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Old 12-23-2005, 08:36 PM   #1
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Default Rally Drivers, did you pay $700 for your manufacturer's documentation?

I was looking around for options on how to present this to scrutineers. What's common practice? Quoting NASA's rule 3.2.4.4.e, "..to provide manufacturer's documentation such as sales brochures, workshop manuals, service bulletins, etc."

Well, the informational content of a sales brochure is worlds away from a shop manual. Are the scrutineers looking for immensely detailed FSMs, or will something else suffice? What do you guys use?

A cd rom of all the downloaded service manual files will need a laptop and is, from the threads I've read about it, a major PITA to do. On the other hand, the paper copies cost about $600-800 for a complete set....that's what my fire suit costs.

Thanks for the help.
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Old 12-23-2005, 09:47 PM   #2
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papers only needed for group n or production.
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Old 12-23-2005, 10:01 PM   #3
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I'll be running PGT/SS.
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Old 12-23-2005, 10:28 PM   #4
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Rally Stuff Manufacturers documentation

For RA the rule book states
"Shop Manual may be in traditional book format, or other
manufacturer supplied media. If supplied in other
formats, entrant must also supply device to read the
media."

You can buy the CD ROM on ebay for $10 and just bring a laptop (borrow one from a friend if you have to). Do they check it - yes but only once in the last 2 years and then they only checked to see that you have it - they didnt event boot up the disc.

I don't know where you read that it is a major PITA but it works perfectly for us. Everyone that I know who competed in Grp N and PGT in the RA series this year, including VT Sports Car, use electronic media since they don't want to schlep all of the books around.

I think that is the best solution. I can't speak for what NASA does.

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Old 12-24-2005, 09:21 AM   #5
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Chris,
Ask this question on Special Stage. Or since you mentioned NASA, ask on their forum site. Or better yet, send Wilson an e-mail. He is a pretty good guy about answering.
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Old 12-24-2005, 09:56 PM   #6
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I don't know where you read that it is a major PITA but it works perfectly for us. Everyone that I know who competed in Grp N and PGT in the RA series this year, including VT Sports Car, use electronic media since they don't want to schlep all of the books around.

I think that is the best solution.
I'll probably wind up going this way too. I don't know anything about the Ebay cds but I'm looking into it now.

For downloading, you pay $35 and have 72 hours to download as much as you want, but the catch is you can only download 20 files per hour. Also, the files are named numerically and not according to what part of the car they deal with. There's a thread on here someplace in that someone said they got 981 files for their car, the entire manual, and had to rename them all so he could find what he wanted in the folder directory.

NASA's forums seem to have about 5 people that visit them every other month. I've not had many questions answered there. Specialstage is good, but here I thought I'd have a better chance of getting answers from others who race a Subaru.
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Old 12-25-2005, 10:09 AM   #7
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Rally Stuff

Take a look at Ebay for "backup" CD's for the Subaru tech manuals.

Special Stage is the top resource without a doubt but if you want to get answers to specific Rally America questions go to
http://www.rally-america.com/forums/

Mike Hurst is the technical director and everyone on that forum is very responsive as a matter of fact he posts here on NASIOC occasionally as well.

Anymore quuestions feel free to contact me directly via PM

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Old 12-27-2005, 11:29 AM   #8
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This is what we did for our PGt entry too for RA. I think I paid $12 shipped from eBAY.
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Old 12-27-2005, 02:18 PM   #9
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well then i guess i'll jump for something like this

thanks guys.
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Old 12-27-2005, 06:14 PM   #10
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Carrying the manuals or CD is for your own protection against claims / protests. If someone protest you and puts up the fee and tear-down bond, then the you'll need this information to prove your defense of the claim...if you're legal.

Tear down / inspection requests from me are done without bond.

I don't care if the PGT competitors get together and share a copy of this, as long as you can produce it in a timely manner (hour?), so we can settle the matter and head for the bar.
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