endplate and sorta exploded. The other teams could have run but they decided not to.
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Old 12-14-2005, 02:14 PM   #9
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And again, the tire issue was not Michelin's fault, it was Toyota's. They ran the tires with too little air pressure so in turn 13 the tire's sidewall hit the rear wing endplate and sorta exploded. The other teams could have run but they decided not to.

well, that is atleast a unique way to look at it .... but, do you really think teams would not run if they could have after the investment they put into coming over here and testing and chasing the championship .......


oh, and tires deflect at the bottom when cornering not the top near the wing
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Old 12-14-2005, 02:20 PM   #10
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oh, and tires deflect at the bottom when cornering not the top near the wing
What about the diffuser? Could a tire deflect enough to impact that?
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Old 12-14-2005, 02:23 PM   #11
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Did I read that correctly? Michelin supports competition among tire manufacturers in F1? How novel.
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Old 12-14-2005, 02:29 PM   #12
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well, that is atleast a unique way to look at it .... but, do you really think teams would not run if they could have after the investment they put into coming over here and testing and chasing the championship .......


oh, and tires deflect at the bottom when cornering not the top near the wing
Its not a unique way of looking at it, its what happened. They didn't run because they had a political reason not too. At the Turkish GP Williams had 5 separate right rear tire failures. At the time it looked like another issue with Michelin tires. Williams admitted it was a setup issue to do with the rubbing I described. Later it came out that the Toyota's at Indy had a similar issue, and the other teams could have run if they had wanted to.
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Old 12-14-2005, 02:30 PM   #13
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What about the diffuser? Could a tire deflect enough to impact that?
The diffuser is too far away from the tires to hit it.
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Old 12-14-2005, 02:34 PM   #14
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The diffuser is too far away from the tires to hit it.
Figures.
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any facts or links to back up those statements ... I haven't seen any info stating that cause and I have seen alot of stuff

and politics would not stop Fernado Alonzo from trying to win a race .... and what about Michelin requesting a track change to slow down the cars so, their tires wouldn't explode
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Old 12-14-2005, 02:38 PM   #16
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Figures.
In previous years it would have been, but in 05 they moved it far away to keep it from being as effective.
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Old 12-14-2005, 02:52 PM   #17
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any facts or links to back up those statements ... I haven't seen any info stating that cause and I have seen alot of stuff
http://www.f1racing.net/en/news.php?newsID=95878
Notice of their 5 failures

http://www.f1racing.net/en/news.php?newsID=95971
One explanation for the tire failures...not the tires fault

http://www.f1racing.net/en/news.php?newsID=96031
Michelin isn't to blame

http://www.f1racing.net/en/news.php?newsID=96178
Williams stating the tires CAN hit the bodywork

http://www.f1racing.net/en/news.php?newsID=96334
More tire defliction testing

I can't find the exact cause, it was discussed in before the Italian GP, and Michelin admitted the tyre problems in Indy were a similar issue.
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Old 12-14-2005, 03:01 PM   #18
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any facts or links to back up those statements ... I haven't seen any info stating that cause and I have seen alot of stuff

and politics would not stop Fernado Alonzo from trying to win a race .... and what about Michelin requesting a track change to slow down the cars so, their tires wouldn't explode
Michelin did not know the tire problems were not their fault, but was a setup issue at that point. They took the blow for the teams because they had to as a company. Obviously someone as educated as you does not know the full history of events, so if Michelin said "oh, it wasn't us" and didn't do what they have done, it would look even more poorly then before.

The drivers are required not to run if the team tells them it is not safe. The teams are required in Indiana to not allow the drivers to race if they know their is a specific safety issue. If they did, they would have been guilty of a specific crime in the state. This is the reason the teams were not found guilty of the crimes the FIA brought against them.
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Old 12-14-2005, 03:07 PM   #19
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CN - tire war declared. France surrenders.
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Actually it's the drivers call on running or not running .... the tires were at fault! ... even in all of your links it doesn't say the tires were hitting the body in the Indy incident ... why do you think Michelin overnight aired tires in in hopes of a favorable ruling from FIA .... as far as charges filed on the drivers ... what crimes ???

and Indiana state law has nothing to do with racing or not racing .... as racing is inherently dangerous and accidents do happen ...

so, IMHO your protection of Michelin is purely emotional and based on conjecture and assumptions and not based on fact

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Old 12-14-2005, 03:24 PM   #21
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Ferrari couldn't handle having other teams actually winning.

ekw......good stuff man.


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Old 12-14-2005, 03:27 PM   #22
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Haha, okay, whatever, its obvious you aren't reading it. I'm not defending Michelin based on emotion, I'm basing them on facts.

The charges weren't filed against the drivers, they were filed against the teams, but were cleared on july 14th of any wrong doing. The law you're stating had nothing to do with it is the reason the teams weren't found guilty.

The tyres Michelin overnighted had the same exact problem the other tyres had, because it was not the tyres problem, it was the teams.

And the drivers do not have the final say on driving or not. Did you not hear Coultard PLEADING with his team to let him run? If he had been able to he would have run, but he could not.
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finnRex - thanks. i couldn't help myself.
i now return you to your regularly scheduled argument.
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CN - tire war declared. France surrenders.
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