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Old 09-10-2001, 04:08 PM   #1
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I'll be installing a CUSCO adjustable rear sway bar on my WRX some time this week. What thickness would you recommend set?

Aside from going to an empty parking lot to learn about the new dynamics, what else can you recommend that I do to keep myself and my car intact, and free from harm. I will be going to the Subaru Perfomance Driving Clinic (as seen in the SoCal forum) within a couple weeks and I know I'll learn a lot there, but can you give any advice to keep me intact until then?

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Old 09-11-2001, 12:20 AM   #2
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Paul, do you have documentation on the install process for the sway bar? I've got mine, but the docs are all in japanese!
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Old 09-11-2001, 12:49 AM   #3
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Someone posted this link a couple days ago...it looks like it should be helpful. Goodluck...

http://www.northursalia.com/m.../rearsway.html
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Old 09-11-2001, 03:03 AM   #4
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without having better tires i would not go much past 22mm if that is a setting for the WRX...i really haven't looked but don't go to much past stock. and upgrade your tires ASAP if you have not already.

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Old 09-12-2001, 02:14 AM   #5
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Thanks, thats a great link (to a great site).. I just noticed something about the cusco sway bar I got, since you have yours in hand.. is it like, off kilter ? the ends on mine are pointing in different directions and it looks positively odd.. (see below).. just wondering if this is normal..




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Old 09-12-2001, 02:24 AM   #6
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Hmm, that does seem kind of weird. I'm still waiting for mine to arrive (it should be here tomorrow). I'll let you know if mine is twisted like that as well. Who did you buy it from? Was it packed up nicely?

Like I said, I'll let you know if yours is tweeked once I receive mine.

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Old 09-12-2001, 10:11 AM   #7
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Yes, the ends point in slightly different directions, as do the ends on the stock bar; there's nothing wrong w/ what you got.

I installed mine yesterday evening, in about 20 minutes. The instructions posted earlier in this thread were right-on. Did find one minor trick- a pair of channel-lock pliers worked nicely to pull the ends of the bushing brackets down close enough to start the bolt easily.

What was even more fun was going out for the test drive!!
Set the bar at the 22mm setting (the softest- the hole nearest the end). Along w/ the bar, put on a set of 17 x 7 rims and Bridgestone PP S-03s (225/45, at 38F/41R). WOW!! I think I'm gonna love this setup. Nice twisty road up into the foothills; taking it a bit easy to properly break in the tires, but pushed a few corners enough to get some initial impressions. Reduction in body lean is very obvious. Lateral grip is is even more improved over the RE-92 squealers than I expected. Turn-in response is very quick, very solid. Under heavy and light throttle, the stock understeer.....essentially gone. Did not play much with trailing throttle in the middle of a significant turn, there being things you don't want to hit not far off the pavement. Did feather back a couple of times under moderate lateral load, and nothing vicious happened; nice neutral feeling.

Looking forward to Auto-X on the 23rd; figure I'll start w/ the bar up to the middle (23 mm) setting, probably kick the pressures a coouple of pounds.

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Old 09-12-2001, 03:51 PM   #8
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I just got my bar in the mail today, and yes it is slightly tweeked (for lack of a better word). I noticed that it didn't come with any grease for the bushings...Do I need to grease the bushings or not? Will the sway bar squeak without any grease on the bushings? I'd rather not have it be squeaky if at all possible. What do you recommend?

Also, 22mm is the lowest setting for the CUSCO bar? and then it goes up to 23mm, and then 24mm? Just want to double check before I put it on.
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Old 09-12-2001, 04:15 PM   #9
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I know that grease does help a lot (it just has to be easier for the bar to flex on the stiffer bushings). Cannot confirm that you will hear noises without grease.

I've put in 3 bars in so far.. all whiteline and they all came with grease.

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Old 09-12-2001, 05:09 PM   #10
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yeah, mine didnt come with grease either.. my last car, the aftermarket bar didnt have grease and it squeaked real bad. anyone here want to suggest a good grease product for this.. I've got some pure silicone grease, but i'd like to make sure I get the right stuff on there..

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Old 09-12-2001, 10:49 PM   #11
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I know that grease does help a lot (it just has to be easier for the bar to flex on the stiffer bushings). Cannot confirm that you will hear noises without grease.

I've put in 3 bars in so far.. all whiteline and they all came with grease.

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COOL!!! Glad I made a good choice

Is there any real difference between Cusco and Whiteline?


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Old 09-13-2001, 12:09 AM   #12
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I just put my rear sway bar on. The install wasn't very difficult, but it would have been a lot harder without http://www.northursalia.com/m.../rearsway.html .

I highly recommend putting the car up on ramps for this project as it makes things much easier; especially when you're trying to actually get the bar into place.

The only part I had trouble with was screwing in the passenger side u-bracket once I had the new sway bar in there. I ended up using a pair of pliers to hold the bracket closer to where it was mounted, while my friend screwed the bolt in. It was tough, but if you have a decent amount of forearm strength and don't mind the pain of squeezing the pliers really hard it shouldn't be that much of a problem. I think clamps or something similar would work too.

I ended up buying grease from Pep Boys. It came in a black container. I don't remember the brand, but it's the brand Pep-Boys stocks the most of. There was a little guide/booklet near the display and it said that the grease in the black container is the kind of grease you'd use for bushings (among other things). I'd give you the name, but I left the tub at my friend's house. It was only $2.49 for a 14oz tub, and I am confident that it is more than up to the task of keeping things squeak free.

Once we cleaned everything up and got the car off the ramps, we went for the test drive. It's hard to describe exactly how it differs from stock when you just give the wheel a little wiggle, but you can tell things are different (in a good way). Turn in is much improved and understeer seems pretty much gone, although I didn't get to really drive it through familar roads agressively, so I still have more research/learning to do.

It's pretty easy to get the tail out if you want it out, but it also is as easy to get it back under control (assuming you're at a reasonable speed).

Although I still haven't had a chance to fully explore the changes, at this point I am totally satisfied with it. To sum it up, it seems that the addition of the rear sway bar has 2 main effects: 1) it makes driving fun (read slow on the track) more enjoyable with an even more active tail and takes it to a new level. 2)increases the WRX's ability to drive fast on the track (or road)

OK, I've rambled enough. Feel free to ask any questions you may have.

Paul

BTW-I have the bar at the lowest setting (22mm I believe) and am riding on the stock RE-92's
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Old 09-13-2001, 12:12 AM   #13
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Good review. I've been thinking I need one of these for the next AutoX season. From whom did you order and how much did it cost?
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i just got my cusco bar today and ill probably be putting it on sometime this week.

seargent u can get it from bottle at titanmotorsports for 155 shipped.

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Thanks Joe, I appreciate the tip.
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I also got it from Bottle at Titat Motorsports, but it cost me $155 plus shipping...(407)977-9732
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I ordered my whiteline 20-24 from some website i cant remember the url now......rdm-racing or something like that, for 110$

damn, and you guys payed 155.... I also got Anti lift kit, and a couple of other things

local performance shop quoted me over a 1000$ for everything, i payed 450 shipped i think.

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alex, that alk is something to put in. be sure u have someone to help u.

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i think i can manage, all though you are more then welcome to come over and hold the car up for me while i put the ALK on

i cant wait for the parts to get here!!! stupid terrorists , interfearing with my subaru upgrades.

hopefuly by the end of the week i get my brushings for short sifter, and my TOYS!!!!



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I had trouble getting the little clamps to squeeze together too. I was alone, so I installed the bar on the front linkage but didn't tighten the bolts. I then took the jack and jacked it up against the clamps to squeeze 'em together. Worked like a charm.

Of course this wouldn't work with the car on ramps, but there was plenty of room with the car on the ground.
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I haven't seen any diff's between the cusco and the whiteline. The finish on the cusco's seem to be better. Both weigh pretty much the same (can't remember what it was).

I used the jack to push up the U-clamp and putting it on was easy after that. Don't put it on the u-clamp itself put it right next to where the bolt bolts in.

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