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View Poll Results: Which equal-length headers would you prefer?
TWE (TechWorks Engineering - www.techworkseng.com) 30 38.46%
Cobb (Cobb Tuning - www.cobbtuning.com) 10 12.82%
RalliTek (www.rallitek.com) 13 16.67%
OBX 20 25.64%
Other equal-length (i.e. Fujitsubo) 0 0%
Unequal length! Keep the rumble! 14 17.95%
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Old 12-20-2005, 08:33 AM   #1
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Question It had to happen: Rallitek vs. TWE vs. Cobb vs. OBX equal-length headers?

Hey guys.

Well, I think I (or someone else, I forget) started a TWE vs. Cobb thread several months ago, but IIRC the TWE headers were still largely seen as the better product. Higher quality welds and construction, even though still at a higher cost than the Cobb product. You get what you pay for, as they say.

That adage in check, however, Rallitek apparently has some new EL headers:

http://www.rallitek.com/products.asp?ID=792&PP=Y



They're $600, versus TWE's price of $975 for the 4-to-1 unit. These are also stainless steel, and seem to even fit the pre-2002 cars. Which makes old guys like me happy.


Probably too new for any reviews, but are there any facts and/or opinions on quality between the current equal-length offerings? OBX is even in the mix too, with the headers I think they sell on eBay for only a few hundred bucks (thread: http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=860586 ).

So let's hear it.

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(EDIT: Also posted - http://www.rs25.com/forums/showthread.php?t=39800 )

(EDIT #2: 1/17/06 - Got some info from RalliTEK on their headers vs. OBX's, same goes for the new catback units they have... Check my post on page 3.)
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Old 12-20-2005, 08:44 AM   #2
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im gonna be buying the obx header from ebay! yay!
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Old 12-20-2005, 09:02 AM   #3
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I'd knock 'em off like this:
NOT COBB because their headers are not SS, and our winter streets are salt baths, and besides, they haven't shipped me much that I've ordered, anyway.
NOT OBX because, as this is my daily driver, if you get "75% of the power [gains] for 50% of the price", I'm getting all the power I can for the return on the increase in noise.
This leaves TWE and Rallitek, and I'd choose between them by whether they had an application for my BH and their price, all other things being the same.
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Old 12-20-2005, 09:21 AM   #4
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Yeah, I do hear a lot about Cobb, insofar as customer service issues. Having no experience with them really, I'd chalk it up personally to them being a tuner shop, with not enough dedicated personnel on the sales end. They market and rebrand well enough, but apparently there's other loopholes...

But that's for another topic. TWE seems to out-do themselves with quality, so they'd be choice #1 for me too....

Rallitek's in the game now though, so I need the info! [/Dr._Evil]

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Old 12-20-2005, 09:26 AM   #5
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In the near future I plan on getting the TWE header as long as it clears an aftermarket fron sway bar.

Other than that I'd choose OBX then rallitek. The 1st gen. rallitek's are copies of OBX's header. According to some posts they made they're improving on it's design so keep a look out if you're interested.

I'm not at all interested in cobb's due to their mild steel construction.
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Old 12-20-2005, 09:28 AM   #6
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Other than that I'd choose OBX then rallitek. The 1st gen. rallitek's are copies of OBX's header.
I didn't even know there was a gen.1. Shows what I know.

Then again, I haven't prodded around the power mods. scene much, so far. I'm really just getting started.... Car's over five years old and I just got the WRX axleback and Stromung midpipe installed this summer!

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Old 12-20-2005, 09:28 AM   #7
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Did Rallitek not post a while back saying their header was a knock off of the OBX.... so a knock off of a knock off? Is it really going to be worth forking over twice as much money to have a Rallitek instead of the OBX? Will they really do very much to the header to improve them?
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Old 12-20-2005, 09:30 AM   #8
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Well is it a rebadged OBX? Or just the same design, but made by Rallitek?

I hear OBX makes decent exhaust products, but maybe the low price tag is somewhat indicative of quality....?...
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I didn't even know there was a gen.1. Shows what I know.
That's what's out there now, they're in the process of improving it. When the newer version is released I'm sure there'll be several posts about here and eslewhere.

Why didn't you include the EL header from Lachute Subaru?
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Old 12-20-2005, 09:33 AM   #10
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Well is it a rebadged OBX? Or just the same design, but made by Rallitek?

I hear OBX makes decent exhaust products, but maybe the low price tag is somewhat indicative of quality....?...
Here is what Rallitek said about them in this thread.

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Yes, this is a direct copy of the OBX. However, the 10 that we have in stock are prototypes. We have these 10 as a "base" to make changes to, to ensure that they will fit properly and perform as expected. We have already discovered many flawed areas in which we plan to change and improve (ie: bung locations, installing high-flow cats, additional bracing to prevent shipping warpage, etc.). The picture that is posted on the www.rallitek.com website is the prototype so you can at least see a generalized idea of what they will look like. I can also confirm that these RalliTEK headers will fit automatic transmissions. As we get more information we will be sure to fill you in.
So you tell me...
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Old 12-20-2005, 09:37 AM   #11
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So it's a re-engineered version. That's fine, it basically makes it a whole new product, since it isn't just rebadged. So the poll option is still valid, IMO.


BlkTS02,
Didn't know there was one. Just hit the "other" radio button on the poll, I guess. I knew about Fujitsubo's headers (very expensive), and the others I mentioned, but.... that's it.
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Old 12-20-2005, 09:40 AM   #12
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http://rallitekforums.com/forums/sho...5&page=2&pp=10

more pictures if you are logged in. Looks nice to me.

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BlkTS02,
Didn't know there was one. Just hit the "other" radio button on the poll, I guess. I knew about Fujitsubo's headers (very expensive), and the others I mentioned, but.... that's it.

I couldn't find any info on their page. But IIRC it was a full kit of SS header, hi flow cat, gaskets and header wrap. They guaranteed that you wouldn't have a CEL. Price was somewhere around $1200 (I'm not sure if that was CAD or USD)
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Old 12-20-2005, 09:54 AM   #14
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Expensive, but considering what's included, maybe not so bad after all huh?
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Fujitsubo header
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Old 12-20-2005, 09:59 AM   #16
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http://rallitekforums.com/forums/sho...5&page=2&pp=10

more pictures if you are logged in. Looks nice to me.

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Yep it does. Here's one of the photos from that thread:

http://rallitekforums.com/forums/att...tid=1744&stc=1
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I couldn't find any info on their page. But IIRC it was a full kit of SS header, hi flow cat, gaskets and header wrap. They guaranteed that you wouldn't have a CEL. Price was somewhere around $1200 (I'm not sure if that was CAD or USD)
I mailed them asking about 6months(maybe a year actually?) back, and they said it wasn't available yet. Also, looks like a real oil pan cooker the way those pipes are routed.
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Old 12-20-2005, 11:31 AM   #18
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Also, as to which is better- I bought a used uncoated cobb w/ HFC for $450. The fit on my 00rs is perfect, the welds looked great. For a ~2yr old set, they just a hint of surface rust, at best. Now granted I'm in CA, so I wasn't concerned about the coating.
why not OBX? Theirs only had a mini-resonator pipe, and the o2 sensor mount locations were wrong, so I would have had to take it somewhere to get a hfc welded in. I'm impatient, and haven't had much luck with muffler shops in the past, so thats that. The quality of the OBX welds seems fine, and they're stainless. If it wasn't for the cat issues, I'd have bought it.
The TWE is too much money, when you factor in the random tech cat section. Best I could find for a used header + cat was ~800.

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Old 12-20-2005, 11:34 AM   #19
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I like the look of the RalliTEK...
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There were several manufacturers with this style header at SEMA. We saw different levels of quality on the same design. Some had better welds, different flanges or collectors, but all the same basic design. We picked the best ones, and have made several improvements to the overall fit to ensure RalliTEK quality.

RalliTEK carries Borla, and TWE as well as our own header. I will have dyno comparisons very soon. I know Borla does not make much power, the contest here is TWE. Their hand built header has the nicest collector...

We have installed Cobb, Borla, TWE, and our own header. I can say our header has the best fit and clearance. We have gone to great lengths to ensure exact fit on each unit. Our header has rear O2 sensor locations for both the older cars and the newer models, plus a 3rd port for WB O2 sensor. We are providing a warranty with our units too. Lifetime against defects.

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Thanks for the reply, Sean.

Any further comments on the differences between this and the OBX? The big question people will be wondering is, "Why pay more for Rallitek if it's an OBX?"

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OBX = wrong O2 sensor placement, Poor fit at the engine, no warranty....

Who carries OBX?? Just EBay.....

You get what you pay for.....

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I'd read about possible O2 fitment issues, but what engine fit problems exist?

Trust me, I'm not knocking you guys, just getting all the facts. If a vendor says they're copying a design, then charging nearly double for it, one has to ask questions.

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brullen...too bad they dont make em anymore.

oh well..i gots me a set
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OBX = wrong O2 sensor placement, Poor fit at the engine, no warranty....

Who carries OBX?? Just EBay.....

You get what you pay for.....

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