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Old 12-22-2005, 01:47 AM   #1
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Default What FSAE teams do we have represented in the mid-a

I know we have one ODU team member and at least 2 VT FSAE guys. Who else?
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Old 12-22-2005, 08:12 AM   #2
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I was on VT FSAE from 02-04' and still help out when need be.
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Old 12-22-2005, 11:47 AM   #3
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I know a bunch of guys on FSAE @ VT.
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Old 12-22-2005, 12:12 PM   #4
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wt f is fsae?
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Old 12-22-2005, 12:39 PM   #5
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Fsae 2005 @ VT

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Old 12-22-2005, 02:06 PM   #6
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I was with PSU for a bit.. ran out of time to do things.. never got around to do the fun stuff.
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Old 12-22-2005, 05:17 PM   #7
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I'm the ODU guy...controls/ergo team leader = nightmare with this years frame
also do aero and general help with everything else...
also the video guy and driver

how many guys would be up for having a little mid atlantic FSAE auto-x weekend?...I know UMD had been trying to get one together and we are too...going to see if NCstate, Duke, VT, UMD, ECU, and VCU (I think they are doing a 2 year car) would be willing to meet up for one.
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Old 12-22-2005, 07:14 PM   #8
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Good luck getting VT's team out for an autox, they won't even come to a local autox event
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Old 12-22-2005, 07:38 PM   #9
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Lehigh here!!!

299 lbs (with fuel)!!!
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Old 12-22-2005, 07:39 PM   #10
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Here's my point of view as a previous suspension team leader and being in charge of testing and tuning of the car...

The reason why VT usually never comes out to an autox is that we can be more efficient with troubleshooting and getting hours on the car when we do private driving sessions. Granted, once we have the car sorted out and the drivers selected, it would be better to have the drivers drive on a legit autox course.

Anyways, yeah I would love to have an FSAE autox. I know there are some that in the wdcr and brr. I do wdcr events sometimes but susq. is my home region.
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Old 12-22-2005, 08:00 PM   #11
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I agree for testing and getting the car sorted...our 3 local auto-x groups help us beyond there knowing...they allow us to help them set up on saturdays and get a full day or testing/tuning in...then we come and play with them the next day...

I'm not sure where we are trying to set it up...our local auto-x locations are our only strong connections...not sure how much our partnership with VIR could help out at having it there...
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Old 12-22-2005, 08:16 PM   #12
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Old 12-22-2005, 09:05 PM   #13
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I wish Langley would let me use there CFD to test run my brakes...I'm envious
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Old 12-22-2005, 09:25 PM   #14
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I wish Langley would let me use there CFD to test run my brakes...I'm envious
Did you make calipers this year? If not, what are you running?
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Old 12-22-2005, 09:49 PM   #15
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all those damn girls at the school and those were the cutest that you could get for a photo opp?
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Old 12-22-2005, 10:46 PM   #16
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WOW!!! M has one low member number.
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Old 12-22-2005, 10:53 PM   #17
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Did you make calipers this year? If not, what are you running?
I wish...we just got a crappy CNC mill that we don't have access to...so I designed the system using wilwood dynalites...I had the numbers on the caliper I wanted to run...but no way to make it (on our budget at least)
so just sticking with those on some floating rotors...of my design...were as before our entire brake system has been store bought (minus pedal assmebly and lines of course).
we just ran our pressure numbers on our undertray venturis...doing some more designs and testing later on, over break...I got there and poked several holes in our aero teams designs...just waiting for more scale tunnel time...
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Old 12-22-2005, 10:54 PM   #18
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all those damn girls at the school and those were the cutest that you could get for a photo opp?
we have several friends who are hot hooters girls who we are going to try and be our ODU girls...keeping fingers crossed
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Old 12-23-2005, 04:38 PM   #19
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yeah i've been here since before the wrx came out...
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Old 12-23-2005, 10:40 PM   #20
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I wish...we just got a crappy CNC mill that we don't have access to...so I designed the system using wilwood dynalites...I had the numbers on the caliper I wanted to run...but no way to make it (on our budget at least)
so just sticking with those on some floating rotors...of my design...were as before our entire brake system has been store bought (minus pedal assmebly and lines of course).
we just ran our pressure numbers on our undertray venturis...doing some more designs and testing later on, over break...I got there and poked several holes in our aero teams designs...just waiting for more scale tunnel time...
I'm undecided on aero yet. The first two years that I went, the course was ungodly slow, 1st and 2nd gear, just a 10 foot wide maze. I was so disappointed. Because of this, we dropped our normal 600cc/ 450 lb. car and make a 299lb (yes thats right, the lightest in the world, by a lot, and yes it broke ), solid axle, single cylinder car. It was running comparable times to our 125cc shifter on tight courses. So we show up, and wouldn't you know it, the autox course was HUGE AND FAST again. We couldn't win. If they stay fast, aero all the way, but there were a number of years in there where it was a waste.

Now Lehigh is making 55+ hp on the single, a ton of torque, and it weighs practically nothing. I'd expect a lot more teams to start running singles, especially now that some teams have made 65-70 hp with them. Last year, a single won acceleration.

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Old 12-23-2005, 11:59 PM   #21
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im hoping to join the VT FSAE team next fall...but im lame so who knows?

im in aerospace engineering.


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Old 12-24-2005, 01:15 AM   #22
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VT FSAE is very difficult to join.

Aero packages are usually dead weight.

I never trust the dyno numbers because there are so many rediculous claims. In the end the single's seem to be gaining popularity though.

The lehigh car last year was pretty interesting, although a 1300ft-lbs/deg torsional stiffness number was weak for a carbon tub. Especially with those shirts they wore.
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Aero packages are usually dead weight.

I never trust the dyno numbers because there are so many rediculous claims. In the end the single's seem to be gaining popularity though.

The lehigh car last year was pretty interesting, although a 1300ft-lbs/deg torsional stiffness number was weak for a carbon tub. Especially with those shirts they wore.
Hahaha, I didn't see them last year. I'm a couple of years out. That was their first carbon car. They've gotten access to a CNC router this year, so hopefully this chassis should be much better (and the motor is stronger). That car was heavier than the tube frame/solid year we built. I think an independent rear, with a spool, and a single will really be tough to beat when the motors start getting developed. Then again, why run a spool when some of the new ATV diffs are 8 lbs, instead of the heavy Audi units everyone used to use. I must say though, the level of cars gets better and better every year.

Any of you guys doing a sprotor (sprocket/rotor combo). Another way to shave some weight....

Thing about singles....

Back in the day, when you could run 2-strokes, UTA and everyone else ran 250 2-stroke singles....they were quite fast and light (19k rpms!!!!). When the 4-stroke rule came in, there really weren't any high power 4 stroke/e-start singles out there. Pretty much none actually. Now that ATV's are going e-start and 4-stroke, as that technology comes along, I'd expect to see more and more. If 250 2-strokes were the ticket in the past, its seems likely that now that there are equiv. 4-strokes, they'll be the ticket in the future. Problem is, a good running 600 costs what $1,000. Where you can't get a 4-stroke, for less than $3-4k.

I mean, back in only say 2000, the only viable single was a Cannondale motor, and good luck finding one. My prediction in 10 years.... Turbo singles, CVT's, and 340 lbs tube frames.

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Old 12-25-2005, 01:40 AM   #24
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next year we are looking at a 2 cylinder 4 stroke turbo'd and hoping they do follow through with the new throttlebody/restrictor rule...we are going for lightweight next year...hoping we will be allowed to use ODU/Langley's CNC router and there CFD lab

oh and merry christmas

I for one, being the controls/ergo/brakes guy on the team won't be doing a sprotor...I'm not a fan of oily brake pads
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next year we are looking at a 2 cylinder 4 stroke turbo'd and hoping they do follow through with the new throttlebody/restrictor rule...we are going for lightweight next year...hoping we will be allowed to use ODU/Langley's CNC router and there CFD lab

oh and merry christmas

I for one, being the controls/ergo/brakes guy on the team won't be doing a sprotor...I'm not a fan of oily brake pads
Yeah, they tend to work great for a few laps... Thats what freshmen are for...get cleaning....

Inline two? Or a v-twin (hard to package). Theres a kart motor, called a Biland SA250. Its 250cc inline twin, e-start, weighs 30-40 lbs. We've been playing with it w/a turbo on a shifter kart. Problem is, no tranny, so you need a CVT. We'll see if it goes anywhere...

Whats your shifting set-up. We went with paddles/air for a little. Then we did the lever (with the clutch built in). Whats everyone doing these days?
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